2015 Lakers Trade Deadline thread

[DEEP3CL]

Fellas stay patient...every trade isn't always the move to make. Like Downtown stated most of these deals are rentals at best. I was rolling hard all day at every announced trade, all these were for the most part was salary dumps and beef ups for the stretch run. If anything it starts to paint the picture of guys on that 2nd tier level the Lakers could actually consider.

Only Miami and Detroit got guys they could actually keep long term, and down the road it's gonna hurt the Heat to lock Dragic up at $100 mil with a declining Wade and Bosh in 5 years.

But the rest of the moves raises some thoughts...you think Portland can afford to sign Aldridge, Matthews and Afflalo to max and near max deal ? Also Afflalo isn't a full time bench player, he may accept the role now because he's in a playoff run but him and Wes Matthews are the same player.

Bottom line is most of these guys will be on different teams next season or in a few seasons down the road. I'm not tripping off none of these guys....none are franchise changing players.

[Pointgod]

Oh surprised. Another trade deadline where management did nothing again. How many passes are you guys going to give them? How idiotic is it to have a team full of expiring assets and just let them walk. Expect more of the same in free agency, no one is touching this wreck with a ten foot pole. If you guys think we can turn a lottery team to a playoff off team in one off season then you're on crack. Hope the Sixers enjoy their lottery pick next year!

[mcscotty]

Oh surprised. Another trade deadline where management did nothing again. How many passes are you guys going to give them? How idiotic is it to have a team full of expiring assets and just let them walk. Expect more of the same in free agency, no one is touching this wreck with a ten foot pole. If you guys think we can turn a lottery team to a playoff off team in one off season then you're on crack. Hope the Sixers enjoy their lottery pick next year!

Nothing of true significance is going anywhere. The real fun starts this summer. If we win big, we're right back in the playoffs.

[Kilroy]

Not a single trade that happened this deadline really excites me... It was a lot of movement but not a lot of action... Like a shell game.
I am interested to see how OKC turns out though. That seemed like a relatively large gamble on their part.

[LApwnd]

im not mad at mgmt for not giving up assets to make trades...im mad at them for not getting assets for some of the players we had, few of them could have been beneficial to playoff teams.

[ALL HAIL]

im not mad at mgmt for not giving up assets to make trades...im mad at them for not getting assets for some of the players we had, few of them could have been beneficial to playoff teams.

Who?

[LApwnd]

im not mad at mgmt for not giving up assets to make trades...im mad at them for not getting assets for some of the players we had, few of them could have been beneficial to playoff teams.

Who?

kj McDaniel got a 2nd picks he hasnt done much of anything yet and is due for good payday this off season.....come now davis, wes, hill couldnt net us a 2nd rd pick?

[aaron_gray]

Can we call out all the writers who said that there was high interest around the league for Jordan Hill?

[laduane1]

If the Lakers win a few games, they will loose the pick. It is so close, they need to loose almost 20 out of 29 to keep it. They need twolves and knicks to win and hope 76ers get hot. We need to make sure the pick is #1 or #2 to have it. Lakers have a easy schedule, that is not good. Lets hope a few more players have ""Injuries"" and have to sit out a few games. Keep changing the starting line ups to get all the young players to get some mintues to make sure they do not win.

[ArC_man]

Oh surprised. Another trade deadline where management did nothing again. How many passes are you guys going to give them? How idiotic is it to have a team full of expiring assets and just let them walk. Expect more of the same in free agency, no one is touching this wreck with a ten foot pole. If you guys think we can turn a lottery team to a playoff off team in one off season then you're on crack. Hope the Sixers enjoy their lottery pick next year!

Who's an asset on this team other than Clarkson/Randle? No one pays for garbage, you gotta pay to get your garbage removed.

[Pointgod]

Oh surprised. Another trade deadline where management did nothing again. How many passes are you guys going to give them? How idiotic is it to have a team full of expiring assets and just let them walk. Expect more of the same in free agency, no one is touching this wreck with a ten foot pole. If you guys think we can turn a lottery team to a playoff off team in one off season then you're on crack. Hope the Sixers enjoy their lottery pick next year!

Who's an asset on this team other than Clarkson/Randle? No one pays for garbage, you gotta pay to get your garbage removed.

Lol if that's the case aren't you concerned with the fact that the front office has loaded this team with garbage then? People need to stop making excuses. Hill, Young, Wes, Davis and even Lin to a certain degree can at the worst get you a 2nd round pick.

