Comm Thread XXXVII: drug free

[Kilroy]

I didn't say Foreign students don't pay more. They do, just in my opinion, not as much as the market could support, and not enough to help off-set costs for local students (which was the original purpose for allowing foreign applicants). Supply/Demand... Even with everything you say, the demand by foreign students, still greatly outweighs the supply of open registration spots.
And the breaks local students get are offset by the fact that many universities limit local applications.

Federal aid is limited to those that can justify a specific financial need. It wouldn't apply to foreign students who can afford to travel internationally and live abroad for school anyway. And the availability of financial aid is getting ridiculously restricted.

[EArl]

The one thing I agree with Kilroy is that International students should get charged more than U.S students.

In the UC system an out of state student gets charged the as an international student.

[Slava]

You are just way off the base Kilroy, I never met one person who said he did not get an admission for a university that he is eligible for just because there were too many foreign students accepted to the program. If that was to happen, the university would just accommodate additional classes to cover the student base.

[TyCobb]

Student loans are the next bubble.

[Kilroy]

Kilroy: What you get payed for your degree is based on what you major and the amount of effort you put into it.
I do agree that you should do what you want as a career, but if you expect to get paid a lot for something that isn't as hard or in demand as someone else than that person cant bitch about it. (not talking about you)

Also i've met people with these undesirable degrees and they actually did a lot of things like internships and outside work and when they finished school they had pretty sweet jobs.

This isn't a communist country where we all get paid equally and I don't want it to be that way.
When I finish school and become a doctor ill be damned if someone tells me that I don't deserve to get paid what I get paid. I am busting my ass off for my degree and those lazy asses that sat in your couch watching TV have no right to say anything.

Anyway what I do agree with Florence is that school should be more affordable. For some reason being in the lower class helps out a lot. I basically get paid like 90% percent of my school and have taken out very small loans.

Awaiting rebuttal....

The first line is incredibly naive... Most of you guys are pretty young, so maybe you're just getting started in your careers, but trust me, your degree and what you put into it is a relatively minor factor in what you get paid in the work force. Especially 5-10yrs out of school.
Unless you go into sales, or are a MD (and most likely even then) Graduation is just the beginning of your education. And it only gets more costly from there.

[EArl]

*Sees Mods fighting between one another. Will wait till they tire out and go in for the kill.

[Doormatt]

Yeah man the amount of work you put into your degrees has absolutely nothing to do with how much money you will make or what job you find.

[Slava]

Yeah man the amount of work you put into your degrees has absolutely nothing to do with how much money you will make or what job you find.

Tell that to the sucker with a PhD in liberal arts, working as a barista now.

[Kilroy]

You are just way off the base Kilroy, I never met one person who said he did not get an admission for a university that he is eligible for just because there were too many foreign students accepted to the program. If that was to happen, the university would just accommodate additional classes to cover the student base.

So what you have or haven't heard is fact? So you're willing to state categorically that no student has ever lost out to Foreign Applicant for a slot he was qualified for? When I was accepted to UCSB, I was one of 500 applicants accepted... Do you think out of the thousands of applicants for those same spots, not one of them lost out to someone from over-seas. Hell, over half of my room-mates in the dorms weren't US Nationals.

Don't take this personally.
I'm not attacking foreign students, I'm ridiculing the American Higher Education system.
And the acceptance practices I mentioned, happened.

[Slava]

You are just way off the base Kilroy, I never met one person who said he did not get an admission for a university that he is eligible for just because there were too many foreign students accepted to the program. If that was to happen, the university would just accommodate additional classes to cover the student base.

So what you have or haven't heard is fact? So you're willing to state categorically that no student has ever lost out to Foreign Applicant for a slot he was qualified for? When I was accepted to UCSB, I was one of 500 applicants accepted... Do you think out of the thousands of applicants for those same spots, not one of them lost out to someone from over-seas. Hell, over half of my room-mates in the dorms weren't US Nationals.

Don't take this personally.
I'm not attacking foreign students, I'm ridiculing the American Higher Education system.
And the acceptance practices I mentioned, happened.

