2017 Lakers Draft Pick Discussion

Jon Snow · Post #1741 » by **Jon Snow** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:58 pm

tugs wrote:You do it because?

I already answered it. Read my post again.

JohnVancouver · Post #1742 » by **JohnVancouver** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:17 pm

JC isn't good enoughto be Lou Williams instant points guy off the bench and he's a ball stopper, exactly what we don't need inthis offense. The ball has to move, not to mention the already mentioned defensive problem.

he was a great 2nd round pick now on an attractive salary and very tradeable, just what we want right now. He doesn't fit and he has value to others.

Princeinrevolt · Post #1743 » by **Princeinrevolt** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:18 pm

Collins > Markkanen... If we could do the Clarkson for the Detroit Pick trade. Magic Johnson automatically becomes the best GM in the NBA.

jay51024 · Post #1744 » by **jay51024** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:21 pm

Read on Twitter

Michael Lucky · Post #1745 » by **Michael Lucky** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:25 pm

jay51024 wrote:

Read on Twitter

seems to be the running theme about the Lakers 1 on 0 work out. Apparently Lonzo got winded after 40 minutes after his first workout and couldn't make shots any longer. Hence why all the reports that came out afterwards.

iamworthy · Post #1746 » by **iamworthy** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:18 pm

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jay51024 · Post #1747 » by **jay51024** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:21 pm

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"Hotshot UCLA point guard Lonzo Ball desperately wants to be drafted by his hometown team, and the Lakers are nearing a final decision to select him with the No. 2 overall pick, according to league sources.

Some final planning and discussion remains to be done before the draft Thursday, per team sources, but Ball logged quality time with Lakers president Magic Johnson and general manager Rob Pelinka in a second predraft meeting Friday.

The Lakers, especially Pelinka, have tried to keep an open mind throughout workouts and interviews to settle on the best player available to them... And while athletic Kansas forward Josh Jackson remains a possibility at No. 2, his shooting ability is a concern."

Michael Lucky · Post #1748 » by **Michael Lucky** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:27 pm

yeah like i said a couple of days ago, i expect them to make that decision either late tonight or early tomorrow morning. People need to remember the Lakers are holding their last day of workouts today.

Also Lonzo not meeting with other teams below the Lakers is another good sign.

Post #1749 » by **TyCobb** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:29 pm

Princeinrevolt wrote:Collins > Markkanen... If we could do the Clarkson for the Detroit Pick trade. Magic Johnson automatically becomes the best GM in the NBA.

No, no, no. Markkanen > Collins.

Collins was very pedestrian against good college teams. He also played in under half of his team's minutes (43.1%). Against Tier A teams his ORtg dropped to 102.5 and his TO rate jumped to 26.2.

Against good teams...
St. Mary's (3 times) 10 points, 6 points, 4 points...
Florida 4 points
Iowa St. 9 points
Arizona 8 points
Tenn 10 points
BYU 6 points
West Virginia 1 point
North Carolina 9 points
Xavier 6 points

Outlier

South Carolina 14 points

Markkanen in the same sample size against Tier A (13 games)...

81.7 %min, 122.9 Ortg, 9.9 TO rate.

He is way better my friend.

Michael Lucky · Post #1750 » by **Michael Lucky** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:30 pm

TyCobb wrote:
Princeinrevolt wrote:Collins > Markkanen... If we could do the Clarkson for the Detroit Pick trade. Magic Johnson automatically becomes the best GM in the NBA.

No, no, no. Markkanen > Collins.

Collins was very pedestrian against good college teams. He also played in under half of his team's minutes (43.1%). Against Tier A teams his ORtg dropped to 102.5 and his TO rate jumped to 26.2.

Against good teams...
St. Mary's (3 times) 10 points, 6 points, 4 points...
Florida 4 points
Iowa St. 9 points
Arizona 8 points
Tenn 10 points
BYU 6 points
West Virginia 1 point
North Carolina 9 points
Xavier 6 points

Outlier

South Carolina 14 points

Markkanen in the same sample size against Tier A (13 games)...

81.7 %min, 122.9 Ortg, 9.9 TO rate.

He is way better my friend.

Collins didn't get any minutes. So hard to really know how good he is. Too bad the other Collins doesn't hit jump shot. That guy would have been a shoe in as a top 5 pick - 10 years ago.

Princeinrevolt · Post #1751 » by **Princeinrevolt** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:32 pm

TyCobb wrote:
Princeinrevolt wrote:Collins > Markkanen... If we could do the Clarkson for the Detroit Pick trade. Magic Johnson automatically becomes the best GM in the NBA.

No, no, no. Markkanen > Collins.

Collins was very pedestrian against good college teams. He also played in under half of his team's minutes (43.1%). Against Tier A teams his ORtg dropped to 102.5 and his TO rate jumped to 26.2.

Against good teams...
St. Mary's (3 times) 10 points, 6 points, 4 points...
Florida 4 points
Iowa St. 9 points
Arizona 8 points
Tenn 10 points
BYU 6 points
West Virginia 1 point
North Carolina 9 points
Xavier 6 points

Outlier

South Carolina 14 points

Markkanen in the same sample size against Tier A (13 games)...