[ArC_man]

Oh surprised. Another trade deadline where management did nothing again. How many passes are you guys going to give them? How idiotic is it to have a team full of expiring assets and just let them walk. Expect more of the same in free agency, no one is touching this wreck with a ten foot pole. If you guys think we can turn a lottery team to a playoff off team in one off season then you're on crack. Hope the Sixers enjoy their lottery pick next year!

Who's an asset on this team other than Clarkson/Randle? No one pays for garbage, you gotta pay to get your garbage removed.

Lol if that's the case aren't you concerned with the fact that the front office has loaded this team with garbage then? People need to stop making excuses. Hill, Young, Wes, Davis and even Lin to a certain degree can at the worst get you a 2nd round pick.

I'm glad the team is full of garbage because we need to be terrible to keep the our pick. Aren't you happy the FO doesn't want to be mediocre like the Suns?

[LApwnd]

Who's an asset on this team other than Clarkson/Randle? No one pays for garbage, you gotta pay to get your garbage removed.

Lol if that's the case aren't you concerned with the fact that the front office has loaded this team with garbage then? People need to stop making excuses. Hill, Young, Wes, Davis and even Lin to a certain degree can at the worst get you a 2nd round pick.

I'm glad the team is full of garbage because we need to be terrible to keep the our pick. Aren't you happy the FO doesn't want to be mediocre like the Suns?

that's not what he's saying, the garbage we had could've gone for at least some 2nds making us even that much worse ala Phi. They have like 1 legit NBA player and that's Noel, the rest of that team are bunch of dleague talent who probably wouldn't make any other nba roster.

[ArC_man]

Lol if that's the case aren't you concerned with the fact that the front office has loaded this team with garbage then? People need to stop making excuses. Hill, Young, Wes, Davis and even Lin to a certain degree can at the worst get you a 2nd round pick.

I'm glad the team is full of garbage because we need to be terrible to keep the our pick. Aren't you happy the FO doesn't want to be mediocre like the Suns?

that's not what he's saying, the garbage we had could've gone for at least some 2nds making us even that much worse ala Phi. They have like 1 legit NBA player and that's Noel, the rest of that team are bunch of dleague talent who probably wouldn't make any other nba roster.

The difference is that Philly's NBA players are assets because of their age and/or contracts. If we break down our team, we have at best 1 asset (not including Randle/Clarkson). Lin and Price are negative assets you'd have to pay people to get rid of. Boozer would be worth something but he can't be traded. Hill was a trade piece except his contract is huge and idiot also got himself injured (you can bet the FO was trying to trade him for anything but probably no one ponied up a pick). Davis probably could net a 2nd rounder, but I suspect we will try to keep him around in the offseason (same with Young).

Sacre/Kelly/Black may net a 2nd rounder but those are just lateral moves at best. We spend 2+ years developing a 2nd rounder to be an NBA player and we're going to offload them so we can pick up new 2nd rounders that we need to develop for 2+ years again? Makes no sense to do that because it's not like they're going to win us games. Guys like Wes and Ellington are just fillers and not worth anything.

What needs to happen now is we need to waive Boozer. It'll give him a chance to go chase a ring and will free us from our most consistent offensive force (we can then move Kelly back to PF where he belongs). If we waive Boozer and limit Young's minutes so he can't single handedly win us games, I can easily see us losing out the rest of the way.

[TyCobb]

I'm glad the team is full of garbage because we need to be terrible to keep the our pick. Aren't you happy the FO doesn't want to be mediocre like the Suns?

that's not what he's saying, the garbage we had could've gone for at least some 2nds making us even that much worse ala Phi. They have like 1 legit NBA player and that's Noel, the rest of that team are bunch of dleague talent who probably wouldn't make any other nba roster.

The difference is that Philly's NBA players are assets because of their age and/or contracts. If we break down our team, we have at best 1 asset (not including Randle/Clarkson). Lin and Price are negative assets you'd have to pay people to get rid of. Boozer would be worth something but he can't be traded. Hill was a trade piece except his contract is huge and idiot also got himself injured (you can bet the FO was trying to trade him for anything but probably no one ponied up a pick). Davis probably could net a 2nd rounder, but I suspect we will try to keep him around in the offseason (same with Young).

Sacre/Kelly/Black may net a 2nd rounder but those are just lateral moves at best. We spend 2+ years developing a 2nd rounder to be an NBA player and we're going to offload them so we can pick up new 2nd rounders that we need to develop for 2+ years again? Makes no sense to do that because it's not like they're going to win us games. Guys like Wes and Ellington are just fillers and not worth anything.

