Alex Caruso = Lakers Basketball

[Sedale Threatt]

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[TylersLakers]

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Yup. Bradley should not be getting minutes over him.

[stan francisco]

I still hold out hope that he’ll start the Christmas game. In fact, Caruso is kind of leaving Frank no choice but to start him. It should just be a matter of when.

[Ball so hard]

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Yup. Bradley should not be getting minutes over him.

RPM also says Rondo (4th on team based on RPM) should be getting more minutes lol

RPM this early in the season should be taken with a pitcher of salt. Caruso has been very good on defense. Bradley was playing like our third best player before he got hurt; he's been struggling a bit since his return.

[TylersLakers]

Offered without commentary: Second on the team in Real Plus-Minus.

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Yup. Bradley should not be getting minutes over him.

RPM also says Rondo (4th on team based on RPM) should be getting more minutes lol

RPM this early in the season should be taken with a pitcher of salt. Caruso has been very good on defense. Bradley was playing like our third best player before he got hurt; he's been struggling a bit since his return.

Oh, I agree about Rondo. He's shut me up big time. For the majority of the year, he's been really good. He's had a few "wtf Rondo" type games and moments and Vogel has just pulled him when that happens instead of letting him puke all over himself as Luke did last year.

But Bradley, at least for the moment, can't get more minutes. Not unless he starts shooting the ball better.

[Landsberger]

So.... no comments on Caruso the last couple of games offensively? He's literally afraid to shoot or even make a forceful move offensively right now. Last night it seemed like he thought the ball was a pin-less hand grenade.... he couldn't get rid of it fast enough. I like the defense against larger and physical guards and he has a nose for the ball defensively but the Bucks sagged off of him on every possession to clog the lane against LeBron.... which was huge down the stretch.

Vogel has to recognize this with him and put in someone... anyone who will be at least a mild threat to score. Film for the post season is piling up.

Caruso has never really been in games that truly count and I can understand it to a certain degree but this is where a player can separate himself as a true role player on a great team. Fisher was, at times, not very good until it really counted then he was both opportunistic and very good. Hoping the stars have a little conversation with him about the deer in the headlights look we saw last night.

[nzahir]

So.... no comments on Caruso the last couple of games offensively? He's literally afraid to shoot or even make a forceful move offensively right now. Last night it seemed like he thought the ball was a pin-less hand grenade.... he couldn't get rid of it fast enough. I like the defense against larger and physical guards and he has a nose for the ball defensively but the Bucks sagged off of him on every possession to clog the lane against LeBron.... which was huge down the stretch.

Vogel has to recognize this with him and put in someone... anyone who will be at least a mild threat to score. Film for the post season is piling up.

Caruso has never really been in games that truly count and I can understand it to a certain degree but this is where a player can separate himself as a true role player on a great team. Fisher was, at times, not very good until it really counted then he was both opportunistic and very good. Hoping the stars have a little conversation with him about the deer in the headlights look we saw last night.

Who are we going to put in there to hit a shot?

Been saying it since day 1, not enough guys who can create and hit the shots

I trust Danny to shoot 3s and KCP a bit. Could use at least 1 more.

Rondo, Avery, and Caruso all have the same issue. None of them scare anyone on the other team. Can't have all 3 on this team playing min.

Caruso and Avery are close for me. Rondo is far down

[Landsberger]

So.... no comments on Caruso the last couple of games offensively? He's literally afraid to shoot or even make a forceful move offensively right now. Last night it seemed like he thought the ball was a pin-less hand grenade.... he couldn't get rid of it fast enough. I like the defense against larger and physical guards and he has a nose for the ball defensively but the Bucks sagged off of him on every possession to clog the lane against LeBron.... which was huge down the stretch.

Vogel has to recognize this with him and put in someone... anyone who will be at least a mild threat to score. Film for the post season is piling up.

Caruso has never really been in games that truly count and I can understand it to a certain degree but this is where a player can separate himself as a true role player on a great team. Fisher was, at times, not very good until it really counted then he was both opportunistic and very good. Hoping the stars have a little conversation with him about the deer in the headlights look we saw last night.

Who are we going to put in there to hit a shot?

Been saying it since day 1, not enough guys who can create and hit the shots

I trust Danny to shoot 3s and KCP a bit. Could use at least 1 more.

Rondo, Avery, and Caruso all have the same issue. None of them scare anyone on the other team. Can't have all 3 on this team playing min.