Do you know that universities have something called a foreign student quota, that they cannot exceed per intake? Most universities are desperate to fill it up since they are much more lucrative for the university's funds.

International students need to realize that they can't simply look at overall admissions stats to determine their odds because most schools limit the international student population to 10 percent of the overall class. Even though colleges don't admit to quotas, these numbers don't vary much year to year, so they are what I would call virtual quotas. If you look at a school that has a 20 percent overall admissions rate, the admit rate for international students is likely to be closer to 5 percent—not to mention the fact that international students compete with other international students from 80-plus different countries, plus their own country. Schools might receive 300 applicants from China and then accept two or three!

US News

[TyCobb]

Solid finish to the Community Thread on this internet message board.

[Kilroy]

Yeah man the amount of work you put into your degrees has absolutely nothing to do with how much money you will make or what job you find.

Tell that to the sucker with a PhD in liberal arts, working as a barista now.

You START your career with a Degree, you keep your job with continued education, specialization, and experience.

Of course, not all degrees are lucrative, but I also know extremely well paid executives with degrees in liberal arts...

Apples to apples, the guy who worked harder to get his degree or achieved a higher degree in his major, has the opportunity to get a higher paying job out of school. But that doesn't mean he's going to make more than a C student in another field. And if he doesn't commit to continuing his specialized training, he'll face increasing competition for his money.

But there's a limit to that too... One of my best friends growing up is extremely smart and hard working. He was an Engineering major in school. He worked hard and got very good grades and landed an excellent job even before undergrad graduation. The company paid for his continuing education and he went on to get his Masters in short order... They urged him to continue so he was working on his PHD, when he realized he was educating himself out of a job... His options were quickly becoming "Teacher" which would have resulted in a drastic reduction in available income in the job market. So he stopped, changed companies, and is doing extremely well.

[Kilroy]

You are just way off the base Kilroy, I never met one person who said he did not get an admission for a university that he is eligible for just because there were too many foreign students accepted to the program. If that was to happen, the university would just accommodate additional classes to cover the student base.

So what you have or haven't heard is fact? So you're willing to state categorically that no student has ever lost out to Foreign Applicant for a slot he was qualified for? When I was accepted to UCSB, I was one of 500 applicants accepted... Do you think out of the thousands of applicants for those same spots, not one of them lost out to someone from over-seas. Hell, over half of my room-mates in the dorms weren't US Nationals.

Don't take this personally.
I'm not attacking foreign students, I'm ridiculing the American Higher Education system.
And the acceptance practices I mentioned, happened.

Do you know that universities have something called a foreign student quota, that they cannot exceed per intake? Most universities are desperate to fill it up since they are much more lucrative for the university's funds.

You're still missing the point... I'm aware of the quota system in US education... The quota is too high.

[EArl]

My first sentence was based on just undergrad alone, obviously if you go into higher degree you will get paid more, but not enough to make up for other degrees.
BS in Petroleum Engineer will usually get paid more than a PHD in Art history.
Also you basically said what I said in your last comment. You just rephrased it differently.

[Slava]

You're still missing the point... I'm aware of the quota system in US education... The quota is too high.

How is 10% too high Kilroy? Then why do people turn around and say we love the diversity in the American education system?

[EArl]

10% is probably too low.

I really doubt that you will not get into school because some foreigner got in.

[ennui]

i want bitch that's a hufflepuff in the streets but a slytherin between the sheets

[EArl]

i want bitch that's a hufflepuff in the streets but a slytherin between the sheets

Well that deflated the tension.

[Kilroy]

You're still missing the point... I'm aware of the quota system in US education... The quota is too high.

How is 10% too high Kilroy? Then why do people turn around and say we love the diversity in the American education system?

This is the United States, the diversity would be there even if we never accepted another non US National.

That said, 10% is actually a pretty significant number, and I think the more you know about the system, you'd trust that 10% a lot less. Add to that, the fact that in 2011, only 68% of us High School Graduates went on to college and the significance of that 10% may start to blur.

[Doormatt]

Gonna try to hustle some money tutoring kids. The tutoring program thru my school is ****.