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Re: Lakers should trade for Lin and Asik 

Post#161 » by LApwnd » Wed May 28, 2014 6:34 pm

dAdodadevil wrote:
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dAdodadevil wrote:... who do we give up here ??? i hope not #7 pick ...

... i think i'd rather have Melo than Houston have him ...

... if this is all about cap flexibility for Houston to sign Melo and for us to be a play off team then i'd rather roll with Kobe/Melo/#7 than Kobe/Asik/Lin ...

... better ti try to win it all rather to be just another play off team ... just sayin' ... :wink:


no sane person would give up #7 for those 2 guys...was just some random poster proabally trolling in the trade thread....you would have to be a complete idiot to not only give Hou cap space but also throw in a potential star player with the the #7 pick.


... yeah ... that's why i'm wonderin' who do we give up to get these guys ? as far as i know we only have Kobe Nash and Sacre in the books ... Sure I would never give up Kobe for them ... Nash, i'm ok with it ... Sacre, in a heartbeat ... but i doubt Houston would want Nash/Sacre in return ...


we give them NOTHING because Hou needs to move them for pure cap space to have enough money to offer Melo. This is the incentive for Hou, otherwise I would never voluntarily take those guys on AND give up assest to Hou.
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Re: Lakers should trade for Lin and Asik 

Post#162 » by dAdo dA dEvil » Wed May 28, 2014 6:37 pm

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no sane person would give up #7 for those 2 guys...was just some random poster proabally trolling in the trade thread....you would have to be a complete idiot to not only give Hou cap space but also throw in a potential star player with the the #7 pick.


... yeah ... that's why i'm wonderin' who do we give up to get these guys ? as far as i know we only have Kobe Nash and Sacre in the books ... Sure I would never give up Kobe for them ... Nash, i'm ok with it ... Sacre, in a heartbeat ... but i doubt Houston would want Nash/Sacre in return ...


we give them NOTHING because Hou needs to move them for pure cap space to have enough money to offer Melo. This is the incentive for Hou, otherwise I would never voluntarily take those guys on AND give up assest to Hou.


... if we give them nothing then i'm good with it plus Houston add another pick and then we have a deal ... :nod:
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Post#163 » by jcsunsfan » Wed May 28, 2014 6:44 pm

Just a thought. Would the Lakers be interested in #7 for #18, #27, and the return of their own first rounder next year? I think that sounds like a fair deal, but I am not sure how high the Lakers are on their prospects at #7 this year.
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Re: Lakers should trade for Lin and Asik 

Post#164 » by BEazy » Wed May 28, 2014 6:54 pm

To be honest I don't want anybody from the Rockets. These guys are good players but they have too many holes in their games.
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Post#165 » by ROballer » Wed May 28, 2014 6:59 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:Just a thought. Would the Lakers be interested in #7 for #18, #27, and the return of their own first rounder next year? I think that sounds like a fair deal, but I am not sure how high the Lakers are on their prospects at #7 this year.


We discussed about #7 for #14 and #18 and the feedback was generally positive(I'd do it )...I think I'd do your deal as well
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Re: Lakers should trade for Lin and Asik 

Post#166 » by NBAWestFan » Wed May 28, 2014 7:13 pm

dAdodadevil wrote:... who do we give up here ??? i hope not #7 pick ...

... i think i'd rather have Melo than Houston have him ...

... if this is all about cap flexibility for Houston to sign Melo and for us to be a play off team then i'd rather roll with Kobe/Melo/#7 than Kobe/Asik/Lin ...

... better ti try to win it all rather to be just another play off team ... just sayin' ... :wink:


I don't want Melo. He will want too much $ and he is old already.
He and Kobe need the ball. Pass Let Houston get him and they will be stuck with his next contract.
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Post#167 » by LApwnd » Wed May 28, 2014 7:19 pm

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jcsunsfan wrote:Just a thought. Would the Lakers be interested in #7 for #18, #27, and the return of their own first rounder next year? I think that sounds like a fair deal, but I am not sure how high the Lakers are on their prospects at #7 this year.


