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The #2 Pick

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Who do we pick

Poll ended at Fri Jun 26, 2015 2:33 am

Russell
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45%
Okafor
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46%
**** 'em.get cousins!!!
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8%
 
Total votes: 71

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Re: Ramona Shelburne: Russell Tops Okafor After 2nd Workouts 

Post#1681 » by miggs » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:02 pm

NBAWestFan wrote:It all depends on the type of Basketball you want to Play.

If the Coach wants a solid Point who can pass and nail the 3 ball.

over an Al Jefferson type of player you have to match the Coach
with the point guard.

Russel, Randle and maybe Clarkson and a Big FA.

Looking at Houston,
Harden dominated games Offensively compared to Dwight.


I see your point, but gotta disagree. I feel you can't follow trends in the league, at the end of the day the best players will shine, i.e., Curry, LeBron, Harden, etc as opposed to teams wanting to do the same but being unable to succeed at a high level doing it.

I think the Lakers like any team, should acquire the best player they possibly can and build around them, not follow trends. I think small ball will fail and instead a hybrid form will emerge where a team must be able to be versatile enough to switch between small ball and traditional post play depending on the defense schemes they face. I think neither style will dominate, players are much more versatile than in past eras, the big difference being it seems players in the past had better fundamentals with a more clearly defined game whereas today players can come out with a broader game but underdeveloped fundamentals.
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#1682 » by EArl » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:05 pm

I really think if we pass on Okafor we will regret it later.
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Re: Ramona Shelburne: Russell Tops Okafor After 2nd Workouts 

Post#1683 » by miggs » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:10 pm

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miggs wrote:You need to direct your wording to the right person and not quote me, your aim's got to be better than that doc. Still I'll answer your poorly directed questions.

I wouldn't exactly put logic and sam hinkie in the same sentence, we love shooting down ideas and saying teams would demand more, yet time and time again we have seen some lopsided trades happen and you usually love shooting down such thoughts. YOU may be thinking with logic, however it's completely stupid to assume these GMs may think using that logic. We already know Phi's grand plan is starting to show its kinks with Embiid's reported setback so who knows what Hinkie is thinking.


I quoted you cause it allowed me to capture both comments. I apologize if it seemed it was directed solely at you.

Regarding Hinkie, I think he's done an awesome job for only being on the job for two years. He took a gamble with Embiid but the logic behind the move is sound. We'll see how it works out.


It caught me off guard, in hind sight, even my response was strong.

I agree, however, I think he's got too little room for error in his implied plan. I hope to see Embiid do well but as you said, we'll see how it works out. They have insane potential if Embiid is healthy and they select Russell.

I also see no point for us to trade with Hinkie and hold Russell ransom, I think plans like that have too much potential to backfire. I'd rather draft Okafor and look to steal a pick in the teens or 20s by trading our 27 and 34 picks
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#1684 » by TrippyNate » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:12 pm

I doubt we will regret it. Name the last Duke player to be a high draft pick and then have a good career. **** name the last Duke player to be a HOF'er. Dudes good but overrated in today's NBA, just because he has low post skills and a big body. Do we really want to wait 3 years for him to be a impact player? We don't want another Sheldon Williams on our hands. Honestly I don't care anymore just want the draft to be over with. Lakers usually draft a guard and buy a big anyways.
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#1685 » by Michael Lucky » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:17 pm

I had settled on us picking Okafor. However now with the teasing of us picking Russell it's going to feel like a major letdown if we end up not picking Russell.
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#1686 » by Danny Darko » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:18 pm

They are trying to scare 76ers into trading up and including Saric or our #1 next year back. Jah to lakers.
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#1687 » by ROballer » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:20 pm

TrippyNate wrote:I doubt we will regret it. Name the last Duke player to be a high draft pick and then have a good career. **** name the last Duke player to be a HOF'er. Dudes good but overrated in today's NBA, just because he has low post skills and a big body. Do we really want to wait 3 years for him to be a impact player? We don't want another Sheldon Williams on our hands. Honestly I don't care anymore just want the draft to be over with. Lakers usually draft a guard and buy a big anyways.



Kyrie Irving...but yeah, I'm still taking Russell 10/10 times over Okafor
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Re: Ramona Shelburne: Russell Tops Okafor After 2nd Workouts 

Post#1688 » by MAMBAEMD » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:21 pm

We should go for Okafor. I think it'd be a mistake to pass on him.
Russell looks like he'll be very good.
Okafor though can be a game changer. He'll command double teams and is a good passer.

He can improve free throw shooting and defense.
He already has a better post game than D12.

Pick Okafor.
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#1689 » by tlifeset » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:33 pm

I like Okafor's fire. He gets pretty pumped in games. Team could use some of that.

The thought of Love or LA on the perimeter and Okafor clearing space on the block is basketball harmony.
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Re: Ramona Shelburne: Russell Tops Okafor After 2nd Workouts 

Post#1690 » by Man of Troy » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:36 pm

Mirjalovic wrote:Why Al Jefferson ? Why not Pau Gasol ??


