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lazybatman wrote:Seen Buddy Heild's name thrown around here. I won't be comfortable paying anything over a Trez(big IF)+Kuz for him. Huge salary to give up multiple rotation players for.
scoobs07 wrote:I proposed Kuz/KCP/22 for Hield. I'm more of a quality over quantity type of guy, but I respect your opinion. Everybody is different. Quality over quantity is good though.lazybatman wrote:Seen Buddy Heild's name thrown around here. I won't be comfortable paying anything over a Trez(big IF)+Kuz for him. Huge salary to give up multiple rotation players for.
scoobs07 wrote:lazybatman wrote:Seen Buddy Heild's name thrown around here. I won't be comfortable paying anything over a Trez(big IF)+Kuz for him. Huge salary to give up multiple rotation players for.
Would you rather have batman or Robin, Bat woman, and batman nephew in 3-4 years, who may or may not pan out? No dis respect, just trying to think of an analogy to help others understand my reasoning.
lazybatman wrote:scoobs07 wrote:lazybatman wrote:Seen Buddy Heild's name thrown around here. I won't be comfortable paying anything over a Trez(big IF)+Kuz for him. Huge salary to give up multiple rotation players for.
Would you rather have batman or Robin, Bat woman, and batman nephew in 3-4 years, who may or may not pan out? No dis respect, just trying to think of an analogy to help others understand my reasoning.
Bro, Buddy ain't Batman. I am!!!
lazybatman wrote:TylersLakers wrote:lazybatman wrote:
Not if we re-sign them first, and then S&T someone.
Doesn’t work like that bro. Once we acquire anyone in a sign and trade, it immediately brings on the hard cap which means we only have up to 143-145M to spend.
We were hard capped last year because we spent the MLE on Harrell and the BLE on Matthews. And that’s why we only had 13 players on the roster for a while until the pro-rated amount for a buyout guy (Drummond, McLemore) was low enough for us to sign. But we were able to do that because Kuz’s salary was $3M and Caruso’s was under $3M and THT’s was under $1M.
Kuz’s salary jumps to $13M, AC will be $9-12M, and it sounds like THT’s salary is going to be $15-20M.
We could keep KCP, acquire DeMar on a sign and trade for $10-$15M (Kuz, Gasol, future 2nd rounder) and re-sign Caruso for around $10M. We would then have the tax payer MLE of just under $6M to use. That combined with the rest of our salaries puts us very close to the hard cap amount.
Read carefully. We can re-sign them first before triggering the hard cap with an S&T or Exception signing. S&T can wait till the last date the teams have to renounce their rights, which is usually a couple of months into the new season.
Only DeRozan not worth the hard cap. If KL & he decide to come together, that's another very unlikely story. Chances are that the exception is gonna be around 6m, which is not much to fill out the roster after giving up multiple rotation playerseither, so the flexi CAP extremely important.
Also, if THT gets a max offer(11+11+28+29), we aren't gonna be able to match that in any case cos we don't have his full bird rights, and we're already operating above the CAP hold.
TylersLakers wrote:lazybatman wrote:TylersLakers wrote:
Doesn’t work like that bro. Once we acquire anyone in a sign and trade, it immediately brings on the hard cap which means we only have up to 143-145M to spend.
We were hard capped last year because we spent the MLE on Harrell and the BLE on Matthews. And that’s why we only had 13 players on the roster for a while until the pro-rated amount for a buyout guy (Drummond, McLemore) was low enough for us to sign. But we were able to do that because Kuz’s salary was $3M and Caruso’s was under $3M and THT’s was under $1M.
Kuz’s salary jumps to $13M, AC will be $9-12M, and it sounds like THT’s salary is going to be $15-20M.
We could keep KCP, acquire DeMar on a sign and trade for $10-$15M (Kuz, Gasol, future 2nd rounder) and re-sign Caruso for around $10M. We would then have the tax payer MLE of just under $6M to use. That combined with the rest of our salaries puts us very close to the hard cap amount.
Read carefully. We can re-sign them first before triggering the hard cap with an S&T or Exception signing. S&T can wait till the last date the teams have to renounce their rights, which is usually a couple of months into the new season.