We discussed about #7 for #14 and #18 and the feedback was generally positive(I'd do it )...I think I'd do your deal as well


14th/27th with our 2015 pick back sounds better :D ....I dont think we'll suck next season like we did last season but would still like our pick back just so we start building something for the future.
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Re: Lakers should trade for Lin and Asik 

Post#168 » by Fresh360Waves » Wed May 28, 2014 7:40 pm

I'd definitely take Asik and Jones if possible, but not the biggest fan of Lin. Only thing is what would the Lakers trade in return?
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Post#169 » by milesfides » Wed May 28, 2014 7:51 pm

Lakers would trade nothing because they'd be far enough under the cap this summer if they do renounce Pau's rights.

This is one of the best options for the Lakers; otherwise, how good of a team can they field next year by only offering free agents 1-year deals? We'd have pretty much the same team or some other collection of castoffs.

Also certainly Harden and Melo will bomb, Harden Melo and Dwight will for sure bomb. These are two world class chuckers in their prime playing with the premiere prima donna center. Who's going to pass on that team? Nobody. KG was unselfish, Ray Allen accepted a limited role, Lebron and Wade are both willing passers. No way that Houston fantasy team works, but anyway, we have bigger problems than worrying about other teams. We need to first get onto that dance floor. And anyways, Houston will unload Asik and Lin to some team out there (pretty sure the Jazz would since they did exactly the same thing last year, parking expirings for assets).

And the bottom line is this helps Kobe the most, because remember when Nash was playing? Kobe did let him dictate the offense, the problem was Nash wasn't able to do things any more and Kobe had to take over PG at that point to get us into the playoffs.

The approach to Lin is that there is no downside. He has proven at the minimum, to be a solid contributor to exactly the two worst chuckers right now, Melo (in NY) and Harden (in Hou). You think it would actually be worse for Lin to play next to Kobe, who's slowing down and asking for help and who's been a more willing passer than ever in the past few years? And also said GM's were idiots for passing on Lin (after Lin dropped 40 on us).

And that's the upside of Lin...McHale pretty much took away all of Lin's strengths when Harden was on the floor. When Harden wasn't on the floor - Lin blew up. People who follow the rockets will tell you that the Rockets looked like a much better team when Lin had a bigger role.

And that's what we're coming to - on the Lakers, Lin 100% will have a bigger role. No Pau Gasol. Kobe's coming off injury. If we have Asik, that's a zero offense center. Who else on our team will create offense? We actually NEED a player like that, and I'm not talking Nick Young, that lovable clown. I think Kobe would welcome Lin with open arms - he needs another facilitator so he can go to work on the block, where he is still the best in the world with his footwork and midrange/post game.

No, L.A. is a perfect solution for Jeremy Lin, not only because he was born there and would be a huge boon marketing wise, but because the Lakers actually need a dynamic perimeter player who can make his teammates better. Asik would be his Tyson Chandler. PERFECT point guard for Ryan Kelly, remember that guy Steve Novak? Jeremy Lin got him paid. Then Toronto realized he actually can't play basketball. Where will Ryan Kelly's game go next year? 7-foot stretch four with a high bball IQ? If Lin made Landry Fields into a baller, how about Kent Bazemore and Wes Johnson? What's the ceiling for them?

That's the upside of Lin from a pure rebuilding POV, he is an asset creator.
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Re: Lakers should trade for Lin and Asik 

Post#170 » by LApwnd » Wed May 28, 2014 7:57 pm

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That's the upside of Lin from a pure rebuilding POV, he is an asset creator.


you failed to mention the biggest factor...MDA was the coach of those Knicks and MDA was the coach of LA that lead to all these castoffs having career year. Lin would need a coach similar to MDA who will let him control and dictate the entire team offense.
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Post#171 » by milesfides » Wed May 28, 2014 8:08 pm

You're giving MDA too much credit - he does give his players freedom, but it's not like he has an ingenious offensive plan. Sure, likely that Lin won't have as much control as Linsanity, but he certainly will have more control than he had playing next to Melo-Amare and Harden-Dwight.
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Re: Lakers should trade for Lin and Asik 

Post#172 » by milesfides » Wed May 28, 2014 8:11 pm

Also, hate to say it, but does anybody think there actually is a chance Kobe's health won't be 100%, maybe even much worse next season? Or if he can play, that he'd be heavily limited? Then what. Then it most definitely would be the Linsanity show, and we'd be lucky for it.
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Post#173 » by LApwnd » Wed May 28, 2014 8:22 pm

milesfides wrote:Also, hate to say it, but does anybody think there actually is a chance Kobe's health won't be 100%, maybe even much worse next season? Or if he can play, that he'd be heavily limited? Then what. Then it most definitely would be the Linsanity show, and we'd be lucky for it.