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It's done to try and convince everyone that Russell is the best pick. The ones that really get me are the posts that put projections together calling Russell the next Curry (which he is never going to be even if he reached his potential) and then project Okafor as Jefferson (just about his worst case scenario). This would be like the ones who want Okafor comparing him to Duncan while comparing Russell to Jamal Crawford. They are both somewhat valid projections for the players, it's just completely dishonest to use the highest possible for one player and lowest possible for the other.
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#1691 » by Rosque » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:36 pm

Can people just STAHP putting Love in LAL uniform already?
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#1692 » by Man of Troy » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:46 pm

TrippyNate wrote:I doubt we will regret it. Name the last Duke player to be a high draft pick and then have a good career. **** name the last Duke player to be a HOF'er. Dudes good but overrated in today's NBA, just because he has low post skills and a big body. Do we really want to wait 3 years for him to be a impact player? We don't want another Sheldon Williams on our hands. Honestly I don't care anymore just want the draft to be over with. Lakers usually draft a guard and buy a big anyways.


Lets base it on the schools past rather than the players? I forgot Ohio State was such a developmental program. I'd take Kyrie over Conley. After that somewhat recently I'd definitely take Deng, Boozer, Brand, and Parker over anyone else from ohio State unless maybe you go back far enough for Jimmy Jackson. Hopefully management is smart enough to evaluate the player and not the school that they spent 8 months at.
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Re: Ramona Shelburne: Russell Tops Okafor After 2nd Workouts 

Post#1693 » by NBAWestFan » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:55 pm

Al Jefferson is the NBA Draft.net comparison for the last 6 months or more.

The number one reason I am not high on Okafor is in
the biggest game. He watched a lot in the 2nd half and missed close shots
while the guys who stepped up in the Crunch time were the guys
with high motors PG Tyus Jones and SF/SG Justice Winston.

He was like Dwight watching Harden take on the big shots.

Okafor will be a good player but the West is what it is now a Guards game.
Where a great PG is needed.
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Re: Ramona Shelburne: Russell Tops Okafor After 2nd Workouts 

Post#1694 » by BullsLakersFan » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:04 pm

NBAWestFan wrote:Al Jefferson is the NBA Draft.net comparison for the last 6 months or more.


http://www.nbadraft.net/players/deshawn-stevenson
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Re: Ramona Shelburne: Russell Tops Okafor After 2nd Workouts 

Post#1695 » by miggs » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:06 pm

NBAWestFan, you compare Okafor to Dwight too much, as if you just see post big men as just that post big men and nothing more. I see your point and all but you can't rely your whole opinion on a player based on a NCAA tournament, one too many times players have seriously underachieved in the NBA after having some amazing moments in the NCAA tournament.
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Re: Ramona Shelburne: Russell Tops Okafor After 2nd Workouts 

Post#1696 » by Minhee » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:20 pm

BullsLakersFan wrote:
NBAWestFan wrote:Al Jefferson is the NBA Draft.net comparison for the last 6 months or more.


http://www.nbadraft.net/players/deshawn-stevenson


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Re: Ramona Shelburne: Russell Tops Okafor After 2nd Workouts 

Post#1697 » by MelosSoreWrist » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:23 pm

tviper wrote:Haven't posted in a while, but coming out of hiatus on draft day 2015. I can't believe anyone is falling for this. Guys, PHI wants Russell. Therefore, Mitch is leaking this through Ramona to up whatever deal is on the table to trade back to 3. Just because you haven't read about a deal between LAL/PHI doesn't mean it isn't happening. Cousins is a smoke screen IMO.

The way to leverage an asset for a pick swap isnt to threaten to take who Phi wants. Thats an obvious bluff. Its to threaten to trade the pick to a team that covets who Phi wants. Thats more realistic and encourages time sensitive proactive action from Philly.
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Re: Ramona Shelburne: Russell Tops Okafor After 2nd Workouts 

Post#1698 » by jigga_man » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:23 pm

BullsLakersFan wrote:
NBAWestFan wrote:Al Jefferson is the NBA Draft.net comparison for the last 6 months or more.


http://www.nbadraft.net/players/deshawn-stevenson


Oh wow, the edit fron NBAdraft.net
[6/25/15 Edit: Scouting report and comparison to G.O.A.T. were written while Stevenson was in high school and assumed to be headed to Kansas. Lessen learned, never compare anyone to Michael Jordan. This was 2000, the site was just getting started. Go watch a tape of Stevenson in high school, he was incredible. One of the most spectacular 17 year old wings you could ever see. Not going to college had a catastrophic effect on him. It seems everyone enjoys dis-crediting our expertise by bringing up the year 2000 DeShawn Stevenson comparison to MJ. We never went back and changed his comparison after it was originally made. Apologies to MJ.... Hey the "Sports Leader" compared Marshawn Brooks to Kobe Bryant just a few years ago.The other large NBA draft site compared Greg Paulus to John Stockton. Nobody wants to bring that up?]


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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#1699 » by Ckay » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:28 pm

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Re: Ramona Shelburne: Russell Tops Okafor After 2nd Workouts 

Post#1700 » by Indy2LA » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:39 pm

This is hard because I love D'Angelo Russell and watched him destroy my beloved Hoosiers TWICE.

That being said, still a huge mistake to pass up on Jahlil Okafor. This pick should be a no-brainer.

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