2015 Lakers Trade Deadline thread

leeprettyp · Post #141 » by **leeprettyp** » Wed May 28, 2014 3:22 pm

If Jones and a pick comes with them I'm ok with it. We need to start gathering some assets here. Maybe that additional pick would be whats needed to offer for Kyrie Irving. The #7pick and an additional future 1st rounder maybe more enticing to Cleveland. Asik and Lin are definitely serviceable players. A Hill +Asik frontcourt is definitely better rim protectors than what we have now. I'm a terrance Jones fan and he'd be a good rotational piece

LApwnd · Post #142 » by **LApwnd** » Wed May 28, 2014 3:26 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
Why not trade Kobe to NY for Melo? Give you a younger piece to work with and Phil and Kobe rejoin one another.

that makes nobody better and makes both organization look bad...NY for taking on an old Kobe making more money than Melo and having Melo doesn't do anything for us, we would be just like the Knicks of last season. As for Gordon it would take him quite some time if he does even become a "star" PF and you guys will have issues with the Morris twins developement.

jcsunsfan · Post #143 » by **jcsunsfan** » Wed May 28, 2014 3:33 pm

LApwnd wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:
Why not trade Kobe to NY for Melo? Give you a younger piece to work with and Phil and Kobe rejoin one another.

that makes nobody better and makes both organization look bad...NY for taking on an old Kobe making more money than Melo and having Melo doesn't do anything for us, we would be just like the Knicks of last season. As for Gordon it would take him quite some time if he does even become a "star" PF and you guys will have issues with the Morris twins developement.

Except that you would have the flexibility the the Knicks don't have to put some very good complementary pieces around Melo like: the number 7 pick (Smart, Vonleh, Exum, Gordon), free agency (Kyle Lowry, Louol Deng, Marcin Gortat, Zach Randolph). Melo could be a good core piece as long as everything is built around him. Oh well. Just a thought.

LApwnd · Post #144 » by **LApwnd** » Wed May 28, 2014 3:39 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
LApwnd wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:
Why not trade Kobe to NY for Melo? Give you a younger piece to work with and Phil and Kobe rejoin one another.

that makes nobody better and makes both organization look bad...NY for taking on an old Kobe making more money than Melo and having Melo doesn't do anything for us, we would be just like the Knicks of last season. As for Gordon it would take him quite some time if he does even become a "star" PF and you guys will have issues with the Morris twins developement.

Except that you would have the flexibility the the Knicks don't have to put some very good complementary pieces around Melo like: the number 7 pick (Smart, Vonleh, Exum, Gordon), free agency (Kyle Lowry, Louol Deng, Marcin Gortat, Zach Randolph). Melo could be a good core piece as long as everything is built around him. Oh well. Just a thought.

guess diff. in opinion, I dont want to build around a black hole like Melo. Kobe is a ball hog but he is not a black hole, he can and has made his teammates better. Kobe iso leads to open teammates, Melo iso leads to contested jumpshots with 2-3 defenders in his way. As I posted before, during Den/LAL WCF, there was an interview with Karl about what he wanted Melo to post certain #'s before he could go into chuck mode, which was a certaint amt of rebs, assit, points in the paint....what kind of star player has to be told by his coach to do the little things as team player 1st before he can go off and start shooting? I'm sure past NY coaches didn't have the balls to force Melo to do those team like things 1st before he goes all chuck mode. That NY team from last season had arguably much better talent on paper than we did and they couldn't even make the playoffs in the crappy east.

NBAWestFan · Post #145 » by **NBAWestFan** » Wed May 28, 2014 3:42 pm

I would taken Lin for sure. I wouldn't take Asik as I did not like what I saw from him
in the Portland series. He looks weak on defense and out of shape.

Jones I do not know enough about

lakersin4 · Post #146 » by **lakersin4** » Wed May 28, 2014 3:54 pm

Even if they don't include Jones I'm good with it as long as we get a pick, of course both would be great.. #25 isn't a great spot but we could grab Napier or Payton here if we missed out on Smart, but I'm really hoping we don't miss out on Smart at 7, & with Smart/Lin we likely go after a wing or big at 25. I like Asik because we'd have an inside track at re-signing him if we need to put a defensive anchor next to Love or Aldridge. I like Lin because he has decent height & has been able to play the 2 some & I think another combo guard is the ideal guard next to Smart. Also, taking on Lin + Asik doesn't quite eat up all of our cap space, so we could still retain Young or even Hill if he's cheap enough. Probably just Young though. That team has the talent to make the playoffs this season & sets us up great for 2015 FA.

One Love · Post #147 » by **One Love** » Wed May 28, 2014 3:54 pm

Not 100% sold on Lin (4 assists a game) but I do like Asik & the plan does accommodate our game plan moving forward but I do think there are better deals...

Post #148 » by **Kilroy** » Wed May 28, 2014 3:57 pm

NBAWestFan wrote:I would taken Lin for sure. I wouldn't take Asik as I did not like what I saw from him
in the Portland series. He looks weak on defense and out of shape.