What needs to happen now is we need to waive Boozer. It'll give him a chance to go chase a ring and will free us from our most consistent offensive force (we can then move Kelly back to PF where he belongs). If we waive Boozer and limit Young's minutes so he can't single handedly win us games, I can easily see us losing out the rest of the way.

I can't remember a bad post by you.

[kblo247]

You telling me we couldn't even invest in Plumpee who is a cheap Mihm like player and honestly better than any draftee or Ed Davis? The only saving grace is that Javale Mcgee may be bought out. If he is, we need to make an offer for an athletic center. There isn't one draftee who can help us. Okafor is slow and plodding on D, has Baby fat, and won't play more than 25 mins or 60 nba games in his physical shape. Towns is worse off than that because he can't even average double digit point consistently and while he has some instincts, he has a lot of mental checkout moments. And stein has a health concern, all the intensity in the world, but is less polished than most on o, kinda like Deandre Jordan lite.

The most depressing part of this deadline was it was clear this team has no plan. There is none. Lets not overlook or sugarcoat, you can all get mad at me for saying it, but I'm right. Just like how all of you got mad at me for saying the Nash trade was garbage after it was done unless if Nash wanted to be an uber Steve Kerr. Guess what, I was right then too. Like with saying Brown was better coach than Scott this summer too. Letting Pau go for nothing and not even getting any second rounders back when Prigioni was good for two was hard to swallow. This is a debacle.

In the nba it is better to be mediocre than awful. Being awful doesn't help us. The Cavs weren't awful when they got Bron, simply mediocre by east standards. The fact is any free agent worth a damn, not Love as he isn't worth what he wants especially the max, will join this team with its bad coaching and lack of direction and assets. You need some B guys that are actual investments. You can't have a D guy like Wes and Ed to tell a free agent come in, or pay 15mil for a pick to a C guy like Lin. You have to go out and invest in the B guys like Dragic, Deandre, Rondo, Monroe, etc and it has to be investing in two B guys with a bunch of C and few D guys to support them to get a meeting with Bron. Don't get it twisted, I wasn't ranting, I was being honest yesterday, and honestly the only reason we got a meeting with an A guy in Melo last year was as Stephen a Smith said, Melo did it because another A guy in Kobe asked.

This really doesn't help us long term to waste our time on a fifth pick or purposely trying to lose. So yes I'm going to be disagreed with when I say it, like I documented before I was disagreed with about Nash and coachi, but I hope Hill, Booz, and Nick blow the tank up and beat Phili those two games. I rather not waste time on potential or guys who aren't close to NBDL level fitness, let alone nba fitness. I want to invest in 2-3 B guys with all our cap space and actual commitment to those guys with multiple years, and then offer the room to a C. We need two of Rondo, Monroe, Matthews, Tobias, Deandre, Dragic and so on as we have no shot, and deserve no shot at a meeting with Marc or Aldeidge this summer. Then we still need to get a Gerald Green or Kosta Kufos with the room as opposed to wasting time on Ed and Wes who aren't full time rotation guys.

Sig it, quote it, be mad whatever, I'm just being honest, and saying we don't have a plan or assets and we can't do what we did last year

[ALL HAIL]

You telling me we couldn't even invest in Plumpee who is a cheap Mihm like player and honestly better than any draftee or Ed Davis? The only saving grace is that Javale Mcgee may be bought out. If he is, we need to make an offer for an athletic center. There isn't one draftee who can help us. Okafor is slow and plodding on D, has Baby fat, and won't play more than 25 mins or 60 nba games in his physical shape. Towns is worse off than that because he can't even average double digit point consistently and while he has some instincts, he has a lot of mental checkout moments. And stein has a health concern, all the intensity in the world, but is less polished than most on o, kinda like Deandre Jordan lite.

The most depressing part of this deadline was it was clear this team has no plan. There is none. Lets not overlook or sugarcoat, you can all get mad at me for saying it, but I'm right. Just like how all of you got mad at me for saying the Nash trade was garbage after it was done unless if Nash wanted to be an uber Steve Kerr. Guess what, I was right then too. Like with saying Brown was better coach than Scott this summer too. Letting Pau go for nothing and not even getting any second rounders back when Prigioni was good for two was hard to swallow. This is a debacle.