Caruso and Avery are close for me. Rondo is far down

Right now Avery and Caruso are no where near "close" offensively.... and are enough different defensively that I'd play Avery over Caruso if that choice was forced on me. Avery has played in big games, hit big shots and has shot the ball very well from deep. Caruso is a project overall and right now an offensive liability as far as scoring. Vogel will make a change soon unless he at least starts to take some shots to help the team.

The discussion you've been pimping is about a 3rd star and that Kuzma flat out sucks... not a bench guard... or maybe they all run together and I get them mixed up.

[nzahir]

So.... no comments on Caruso the last couple of games offensively? He's literally afraid to shoot or even make a forceful move offensively right now. Last night it seemed like he thought the ball was a pin-less hand grenade.... he couldn't get rid of it fast enough. I like the defense against larger and physical guards and he has a nose for the ball defensively but the Bucks sagged off of him on every possession to clog the lane against LeBron.... which was huge down the stretch.

Vogel has to recognize this with him and put in someone... anyone who will be at least a mild threat to score. Film for the post season is piling up.

Caruso has never really been in games that truly count and I can understand it to a certain degree but this is where a player can separate himself as a true role player on a great team. Fisher was, at times, not very good until it really counted then he was both opportunistic and very good. Hoping the stars have a little conversation with him about the deer in the headlights look we saw last night.

Who are we going to put in there to hit a shot?

Been saying it since day 1, not enough guys who can create and hit the shots

I trust Danny to shoot 3s and KCP a bit. Could use at least 1 more.

Rondo, Avery, and Caruso all have the same issue. None of them scare anyone on the other team. Can't have all 3 on this team playing min.

Caruso and Avery are close for me. Rondo is far down

Right now Avery and Caruso are no where near "close" offensively.... and are enough different defensively that I'd play Avery over Caruso if that choice was forced on me. Avery has played in big games, hit big shots and has shot the ball very well from deep. Caruso is a project overall and right now an offensive liability as far as scoring. Vogel will make a change soon unless he at least starts to take some shots to help the team.

The discussion you've been pimping is about a 3rd star and that Kuzma flat out sucks... not a bench guard... or maybe they all run together and I get them mixed up.

Close overall as players

I have discussed multiple holes. I brought up Bogdan multiple times b/c I think he fills 3 things:
1) Consistent bench scorer
2) He can handle the ball and create for himself and others. This means less relying on Rondo
3) Good shooter

[Landsberger]

Who are we going to put in there to hit a shot?

Been saying it since day 1, not enough guys who can create and hit the shots

I trust Danny to shoot 3s and KCP a bit. Could use at least 1 more.

Rondo, Avery, and Caruso all have the same issue. None of them scare anyone on the other team. Can't have all 3 on this team playing min.

Caruso and Avery are close for me. Rondo is far down

Right now Avery and Caruso are no where near "close" offensively.... and are enough different defensively that I'd play Avery over Caruso if that choice was forced on me. Avery has played in big games, hit big shots and has shot the ball very well from deep. Caruso is a project overall and right now an offensive liability as far as scoring. Vogel will make a change soon unless he at least starts to take some shots to help the team.

The discussion you've been pimping is about a 3rd star and that Kuzma flat out sucks... not a bench guard... or maybe they all run together and I get them mixed up.

Close overall as players

I have discussed multiple holes. I brought up Bogdan multiple times b/c I think he fills 3 things:
1) Consistent bench scorer
2) He can handle the ball and create for himself and others. This means less relying on Rondo
3) Good shooter

Define "good shooter"

[nzahir]

Right now Avery and Caruso are no where near "close" offensively.... and are enough different defensively that I'd play Avery over Caruso if that choice was forced on me. Avery has played in big games, hit big shots and has shot the ball very well from deep. Caruso is a project overall and right now an offensive liability as far as scoring. Vogel will make a change soon unless he at least starts to take some shots to help the team.

The discussion you've been pimping is about a 3rd star and that Kuzma flat out sucks... not a bench guard... or maybe they all run together and I get them mixed up.

Close overall as players

I have discussed multiple holes. I brought up Bogdan multiple times b/c I think he fills 3 things:
1) Consistent bench scorer
2) He can handle the ball and create for himself and others. This means less relying on Rondo
3) Good shooter

Define "good shooter"

40% 3pt shooter on 6.7 3pa a game. 38% career shooter from 3. 81% career ft shooter, shooting 70% somehow rn.