81.7 %min, 122.9 Ortg, 9.9 TO rate.

He is way better my friend.

I like what Collins could be than what he actually is right now tbh. But I believe you that Markkanen is a better player right now.

Post #1752 » by **TyCobb** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:35 pm

Michael Lucky wrote:Collins didn't get any minutes. So hard to really know how good he is. Too bad the other Collins doesn't hit jump shot. That guy would have been a shoe in as a top 5 pick - 10 years ago.

That happens when you have a pace adjusted fouls per 40 of 6.1.

Post #1753 » by **TyCobb** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:51 pm

jay51024 wrote:

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Okay, read this now that I got that Markkanen business out the way. :lol:

The Lakers' suspicion that Ball might wind up being better than presumptive No. 1 overall pick Markelle Fultz—and perhaps the Boston Celtics' suspicion that Jackson or Duke forward Jayson Tatum also could be better than Fultz—will make the top of this draft one to be analyzed for years.

Many league executives view Fultz as the best option largely because he has the least bust potential, but that clearly wasn't a strong enough selling point to Celtics general manager Danny Ainge, whose decision to trade down to No. 3 will hand Fultz to the Philadelphia 76ers.

The Lakers got a firsthand look at Fultz in a workout Thursday, so the fact that they are leaning toward Ball (even if Fultz was available) as this week began is telling.

Post #1754 » by **TyCobb** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:55 pm

There is still a lot to like about both Russell and Randle as well, but there are also ongoing questions about how well they take criticism, according to team sources. Lakers head coach Luke Walton entered the season asking Russell to be less of a know-it-all and more of a leader for the group, while he hoped Randle would emulate Draymond Green in using every perceived slight as motivation. Though both players improved their games, neither advanced as far as Walton had hoped. Russell was inconsistent with his professionalism, and Randle often lost messages given to him if they were delivered harshly.

Also....

Michael Lucky · Post #1755 » by **Michael Lucky** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:14 pm

Ding sucks but now he's great? Can't wait for Ty to start blaming Russell for Lonzo's struggles smh

Post #1756 » by **TyCobb** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:16 pm

Ding does suck, especially since this is likely to hurt Russell's value even more. PS Where did I say he is great?

He wrote this just 10 days ago... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2714648-lonzo-ball-may-be-a-star-but-los-angeles-lakers-have-questions-ahead-of-draft

J_LA · Post #1757 » by **J_LA** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:22 pm

On Friday Fultz "murdered" his workout and Magic Johnson was trying to trade up for him. Now they would take Lonzo regardless.
I guess everyone can decide on their own who or what to believe.

Post #1758 » by **TyCobb** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:25 pm

J_LA wrote:On Friday Fultz "murdered" his workout and Magic Johnson was trying to trade up for him. Now they would take Lonzo regardless.
I guess everyone can decide on their own who or what to believe.

TyCobb wrote:
The Celtics could have told the Lakers this:

"Look, we're not high on Fultz and we're leaning on taking Ball here with the #1. Meanwhile, Philly is really high on Fultz. If you go public with your admiration for Fultz and draw up the price for us, then we won't select Ball and we'll trade the pick to Philly so you guys can have Lonzo to yourselves."

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#3 spot is such a pivotal spot in this draft. That is where we were hearing Philly and Kings trade talks. Boston's endgame is to stockpile assets for a 'consensus' #1 player who wasn't an ideal fit for them.

It's not as far-fetched as Lucky may have led you to believe.

The NBA wants Lonzo in LA.

Jagic Mohnson · Post #1759 » by **Jagic Mohnson** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:26 pm

JohnVancouver wrote:JC isn't good enoughto be Lou Williams instant points guy off the bench and he's a ball stopper, exactly what we don't need inthis offense. The ball has to move, not to mention the already mentioned defensive problem.

he was a great 2nd round pick now on an attractive salary and very tradeable, just what we want right now. He doesn't fit and he has value to others.

Clarksons biggest issue is he isnt a ring chaser. He is a skirt chaser. The dude spends more time trying to hook up with women instead of hooking up with a shooting coach and defensive coach for training.

J_LA · Post #1760 » by **J_LA** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:26 pm

TyCobb wrote:
J_LA wrote:On Friday Fultz "murdered" his workout and Magic Johnson was trying to trade up for him. Now they would take Lonzo regardless.
I guess everyone can decide on their own who or what to believe.

TyCobb wrote:
The Celtics could have told the Lakers this:

"Look, we're not high on Fultz and we're leaning on taking Ball here with the #1. Meanwhile, Philly is really high on Fultz. If you go public with your admiration for Fultz and draw up the price for us, then we won't select Ball and we'll trade the pick to Philly so you guys can have Lonzo to yourselves."

+

#3 spot is such a pivotal spot in this draft. That is where we were hearing Philly and Kings trade talks. Boston's endgame is to stockpile assets for a 'consensus' #1 player who wasn't an ideal fit for them.

It's not as far-fetched as Lucky may have led you to believe.

The NBA wants Lonzo in LA.

Yeah. Blame Lucky

Who do the Lakers draft on June 22nd with the 2nd overall pick?