Jones I do not know enough about

To be fair though Asik went from being their guy down low for the foresee-able future, to a guy without a distinct role after the Howard signing... That's probably not the best recipe for motivation.

I'm not terribly high on Lin but he's better that a lot of guys and better than what we have now... I'd start him over Farmar at least... But Asik I think could be an under rated addition to the team.

But I agree that Morey is probably looking to bend someone over for either of them... Probably a deal that will have to wait until he gets a greater sense of urgency.

LApwnd · Post #149 » by **LApwnd** » Wed May 28, 2014 4:09 pm

aaron_gray wrote:
TyCobb wrote:I'll pass. I'm not a fan of helping Houston build a dynasty.

A dynasty with Coward and Welo? Is that possible?

they just need a better coach, we had 4 allstars (jones, van exel, kobe, shqq) at one point and Utah made them look like dleaguers.

Post #150 » by **Kilroy** » Wed May 28, 2014 4:11 pm

LApwnd wrote:
aaron_gray wrote:
TyCobb wrote:I'll pass. I'm not a fan of helping Houston build a dynasty.

A dynasty with Coward and Welo? Is that possible?

they just need a better coach, we had 4 allstars (jones, van exel, kobe, shqq) at one point and Utah made them look like dleaguers.

I think Ty's talking more about giving Houston flexibility to add to their core.

LApwnd · Post #151 » by **LApwnd** » Wed May 28, 2014 4:12 pm

Lin is a system player, he needs to dominate the ball to put up good stats that is why he can't play next to Harden, so how is he gona play next to Kobe? Kobe barely gave up his reign to Nash who is a future HOF PG, Kobe isn't give a Lin the time of day, Lin will be used for corner 3's and spot up shooting with occasional big games like he is now when paired with Harden. But with that said, if Hou is willing to give picks and Jones I'm fine with helping them get Melo, Melo/Harden/Howard then Hou will have to pay up the arse when Parson comes up for ext. They're gona be able to afford that team for long.

jcsunsfan · Post #152 » by **jcsunsfan** » Wed May 28, 2014 4:13 pm

LApwnd wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:
LApwnd wrote:
that makes nobody better and makes both organization look bad...NY for taking on an old Kobe making more money than Melo and having Melo doesn't do anything for us, we would be just like the Knicks of last season. As for Gordon it would take him quite some time if he does even become a "star" PF and you guys will have issues with the Morris twins developement.

Except that you would have the flexibility the the Knicks don't have to put some very good complementary pieces around Melo like: the number 7 pick (Smart, Vonleh, Exum, Gordon), free agency (Kyle Lowry, Louol Deng, Marcin Gortat, Zach Randolph). Melo could be a good core piece as long as everything is built around him. Oh well. Just a thought.

guess diff. in opinion, I dont want to build around a black hole like Melo. Kobe is a ball hog but he is not a black hole, he can and has made his teammates better. Kobe iso leads to open teammates, Melo iso leads to contested jumpshots with 2-3 defenders in his way. As I posted before, during Den/LAL WCF, there was an interview with Karl about what he wanted Melo to post certain #'s before he could go into chuck mode, which was a certaint amt of rebs, assit, points in the paint....what kind of star player has to be told by his coach to do the little things as team player 1st before he can go off and start shooting? I'm sure past NY coaches didn't have the balls to force Melo to do those team like things 1st before he goes all chuck mode. That NY team from last season had arguably much better talent on paper than we did and they couldn't even make the playoffs in the crappy east.

All things being equal, I would want to have Kobe too. And yes, Melo has been a black hole. I do think he is probably to the point in his career where he recognizes the need for teammates to be effective. Also, I am not sure you are ever going to get that Kobe back because of age and injuries. But I certainly see your point.
I would say good luck, but you are the Lakers.

LApwnd · Post #153 » by **LApwnd** » Wed May 28, 2014 4:15 pm

Kilroy wrote:
LApwnd wrote:
aaron_gray wrote:
A dynasty with Coward and Welo? Is that possible?

they just need a better coach, we had 4 allstars (jones, van exel, kobe, shqq) at one point and Utah made them look like dleaguers.

I think Ty's talking more about giving Houston flexibility to add to their core.

Hou wont be able to add anything with 3 MAX players on contract and then Parson is due for ext. after next season. He isn't giving any home town discount seeing as how it would be his big payday and he might not even want to stay as he wont even be the 3rd guy now on the todem pole, I could see his stats declining with addition of Melo further reducing his payday.

ArC_man · Post #154 » by **ArC_man** » Wed May 28, 2014 4:34 pm

I'd do it, the only way we can possibly get assets from Houston is if we take Lin.

lakersin4 · Post #155 » by **lakersin4** » Wed May 28, 2014 5:30 pm

LApwnd wrote:Lin is a system player, he needs to dominate the ball to put up good stats that is why he can't play next to Harden, so how is he gona play next to Kobe? Kobe barely gave up his reign to Nash who is a future HOF PG, Kobe isn't give a Lin the time of day, Lin will be used for corner 3's and spot up shooting with occasional big games like he is now when paired with Harden. But with that said, if Hou is willing to give picks and Jones I'm fine with helping them get Melo, Melo/Harden/Howard then Hou will have to pay up the arse when Parson comes up for ext. They're gona be able to afford that team for long.