39% euro 3 pt shooter and 80% ft shooter. Good shooter. Not elite shooter.

[evilpimp972]

So.... no comments on Caruso the last couple of games offensively? He's literally afraid to shoot or even make a forceful move offensively right now. Last night it seemed like he thought the ball was a pin-less hand grenade.... he couldn't get rid of it fast enough. I like the defense against larger and physical guards and he has a nose for the ball defensively but the Bucks sagged off of him on every possession to clog the lane against LeBron.... which was huge down the stretch.

Vogel has to recognize this with him and put in someone... anyone who will be at least a mild threat to score. Film for the post season is piling up.

Caruso has never really been in games that truly count and I can understand it to a certain degree but this is where a player can separate himself as a true role player on a great team. Fisher was, at times, not very good until it really counted then he was both opportunistic and very good. Hoping the stars have a little conversation with him about the deer in the headlights look we saw last night.

We can't comment on 2 games in a season 82. Your overreaction will soon be forgotten.
And Avery is worse with his subpar 3p% he's under 30 % for the season.

[Landsberger]

Close overall as players

I have discussed multiple holes. I brought up Bogdan multiple times b/c I think he fills 3 things:
1) Consistent bench scorer
2) He can handle the ball and create for himself and others. This means less relying on Rondo
3) Good shooter

Define "good shooter"

40% 3pt shooter on 6.7 3pa a game. 38% career shooter from 3. 81% career ft shooter, shooting 70% somehow rn.

39% euro 3 pt shooter and 80% ft shooter. Good shooter. Not elite shooter.

Nobody not named LeBron or Davis will be shooting more than 5 3 pointers a game in this offensive scheme IMHO... so tell me what the difference in a guy shooting 34% and one shooting 40% is in terms of made 3 pointers in a game.... I'll save you the time.

5 x .34 = 1.7, 5 x .40 = 2. So the difference is .3 a game. That means a guy shooting 40% would make a 1 more 3 pointer over the course of 3 games (actually early in the 4th game in this scenario). This changes very little if said player shoots 6 a game. If he reverts to 38% it becomes negligible.

So much is made of the 3 pointer and you completely ignored overall shooting, location of the shots and the versatility of the shot making in your response to "define good shooter".

Tell me this.... should Davis shoot 6-8 3's a game?

The preoccupation with 3 point percentage on this team is really misplaced IMHO. We need someone who can score the ball... not just a 3 point shooter to stand in the corner to replace ones we already have just to get us a .06% higher chance at making them.

[Landsberger]

So.... no comments on Caruso the last couple of games offensively? He's literally afraid to shoot or even make a forceful move offensively right now. Last night it seemed like he thought the ball was a pin-less hand grenade.... he couldn't get rid of it fast enough. I like the defense against larger and physical guards and he has a nose for the ball defensively but the Bucks sagged off of him on every possession to clog the lane against LeBron.... which was huge down the stretch.

Vogel has to recognize this with him and put in someone... anyone who will be at least a mild threat to score. Film for the post season is piling up.

Caruso has never really been in games that truly count and I can understand it to a certain degree but this is where a player can separate himself as a true role player on a great team. Fisher was, at times, not very good until it really counted then he was both opportunistic and very good. Hoping the stars have a little conversation with him about the deer in the headlights look we saw last night.

We can't comment on 2 games in a season 82. Your overreaction will soon be forgotten.
And Avery is worse with his subpar 3p% he's under 30 % for the season.

Whats a couple big games on the road.... good thing those don't happen in the playoffs.

So let's revisit this after Caruso misses a dozen games with a leg injury then....

[evilpimp972]

So.... no comments on Caruso the last couple of games offensively? He's literally afraid to shoot or even make a forceful move offensively right now. Last night it seemed like he thought the ball was a pin-less hand grenade.... he couldn't get rid of it fast enough. I like the defense against larger and physical guards and he has a nose for the ball defensively but the Bucks sagged off of him on every possession to clog the lane against LeBron.... which was huge down the stretch.

Vogel has to recognize this with him and put in someone... anyone who will be at least a mild threat to score. Film for the post season is piling up.

Caruso has never really been in games that truly count and I can understand it to a certain degree but this is where a player can separate himself as a true role player on a great team. Fisher was, at times, not very good until it really counted then he was both opportunistic and very good. Hoping the stars have a little conversation with him about the deer in the headlights look we saw last night.