Only DeRozan not worth the hard cap. If KL & he decide to come together, that's another very unlikely story. Chances are that the exception is gonna be around 6m, which is not much to fill out the roster after giving up multiple rotation playerseither, so the flexi CAP extremely important.
Also, if THT gets a max offer(11+11+28+29), we aren't gonna be able to match that in any case cos we don't have his full bird rights, and we're already operating above the CAP hold.
We can re-sign both - but once they're signed, we can't trade them until after December 15th.
And THT is an RFA. We can match any contract he receives, but if we're hard capped and we go over that $143M amount, we can't. When it comes to THT - we should either sign and trade him to another team for a piece that fits our current Championship timeline or we re-sign him and keep him and potentially use him in future deals down the road at the deadline or next off-season.
And I agree, DeRozan is not worth acquiring and getting hard-capped at that $143M number. Other than maybe Westbrook, I can't think of a worse fit to put next to AD and LeBron.
LAL1947 wrote:I wish there was a way to trade LeBron for Luka Doncic, that would be amazing.
Could someone please sell Mark Cuban on the idea that LeBron will help boost the global profile of his Mavs, especially when he and his son play together down the line (which is something I really don't want to see here as it will likely just be a waste of some of AD's prime). And perhaps, LeBron can be convinced to leave if he believes he may get a better path to possible ownership in the Mavs through building a relationship with Cuban.
It's a total pipe dream, I know... but I'll keep my fingers crossed... and toes too. Never liked LeBron and still don't despite the ring last season. Also, he's getting real old and the ball we play with him at PG is just painful on my eyes. Luka is already a better play-maker and passer, both.
Pythagoras wrote:Sounds like Sexton could be acquired if someone were willing to absorb Love.
dAdo dA dEvil wrote:Pythagoras wrote:Sounds like Sexton could be acquired if someone were willing to absorb Love.
Is there a realistic way we can get this done? I think Love will be a good fit big next to AD. This guy can shoot and can grab boards. Sexton can replace Schroeder or at least can fill in for a PG rotation.
Pythagoras wrote:dAdo dA dEvil wrote:Pythagoras wrote:Sounds like Sexton could be acquired if someone were willing to absorb Love.
Is there a realistic way we can get this done? I think Love will be a good fit big next to AD. This guy can shoot and can grab boards. Sexton can replace Schroeder or at least can fill in for a PG rotation.
If Harrell opts in, then I’m pretty sure KCP + Harrell + Kuzma + 22 works. Harrell and KCP would then be likely further rerouted with small assets going back to Cleveland.
scoobs07 wrote:Pythagoras wrote:dAdo dA dEvil wrote:
Is there a realistic way we can get this done? I think Love will be a good fit big next to AD. This guy can shoot and can grab boards. Sexton can replace Schroeder or at least can fill in for a PG rotation.
If Harrell opts in, then I’m pretty sure KCP + Harrell + Kuzma + 22 works. Harrell and KCP would then be likely further rerouted with small assets going back to Cleveland.
It is unlikely that Harrell opts in. Also, though Sexton has shown to be a good scorer at a young age, I still think that his three-point shooting volume is not what we are looking for. He has shot in the high 30s from three, but he has only attempted about 4 threes per game. That kind of tells me that three-point shooting is not really his thing. We thought Shroader was decent from three when we saw his percentage from the previous year, but once we got him, we saw how he was kind of hesitant from three and teams would sag off of him. We also have seen KCP's timidness from three, though he converts a good percentage. I like Sexton, but I think we need more of a bonified three-point shooter, who shoots threes at a high volume. That is what creates the spacing.
I haven't seen a whole lot of him either, but you could see that he is not a high volume three-point shooter by looking at his stats. He attempts 4 three-pointers per game. I think we need to add a player that attempts 8+ three-pointers per game. Curry, Lillard, and Hield are in the top three in the NBA with 10+ threes per game. Other players who shoot a solid number of threes per game and may possibly be obtainable are Terry Rozier, DeVonte Graham, and Kemba Walker.Pythagoras wrote:scoobs07 wrote:Pythagoras wrote:
If Harrell opts in, then I’m pretty sure KCP + Harrell + Kuzma + 22 works. Harrell and KCP would then be likely further rerouted with small assets going back to Cleveland.
