Official Transaction Ideas thread

[Slava]

^Why do I have a feeling you never even watched Love play other than the Lakers games.

I still don;t get the analogy between toughness and rebounding. Is that an area where we are struggling right now? Absolutely not.

Is Kevin Love at 6'8 our answer to defense and toughness at PF? Seriously?

[Mastroberadino]

Would Bayless be a good fit here or shold we go after someone else?



Bayless/Bryant/Artest/Gasol/Bynum would be nice

[bigball123]

Simple yes or no will do. This is one of the few combinations of trades that would work.

Minnesota Trades:
Love
Flynn
Webster
Pekovic

L.A. Trades:
Gasol
Barnes
Ebanks

[H00PDREAMS]

I think he would be just as good as Blake maybe a bit better. A slam dunk would be someone like Raymond Felton.

[Mastroberadino]

I think he would be just as good as Blake maybe a bit better. A slam dunk would be someone like Raymond Felton.

I would love Felton, what about Artest and Blake and to help them out for helping us out we take on Harrington for Walton or Vujacic's TPE

[The Skyhook]

As good of a rebounder as Love seems to be I still would rather have Pau. Love is no better than Pau on defense.

[The_Trade_Seer]

^Why do I have a feeling you never even watched Love play other than the Lakers games.

I will repeat myself ...

In the 7 games Love played against the Spurs and Thunder, he averaged 24.6 points and 19.4 rebounds per game!!!!!!!!!!!! READ THAT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In the same 7 games pau played against the Thunder and Spurs he averaged 18.7 points and 8.7 rebounds!

I still don;t get the analogy between toughness and rebounding. Is that an area where we are struggling right now? Absolutely not.

Yes it absolutely is. The only reason no one mentions it is becuase Bynum just happens to be healthy at the moment however we all now Bynum is a 50% player and whenever he is out our biggest weakness is toughness and rebounding!

Is Kevin Love at 6'8 our answer to defense and toughness at PF? Seriously?

Um, YES where rebounding and toughness are concerned ... as for man defense ... Pau is nothing to write home about so I'd be fine with Love.

[The_Trade_Seer]

As good of a rebounder as Love seems to be I still would rather have Pau. Love is no better than Pau on defense.

You're right about defense but Love is a far superior rebounder, tougher and much, much, much younger. It would be a no-brainer trade.

[The_Trade_Seer]

Simple yes or no will do. This is one of the few combinations of trades that would work.

Minnesota Trades:
Love
Flynn
Webster
Pekovic

L.A. Trades:
Gasol
Barnes
Ebanks

YES, 100% YES, MOST DEFINITELY, ABSOLUTELY!

[Slava]

^Why do I have a feeling you never even watched Love play other than the Lakers games.

I will repeat myself ...

In the 7 games Love played against the Spurs and Thunder, he averaged 24.6 points and 19.4 rebounds per game!!!!!!!!!!!! READ THAT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In the same 7 games pau played against the Thunder and Spurs he averaged 18.7 points and 8.7 rebounds!

I still don;t get the analogy between toughness and rebounding. Is that an area where we are struggling right now? Absolutely not.

Yes it absolutely is. The only reason no one mentions it is becuase Bynum just happens to be healthy at the moment however we all now Bynum is a 50% player and whenever he is out our biggest weakness is toughness and rebounding!

Is Kevin Love at 6'8 our answer to defense and toughness at PF? Seriously?

Um, YES where rebounding and toughness are concerned ... as for man defense ... Pau is nothing to write home about so I'd be fine with Love.

First of all, don't type in red. Only moderators type in red. It doesn't make your point seem any better.

Secondly here are Love's front court partners:

Darko Milicic: 5.2 Rebs per game
Nikola Pekovic: 3 Rebs per game

Here are Pau Gasol's frontcourt partners:

Andrew Bynum: 9.4 rebs per game
Lamar Odom: 8.9 rebs per game

Kevin Love offensive rebounds: 4.5 per game
Pau Gasol offensive rebounds: 3.2 rebs per game

If Kevin Love can pull down 20 boards a game on this Lakers team, I accept the argument that he's totally an improvement over Pau Gasol.

Secondly 30% of Love's rebounds come on the offensive end, which I think is a true measure of a tenacious rebounder and compare that to Pau, 32% of his boards come on the offensive end. So is that the superiority in rebounding you are talking about?

Lastly I wonder why you take Thunder and Spurs as some sort of metric for rebounding against. When Spurs are ranked 12th in total rebounds Oklahoma is 8th.

In short, all things considered (youth, ability to spread the floor etc) I would take a Love for Gasol trade but if your entire argument is based on rebounding numbers I really don't know what else to say.