In the nba it is better to be mediocre than awful. Being awful doesn't help us. The Cavs weren't awful when they got Bron, simply mediocre by east standards. The fact is any free agent worth a damn, not Love as he isn't worth what he wants especially the max, will join this team with its bad coaching and lack of direction and assets. You need some B guys that are actual investments. You can't have a D guy like Wes and Ed to tell a free agent come in, or pay 15mil for a pick to a C guy like Lin. You have to go out and invest in the B guys like Dragic, Deandre, Rondo, Monroe, etc and it has to be investing in two B guys with a bunch of C and few D guys to support them to get a meeting with Bron. Don't get it twisted, I wasn't ranting, I was being honest yesterday, and honestly the only reason we got a meeting with an A guy in Melo last year was as Stephen a Smith said, Melo did it because another A guy in Kobe asked.

This really doesn't help us long term to waste our time on a fifth pick or purposely trying to lose. So yes I'm going to be disagreed with when I say it, like I documented before I was disagreed with about Nash and coachi, but I hope Hill, Booz, and Nick blow the tank up and beat Phili those two games. I rather not waste time on potential or guys who aren't close to NBDL level fitness, let alone nba fitness. I want to invest in 2-3 B guys with all our cap space and actual commitment to those guys with multiple years, and then offer the room to a C. We need two of Rondo, Monroe, Matthews, Tobias, Deandre, Dragic and so on as we have no shot, and deserve no shot at a meeting with Marc or Aldeidge this summer. Then we still need to get a Gerald Green or Kosta Kufos with the room as opposed to wasting time on Ed and Wes who aren't full time rotation guys.

Sig it, quote it, be mad whatever, I'm just being honest, and saying we don't have a plan or assets and we can't do what we did last year

I agree with some, disagree with the other stuff, but I dig the "intelligent passion" though my man.

Reading stuff like this is why I frequent this place. Your ideas are big, bold, and iconoclastic, but you back them up with analysis and logic.

Only a handful of guys here can properly digest the message dude. Let them be mad if they choose to.

[ALL HAIL]

So who do you think should've been flipped? I'm curious.

[ALL HAIL]

im not mad at mgmt for not giving up assets to make trades...im mad at them for not getting assets for some of the players we had, few of them could have been beneficial to playoff teams.

Who?

kj McDaniel got a 2nd picks he hasnt done much of anything yet and is due for good payday this off season.....come now davis, wes, hill couldnt net us a 2nd rd pick?

I'll give you Davis, he could've been sold for a pick, yes, but like ARC said, maybe they want to leave the door open for his return as a backup C or PF. That is quite reasonable to me.

Hill had to agree to any trade I believe and if you do trade him for second round picks, who is your center for next year?

No one wants Johnson.

So I agree that Hill and Davis conceivably could've been traded for picks, but both of those guys could still be serviceable bugs on a good team.

Usually I'm more of a fan of making moves, but right now, the best thing to do was to fall back unless they could somehow land a talented big man (more talented than Hil) who could successfully play in front of the draft pick-- a guy like Brook Lopez.

From everything I read, if they had another hour or so, Lopez could've been sent her. I would've been fine with that.

[aaron_gray]

The difference is that Philly's NBA players are assets because of their age and/or contracts. If we break down our team, we have at best 1 asset (not including Randle/Clarkson). Lin and Price are negative assets you'd have to pay people to get rid of. Boozer would be worth something but he can't be traded. Hill was a trade piece except his contract is huge and idiot also got himself injured (you can bet the FO was trying to trade him for anything but probably no one ponied up a pick). Davis probably could net a 2nd rounder, but I suspect we will try to keep him around in the offseason (same with Young).

Sacre/Kelly/Black may net a 2nd rounder but those are just lateral moves at best. We spend 2+ years developing a 2nd rounder to be an NBA player and we're going to offload them so we can pick up new 2nd rounders that we need to develop for 2+ years again? Makes no sense to do that because it's not like they're going to win us games. Guys like Wes and Ellington are just fillers and not worth anything.

What needs to happen now is we need to waive Boozer. It'll give him a chance to go chase a ring and will free us from our most consistent offensive force (we can then move Kelly back to PF where he belongs). If we waive Boozer and limit Young's minutes so he can't single handedly win us games, I can easily see us losing out the rest of the way.

Actually Wesley Johnson and Wayne Ellington were both players with value on very tradable contracts. I think that's whom he was referring to. Considering the wing is the most shallow position in the nba, plenty of playoff teams could've used him. Both provide shooting and some defense. With Wes, you get more length while Weezy gives you more ball handling and creativity. Portland wanted Afflalo and they got him, but they could've had Wayne Ellington for a 2nd. Ditto for Chicago, Detroit and Charlotte.