We can't comment on 2 games in a season 82. Your overreaction will soon be forgotten.
And Avery is worse with his subpar 3p% he's under 30 % for the season.

Whats a couple big games on the road.... good thing those don't happen in the playoffs.

So let's revisit this after Caruso misses a dozen games with a leg injury then....

Before the injury AB was a 29 % from deep.

[nzahir]

Define "good shooter"

40% 3pt shooter on 6.7 3pa a game. 38% career shooter from 3. 81% career ft shooter, shooting 70% somehow rn.

39% euro 3 pt shooter and 80% ft shooter. Good shooter. Not elite shooter.

Nobody not named LeBron or Davis will be shooting more than 5 3 pointers a game in this offensive scheme IMHO... so tell me what the difference in a guy shooting 34% and one shooting 40% is in terms of made 3 pointers in a game.... I'll save you the time.

5 x .34 = 1.7, 5 x .40 = 2. So the difference is .3 a game. That means a guy shooting 40% would make a 1 more 3 pointer over the course of 3 games (actually early in the 4th game in this scenario). This changes very little if said player shoots 6 a game. If he reverts to 38% it becomes negligible.

So much is made of the 3 pointer and you completely ignored overall shooting, location of the shots and the versatility of the shot making in your response to "define good shooter".

Tell me this.... should Davis shoot 6-8 3's a game?

The preoccupation with 3 point percentage on this team is really misplaced IMHO. We need someone who can score the ball... not just a 3 point shooter to stand in the corner to replace ones we already have just to get us a .06% higher chance at making them.

You do know Danny shoots 5.2 3s a game?

If we had a guy like Bertans or Bogdan, they would shoot 5 3s a game as well. You know why? Because they are good shooters and will be worked into getting good looks.

And the difference in those percentages matters for 2 reasons:
1) Defenses leave non shooters more open and clog up the lane, which makes it much harder for AD and Lebron.
2) When its a 1 possession game and all that matters is 1 shot, then that jump from 22% (avery on catch and shoots this yr) to 45% makes a huge difference.

I agree though that these guys need to also be able to score the ball and do other things, which Bogdan can do.

I would take JC on a buyout if it meant replacing Rondo. At least he can attack the basket. Both don't play d anyways.

[Landsberger]

We can't comment on 2 games in a season 82. Your overreaction will soon be forgotten.
And Avery is worse with his subpar 3p% he's under 30 % for the season.

Whats a couple big games on the road.... good thing those don't happen in the playoffs.

So let's revisit this after Caruso misses a dozen games with a leg injury then....

Before the injury AB was a 29 % from deep.

Bradley has shot over 36% for his career and had a few seasons at or just shy of 40%. He can lock up quick PG's which Caruso has issues with and he can score driving and finishing, make floaters and shoot off the dribble. All things Caruso either doesn't do or isn't very good at.

Shooting 3's isn't even remotely what I'm talking about. The difference in shooting isn't even at play when you refuse to participate on one end of the floor. That's what I'm talking about. The staff and team need to get him out of his head because he was a deer in the headlights in most important stretch of one of the more important games we've played. It's not just him btw.... a lot of the guys will not take a shot late. When Kobe closed games and Phil coached we had a lot of guys with similar "stats" feel empowered to take crucial shots and or create. Right now everyone is in paralysis it seems. That can be changed and probably will but this wasn't like a poor shooting streak where you shoot your way out.

[Landsberger]

40% 3pt shooter on 6.7 3pa a game. 38% career shooter from 3. 81% career ft shooter, shooting 70% somehow rn.

39% euro 3 pt shooter and 80% ft shooter. Good shooter. Not elite shooter.

Nobody not named LeBron or Davis will be shooting more than 5 3 pointers a game in this offensive scheme IMHO... so tell me what the difference in a guy shooting 34% and one shooting 40% is in terms of made 3 pointers in a game.... I'll save you the time.

5 x .34 = 1.7, 5 x .40 = 2. So the difference is .3 a game. That means a guy shooting 40% would make a 1 more 3 pointer over the course of 3 games (actually early in the 4th game in this scenario). This changes very little if said player shoots 6 a game. If he reverts to 38% it becomes negligible.

So much is made of the 3 pointer and you completely ignored overall shooting, location of the shots and the versatility of the shot making in your response to "define good shooter".