I don't think it's a big deal because Lin's only under contract for 1 season. I don't see him as part of our long term plans.. He's good enough to help us be a playoff team next season... After that I think Lin will either just expire so we can use the cap space on someone else or be used in a sign & trade. The pick(s) & Jones are good assets. Asik is the real prize here but we wouldn't get him alone without giving up assets. We'll have to take on Lin too to put Houston in position to be the ones having to sweeten the deal.

LApwnd · Post #156 » by **LApwnd** » Wed May 28, 2014 5:38 pm

lakersin4 wrote:
LApwnd wrote:Lin is a system player, he needs to dominate the ball to put up good stats that is why he can't play next to Harden, so how is he gona play next to Kobe? Kobe barely gave up his reign to Nash who is a future HOF PG, Kobe isn't give a Lin the time of day, Lin will be used for corner 3's and spot up shooting with occasional big games like he is now when paired with Harden. But with that said, if Hou is willing to give picks and Jones I'm fine with helping them get Melo, Melo/Harden/Howard then Hou will have to pay up the arse when Parson comes up for ext. They're gona be able to afford that team for long.

I don't think it's a big deal because Lin's only under contract for 1 season. I don't see him as part of our long term plans.. He's good enough to help us be a playoff team next season... After that I think Lin will either just expire so we can use the cap space on someone else or be used in a sign & trade. The pick(s) & Jones are good assets. Asik is the real prize here but we wouldn't get him alone without giving up assets. We'll have to take on Lin too to put Houston in position to be the ones having to sweeten the deal.

will depend on who blinks 1st....everybody in the league knows what Hou needs to do with Lin and Asik. I'm sure Asik would net a 1st pick at worse but teams will force Hou hand till the very end. If Hou wants to be players in Melo FA negotation they will have to act fast with Lin/Asik.

kingstyyyle · Post #157 » by **kingstyyyle** » Wed May 28, 2014 6:01 pm

LApwnd wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:
Why not trade Kobe to NY for Melo? Give you a younger piece to work with and Phil and Kobe rejoin one another.

that makes nobody better and makes both organization look bad...NY for taking on an old Kobe making more money than Melo and having Melo doesn't do anything for us, we would be just like the Knicks of last season. As for Gordon it would take him quite some time if he does even become a "star" PF and you guys will have issues with the Morris twins developement.

I doubt we would keep the Mo-bro.s if we can upgrade the forward position.

dAdo dA dEvil · Post #158 » by **dAdo dA dEvil** » Wed May 28, 2014 6:02 pm

... who do we give up here ??? i hope not #7 pick ...

... i think i'd rather have Melo than Houston have him ...

... if this is all about cap flexibility for Houston to sign Melo and for us to be a play off team then i'd rather roll with Kobe/Melo/#7 than Kobe/Asik/Lin ...

... better ti try to win it all rather to be just another play off team ... just sayin' ... :wink:

LApwnd · Post #159 » by **LApwnd** » Wed May 28, 2014 6:05 pm

dAdodadevil wrote:... who do we give up here ??? i hope not #7 pick ...

... i think i'd rather have Melo than Houston have him ...

... if this is all about cap flexibility for Houston to sign Melo and for us to be a play off team then i'd rather roll with Kobe/Melo/#7 than Kobe/Asik/Lin ...

... better ti try to win it all rather to be just another play off team ... just sayin' ...

no sane person would give up #7 for those 2 guys...was just some random poster proabally trolling in the trade thread....you would have to be a complete idiot to not only give Hou cap space but also throw in a potential star player with the the #7 pick.

dAdo dA dEvil · Post #160 » by **dAdo dA dEvil** » Wed May 28, 2014 6:20 pm

LApwnd wrote:
dAdodadevil wrote:... who do we give up here ??? i hope not #7 pick ...

... i think i'd rather have Melo than Houston have him ...

... if this is all about cap flexibility for Houston to sign Melo and for us to be a play off team then i'd rather roll with Kobe/Melo/#7 than Kobe/Asik/Lin ...

... better ti try to win it all rather to be just another play off team ... just sayin' ...

no sane person would give up #7 for those 2 guys...was just some random poster proabally trolling in the trade thread....you would have to be a complete idiot to not only give Hou cap space but also throw in a potential star player with the the #7 pick.

... yeah ... that's why i'm wonderin' who do we give up to get these guys ? as far as i know we only have Kobe Nash and Sacre in the books ... Sure I would never give up Kobe for them ... Nash, i'm ok with it ... Sacre, in a heartbeat ... but i doubt Houston would want Nash/Sacre in return ...