It is unlikely that Harrell opts in. Also, though Sexton has shown to be a good scorer at a young age, I still think that his three-point shooting volume is not what we are looking for. He has shot in the high 30s from three, but he has only attempted about 4 threes per game. That kind of tells me that three-point shooting is not really his thing. We thought Shroader was decent from three when we saw his percentage from the previous year, but once we got him, we saw how he was kind of hesitant from three and teams would sag off of him. We also have seen KCP's timidness from three, though he converts a good percentage. I like Sexton, but I think we need more of a bonified three-point shooter, who shoots threes at a high volume. That is what creates the spacing.
I haven’t watched Sexton enough to form an opinion on him, so you might be right about him. His age and raw production is intriguing, but I’m not really well learned about the guy. Interestingly enough, I think swapping Gasol and McKinne for Harrell also makes it work if he doesn’t opt in.
Still think the most realistic trades I’ve heard that I like are KCP + Kuzma + 22 for either Brogdon and Holiday or Hield and Wright.
TylersLakers wrote:ROballer wrote:1. Stop posting trades involving S&T Schroder and/or THT plus Kuzma/KCT/Gasol and any other guy on the roster.
For the milionth time, IT'S NOT A LEGAL TRADE PER THE CBA.
We can get multiple players back for a sign and traded player, but can only send the one getting signed and traded back.
ONE **** PLAYER, plus eventual picks. That's it.
That's if the mentioned guy agrees to the salary and going to the team we want to do the sign and trade with. If not see the Bogdanovic to Milwaukee botched deal.
Even if in the eleventh hour, some of you guys get your **** together and start posting legal trades involving the S&T, keep in mind that those guys are FREE AGENTS first and foremost, not slaves. They're not going where are you wanting them to go just because you feel like it. They have the last word, if they don't want to go to the team you're wanting them to go, they won't and that's the end of the story.
Sign and trade deals are NOT the regular trade deals, in which a player has no saying if he doesn't have a no trade clause.
I swear, I'm not even surprised this forum is dying by the minute. I saw guys like Sedale and dock posting on the GB lately and not here. The sheer lunacy of some posts are head scratching to me.
If you don't know the rules of trading, don't **** post. Period.
It's not even the lopsided trades(McKinnie and a 20# pick for Buddy Hield), okay I might be able to live with that. But the fact that 70% or so trades mentioned here are not even legal per the rules of the CBA is the thing that gets me.
2. Joe Ingles was a terrific defender. Stop the white man prejudice. He's getting there in age a lost half a step but he can hold his own. You'd have to be out of your damn mind not to take him for Kuzma if that ever would be a possibility.
I was pretty sure that was the rule which is why most of my deals have been THT sign and trade to _____ for Player A & B. Or Schroder sign and trade to _____ for Player C and D - However, I have heard guys like Zach Lowe and Chris Herring talking about those types of deals. The CBA as it relates to sign and trades is really weird and it's made it almost impossible for a team to acquire a player in a sign and trade unless they're JUST over the cap.
My deals I've suggested that meet CBA rules:
1) Gasol/Kuzma/22 as a package together. It would allow us to acquire a player in the $13-21M range. Ex- Myles Turner, Harrison Barnes, Malcolm Brogdon, etc. Unless you're trading them to a team with cap space. Deal would not be official until after the moratorium as the "Lakers" need to make the selection.
2) THT sign and trades:
to Orlando for Terrence Ross, Michael Carter-Williams (or Mo Bamba which would allow THT to be paid more)
to Indiana for Justin Holiday, Jeremy Lamb
to Chicago for Thad Young
I haven't seen many good Schroder sign and trades. If New Orleans doesn't match a Knicks offer for Ball, good lord.. Schroder may be looking at MLE type of deals. Far cry from $100 or $120M.