Tell me this.... should Davis shoot 6-8 3's a game?

The preoccupation with 3 point percentage on this team is really misplaced IMHO. We need someone who can score the ball... not just a 3 point shooter to stand in the corner to replace ones we already have just to get us a .06% higher chance at making them.

You do know Danny shoots 5.2 3s a game?

If we had a guy like Bertans or Bogdan, they would shoot 5 3s a game as well. You know why? Because they are good shooters and will be worked into getting good looks.

And the difference in those percentages matters for 2 reasons:
1) Defenses leave non shooters more open and clog up the lane, which makes it much harder for AD and Lebron.
2) When its a 1 possession game and all that matters is 1 shot, then that jump from 22% (avery on catch and shoots this yr) to 45% makes a huge difference.

I agree though that these guys need to also be able to score the ball and do other things, which Bogdan can do.

I would take JC on a buyout if it meant replacing Rondo. At least he can attack the basket. Both don't play d anyways.

DG was shooting 4.7 a game before the Bucks game..... he shot 12 in that one.

As for a player like JC.... he can score and do it in small bursts which is what we need. I'd say that he's be on the court with either Bron or Davis and that my guess is that the green light to create off the dribble wouldn't be there like it has been for him elsewhere. We want to iso Davis at the top or on the side when Bron is out and when Davis is out Bron dominates the ball. He'd end up being another spot up shooter which isn't his sweet spot offensively.

I think a lot people are not seeing what we're doing in the system right now and just throwing some bench guys with good stats at the issue thinking's the stats will translate directly. X gets 15 with 38% shooting from 3 here.... so if we can get him he'll get 15 with 38% shooting here.... I don't see a position for a player to get enough shots to get 15-18 here.

[nzahir]

Nobody not named LeBron or Davis will be shooting more than 5 3 pointers a game in this offensive scheme IMHO... so tell me what the difference in a guy shooting 34% and one shooting 40% is in terms of made 3 pointers in a game.... I'll save you the time.

5 x .34 = 1.7, 5 x .40 = 2. So the difference is .3 a game. That means a guy shooting 40% would make a 1 more 3 pointer over the course of 3 games (actually early in the 4th game in this scenario). This changes very little if said player shoots 6 a game. If he reverts to 38% it becomes negligible.

So much is made of the 3 pointer and you completely ignored overall shooting, location of the shots and the versatility of the shot making in your response to "define good shooter".

Tell me this.... should Davis shoot 6-8 3's a game?

The preoccupation with 3 point percentage on this team is really misplaced IMHO. We need someone who can score the ball... not just a 3 point shooter to stand in the corner to replace ones we already have just to get us a .06% higher chance at making them.

You do know Danny shoots 5.2 3s a game?

If we had a guy like Bertans or Bogdan, they would shoot 5 3s a game as well. You know why? Because they are good shooters and will be worked into getting good looks.

And the difference in those percentages matters for 2 reasons:
1) Defenses leave non shooters more open and clog up the lane, which makes it much harder for AD and Lebron.
2) When its a 1 possession game and all that matters is 1 shot, then that jump from 22% (avery on catch and shoots this yr) to 45% makes a huge difference.

I agree though that these guys need to also be able to score the ball and do other things, which Bogdan can do.

I would take JC on a buyout if it meant replacing Rondo. At least he can attack the basket. Both don't play d anyways.

DG was shooting 4.7 a game before the Bucks game..... he shot 12 in that one.

As for a player like JC.... he can score and do it in small bursts which is what we need. I'd say that he's be on the court with either Bron or Davis and that my guess is that the green light to create off the dribble wouldn't be there like it has been for him elsewhere. We want to iso Davis at the top or on the side when Bron is out and when Davis is out Bron dominates the ball. He'd end up being another spot up shooter which isn't his sweet spot offensively.

I think a lot people are not seeing what we're doing in the system right now and just throwing some bench guys with good stats at the issue thinking's the stats will translate directly. X gets 15 with 38% shooting from 3 here.... so if we can get him he'll get 15 with 38% shooting here.... I don't see a position for a player to get enough shots to get 15-18 here.

I also think JC needs to be on with AD or Lebron.

We need some more ball movement when Lebron sits.

[stan francisco]

How can one not revive this thread in the off-season?

He did eventually become the starting PG; in game six of the Finals!

Kudos, Carushow! Badass.