Linsanity would still require MDA, MDA is a terrible coach but his offense is not and his track records speak for itself. Fatty Felton posted career high's under MDA offense, Kendall Marshall avg. the 2nd most assit per game last season, Lin never had a stretch like he did under MDA before or after MDA, our castoffs have had career year statistically. MDA deserves the credit for all of it, we would require the same offensive style to MDA to get "linsanity" back.
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Post#174 » by milesfides » Wed May 28, 2014 8:34 pm

Well, that's your opinion, which I think is wrong. Jeremy Lin is not a D'Antoni-type player, Nash, Kendall Marshall, Duhon, yes. Jeremy Lin, no. Jeremy Lin isn't a pure point guard. Which is why Linsanity probably wouldn't have happened without the players or some assistant coach lobbying for Lin to get PT in a throwaway garbage time fashion.

And here's what happened in Houston in the six games when James Harden didn't play: Jeremy Lin posted over 20 points and 6 assists. Looks a lot like LInsanity. Did McHale run D'Antoni's offense?

So no, I think you're giving far too much credit to D'Antoni. People who've followed Houston know what Lin is capable of.
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Post#175 » by milesfides » Wed May 28, 2014 8:36 pm

That's the upside. People can disagree with that, sure. I'm not saying it's going to happen. But at the bare minimum, Lin gives us better than what he's doing in Houston being a floor spreader. He helps us get Asik and perhaps another asset. And he's an expiring contract if he absolutely doesn't work or we want to clear capspace. Next.
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Post#176 » by LApwnd » Wed May 28, 2014 9:03 pm

milesfides wrote:That's the upside. People can disagree with that, sure. I'm not saying it's going to happen. But at the bare minimum, Lin gives us better than what he's doing in Houston being a floor spreader. He helps us get Asik and perhaps another asset. And he's an expiring contract if he absolutely doesn't work or we want to clear capspace. Next.


and I do disagree with you on the production side but agree that we should get them IF certain assets are offered. In one of your post it noted Utah might do it as well but that team watches it bottom line, yes they took in 21mill dollars worth of expiring for the 2 picks but 21mill was 21 mill, Asik/Lin is 16 mill in cap but 30mill in true salary, that is ALOT of money to pay to 2 role players, I doubt every much that any small market team is willing to shell out that kind of money for a pick and jones.
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Re: Lakers should trade for Lin and Asik 

Post#177 » by Marionettetc » Wed May 28, 2014 9:06 pm

if we can't find anything better to do with the cap space, I don't think it's a horrible idea. We're still not sure what the front office wants to do with free agency this summer and our pick though

-edit- I know we all want our capspace to be spent on players that are all positive value and home runs, but I just think it's unrealistic to hope that. In the state our team is in (ie - shambles), I think the best we can hope for is that we don't have any salary that is negative value
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Post#178 » by jcsunsfan » Wed May 28, 2014 9:19 pm

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jcsunsfan wrote:Just a thought. Would the Lakers be interested in #7 for #18, #27, and the return of their own first rounder next year? I think that sounds like a fair deal, but I am not sure how high the Lakers are on their prospects at #7 this year.


We discussed about #7 for #14 and #18 and the feedback was generally positive(I'd do it )...I think I'd do your deal as well


As a Suns fan, I think I would do #7 for #14 and #18, depending on who is available. I would also do #18, #27, and the 2015 Laker pick. I would not do #14, #27, and the 2015 Laker pick.
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Post#179 » by ak7 » Wed May 28, 2014 9:23 pm

In a vaccum in this draft, #7 has more value than #14 and #18 combined.

The 2015 Laker pick has subjective value to the Lakers based off of what the FO's plans are.

Don't think that's a deal that ever happens, unless more value is added.

Aside from that, why would the Lakers do that deal even if the value is acceptable to them? The Suns are lacking a true star to get them out of a 6-8 seed/past the 1st round of the playoffs treadmill status, don't give them that opportunity considering they are in our division.
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Post#180 » by EArl » Wed May 28, 2014 9:25 pm

im not interested in trading picks unless we get a higher one. I'd rather just keep the one we have.
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