Edit:

Over the past 3 seasons Lakers are 4th, 1st and 3rd in total rebounding numbers and knowing what % of those games Bynum has played in, rebounding is certainly not our main issue.

[ALL HAIL]

Simple yes or no will do. This is one of the few combinations of trades that would work.

Minnesota Trades:
Love
Flynn
Webster
Pekovic

L.A. Trades:
Gasol
Barnes
Ebanks

YES, 100% YES, MOST DEFINITELY, ABSOLUTELY!

This is how it would look if the number two pick is not involved.

But who do they draft if they keep the pick? Kanter is the only guy that makes any sense. Williams, Irving, and Knight don't fit.

If Minny were to dump Love and keep the pick it would have to be for Kanter.

If they got Gasol and kept the pick for Williams or Irving or Knight, they're idiots.

I don't think they're idiots. That's why, unless they know something about Kanter that I don't know, I think they would rather keep Love and acquire Gasol to play alongside him.

I think they'd rather give up the pick than give up Love (again unless they see something special in Kanter or like how Kanter would fit next to Gasol better).

[The_Trade_Seer]

First of all, don't type in red. Only moderators type in red. It doesn't make your point seem any better.

Really? Is that a rule or something? Seems strange.

Secondly here are Love's front court partners:

Darko Milicic: 5.2 Rebs per game
Nikola Pekovic: 3 Rebs per game

Here are Pau Gasol's frontcourt partners:

Andrew Bynum: 9.4 rebs per game
Lamar Odom: 8.9 rebs per game

Dude, no matter how many silly stats you through out you will never be able to prove Gasol is even close to the rebounder Love is, stop trying. The T'Wolves averaged 44.4 rebounds per game and the Lakers 44.0 ... Love averaged 15.2 and Pau 10.2 ... it's not even close.

Kevin Love offensive rebounds: 4.5 per game
Pau Gasol offensive rebounds: 3.2 rebs per game

Um, your stat shows Kevin Love is 41% more proficient as Pau at offensive rebounding ... are you trying to prove my point for me?

If Kevin Love can pull down 20 boards a game on this Lakers team, I accept the argument that he's totally an improvement over Pau Gasol.

Um ... he'd only have to pull down 10.3 to be an improvement over Pau ... I imagine he'd average 13-14 though.

Secondly 30% of Love's rebounds come on the offensive end, which I think is a true measure of a tenacious rebounder and compare that to Pau, 32% of his boards come on the offensive end. So is that the superiority in rebounding you are talking about?

That's a cute, completely useless stat, especially when it's a fact that Love was 41% more proficient an offensive rebounder than Pau!

You do realize that Pau's measley 32% pales in comparison to BOTH Darko Millicic's 37% and especially Nikola Pekovic's insane 47%, the two guys you make fun of?

Don't try using out of context and silly stats with me dude, I'll make you look like a goof.

Lastly I wonder why you take Thunder and Spurs as some sort of metric for rebounding against. When Spurs are ranked 12th in total rebounds Oklahoma is 8th.

Stop being a dork ... you made fun of Love's rebounding numbers against teams like the Knicks and Warriors and said he never did it against Elite teams ... the Thunder and Spurs are about as elite as teams get and he dominated them.

The T'Wolves were thee elite rebounding team in the NBA last year and that with Kevin Love and a bunch of guys you say suck as rebounders and make fun of .. all the more reason to believe in K-Love's game.

By the way, the second most elite NBA team in rebounds was the Bulls ... in the 2 games Love played against the Bulls he racked up 24 rebounds in just under 59 minutes of game time ... that's 16.3 boards per 40 mins!!!!!!! You just have no clue what you're talking about dude.

In short, all things considered (youth, ability to spread the floor etc) I would take a Love for Gasol trade

You agree with me? After all this nonsense and silly stats, you agree with me? Oh my goodness, dude stop while you're ahead.

but if your entire argument is based on rebounding numbers I really don't know what else to say.

Please my man, please, you've said more than enough already.

Over the past 3 seasons Lakers are 4th, 1st and 3rd in total rebounding numbers and knowing what % of those games Bynum has played in, rebounding is certainly not our main issue.

I agree that it's not our main issue though I do think rebounding and toughness are an issue when Bynum is out ... our main issue is the PG spot without any doubt.

[The_Trade_Seer]

This is how it would look if the number two pick is not involved.

But who do they draft if they keep the pick? Kanter is the only guy that makes any sense. Williams, Irving, and Knight don't fit.

I'm not sure why you say Irving, Knight and Williams don't fit. Irving and Knight would both start and drafting one of them would allow us to trade Flynn if we wanted, no harm, no foul. Williams is a vast improvement over Artest in the long-run and could play a little PF as well. I see no reason why we would have to draft Kanter whatsoever.

If Minny were to dump Love and keep the pick it would have to be for Kanter.

No they would not. They could easily draft Williams and sign Marc Gasol as well ... they would even be able to use Beasley as trade bait to land a better starting SG if they wanted this way.

If they got Gasol and kept the pick for Williams or Irving or Knight, they're idiots.

Why?

I don't think they're idiots. That's why, unless they know something about Kanter that I don't know, I think they would rather keep Love and acquire Gasol to play alongside him.

Pau and Love would form a pretty bad defensive duo. They would be offensively potent and a great rebounding duo, but they would have trouble stopping other front courts from scoring.

I think they'd rather give up the pick than give up Love (again unless they see something special in Kanter or like how Kanter would fit next to Gasol better).

I would agree but say "unless they know what the rest of the NBA knows, namely that Kevin Love will NEVER sign a long-term extension with frozen Sota.

[guille_4]

Dont you think that if the Lakers are going to play anything similar to the Triangle Offense, Steph Curry would be the perfect PG? He is an extremely good shooter, excellent 3pt shooter, is quick like a cat and although not being a true PG makes the correct decisions.

Out: Lamar Odom

In: Steph Curry

[The_Trade_Seer]

^ Beieve me, the Lakers would bend over backwards to do the above deal, but the Warriors are building around Steph and anything short of Kobe or Bynum is not going to land him.

[ALL HAIL]

Simple yes or no will do. This is one of the few combinations of trades that would work.

Minnesota Trades:
Love
Flynn
Webster
Pekovic

L.A. Trades:
Gasol
Barnes
Ebanks

YES, 100% YES, MOST DEFINITELY, ABSOLUTELY!

This is how it would look if the number two pick is not involved.

But who do they draft if they keep the pick? Kanter is the only guy that makes any sense. Williams, Irving, and Knight don't fit.

If Minny were to dump Love and keep the pick it would have to be for Kanter.

If they got Gasol and kept the pick for Williams or Irving or Knight, they're idiots.

I don't think they're idiots. That's why, unless they know something about Kanter that I don't know, I think they would rather keep Love and acquire Gasol to play alongside him.

I think they'd rather give up the pick than give up Love (again unless they see something special in Kanter or like how Kanter would fit next to Gasol better).

The antecedant of they is The Minnesota Timberwolves. This is in response to anyone who thinks that Love would be included in a ANY deal ... he won't.

If it were to happen(Gasol to Minny) it would be all about the second pick folks. The Lakers would have reasoned that a deal involving Irving, Milicic, and Randolph is worth more to them than Gasol ...

[The_Trade_Seer]

And THEY would have reasoned correctly

[Doormatt]

Dont you think that if the Lakers are going to play anything similar to the Triangle Offense, Steph Curry would be the perfect PG? He is an extremely good shooter, excellent 3pt shooter, is quick like a cat and although not being a true PG makes the correct decisions.

Out: Lamar Odom

In: Steph Curry

This is a terrible, terrible trade for the Warriors.

Do you guys just not think about whether or not the other team would make the deal? Odom is only useful to a contending team like Atlanta, Chicago, Orlando, etc.. The warriors can't even make the playoffs, and trading their starting combo/PG for a 30+ year old forward, who can't play center, isn't the direction their looking to go in.

[EnigmaticProblem]

Know who I think would be great for us, off the bench? Vincent Lamar Carter. Off the bench, he could definitely provide a great scoring punch, no? Say we can pick up Battier, Pryzbilla/Gadzuric, and Carter, in the off season. . . The Lakers become a fairly deep team, again.

PG: Fisher/Blake
SG: Kobe/Carter
SF: Artest/Battier
PF: Gasol/Odom
C: Bynum/Gadzuric or Pryzbilla

Not too shabby, eh? Looks fairly ancient, though. lol..

[Jajwanda]

Honestly the biggest thing the team needs are shooters that can defend fairly well. Those aren't that hard to find.

Watching highlights of the Spurs in the early decade and they all revolve around post-play, lots and lots of it with two shooters on the wing that can flat out knock it down. Kobe's 3 point percentage might not be great but with an open shot I'd hate to give him an open 3 at any time.

Artest though is a problem. There's a reason they want a Crawford or a Smith.
Expect Barnes-Artest to be looked at as serious prospects for a possible trade out of L.A. and for Tayshaun Prince to be a guy high on their radar. Steve Blake on the other hand will be alright.

MLE- Prince
BAE- Jeff Foster
Draft- Norris Cole, E'Twaun Moore