Lakers 2016 NBA draft #2 pick discussion

PKABOOICU · Post #181 » by **PKABOOICU** » Wed May 18, 2016 8:45 pm

good points but I think KD, George, at this time will just shunt the growth of our pick, now that we know we are for sure getting one of the 2 SFs in the draft. I Like Harrison Barnes as a young mentor but not at a steep price. The FA targets should be Centers.

TylersLakers · Post #182 » by **TylersLakers** » Wed May 18, 2016 8:47 pm

Initially was leaning towards Simmons around the lottery and hoping he'd force his way to LA, but I'm getting all in on #TeamIngram at the moment.

He would just fit in beautifully with this roster.

Crooked-I · Post #183 » by **Crooked-I** » Wed May 18, 2016 9:09 pm

Personally I think you can't go wrong with either one. Definitely a good position to be in, but I like Simmons more solely on the fact that Luke is our coach and I think Simmons will thrive in that offense. A kid with that size and that vision in his offense :drool:

Post #184 » by **Kilroy** » Wed May 18, 2016 9:16 pm

Russell
Derozen
Ingram
Randle
Whiteside

6th Clarkson

Wouldn't be too shabby...

I honestly don't care which of those 2 guys we pick. But I like the desire to be here from Simmons.

Post #185 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed May 18, 2016 9:16 pm

I personally don't think either would stunt his growth. Simmons is going to need to play PG the NBA to be effective in the half court (until he gets a jumper or low post scoring), KD has shown he is a superstar without having to dominate the ball. Ingram can do both, Ingram can play off the ball (Grayson was the ball dominant guard at Duke) or he can create his own shot (one of the best Iso forwards coming out of college in the last decade). Plus you don't pass up the chance to sign a guy of KD or PGs quality because of Simmons or Ingram.

Post #186 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed May 18, 2016 9:18 pm

That's a good looking young squad. Down the road I think Randle will come off the bench. I like Randle but I think his best role will be an energy big off the bench

dontforget · Post #187 » by **dontforget** » Wed May 18, 2016 9:30 pm

This would be nice too. I'm just a bit hesitant of Derozan. His struggles this playoffs scare me....a lot (Although he has picked it up). My fear is he's a type of player that "shrinks" come big playoff moments. He would definitely make this team better in the short run but a couple(few) years down the line when we return to the playoffs what version of Derozan would we be getting? I also don't think he fits Luke's system. That's why I was wondering if we could have Ingram play SG and bring in a guy like Barnes at SF who while isn't as offensively gifted as Derozan he can play within a system as well as be a good defender. He also has more upside being only 23.

The Prodigy · Post #188 » by **The Prodigy** » Wed May 18, 2016 9:32 pm

With that lineup, I'd target John Leuer as backup C for spacing purposes.

Michael Lucky · Post #189 » by **Michael Lucky** » Wed May 18, 2016 9:37 pm

neither Whiteside (worst center in the league at this) and Derozan pass the ball. Pair them with Clarkson and Randle and it is another iso nightmare.

Levity · Post #190 » by **Levity** » Wed May 18, 2016 10:00 pm

despite everyones well-warranted reservations surrounding demar, i can dig that line up. thats with me hoping that the system luke implements forces DD to play less hero/iso ball, and get him easy looks around the elbow.

i wouldnt be opposed to offering a contract to fornier (and seeing what ORL does), in place of demar. better shooter, IMO, and still great at finishing in the paint.

SashAlex · Post #191 » by **SashAlex** » Wed May 18, 2016 10:01 pm

Hurrah guys! Very happy with the outcome. After so much suffering we fully deserved at least the 2nd pick, which in this case kind of takes off the pressure from the Lakers whom to pick. To be honest, after reading your posts, I don't care who we pick out of Simmons and Ingram. They're both very different players and both will be a substantial upgrade for the team that will pick one of them. I feel at ease and so do I suppose the Front Office, as either way, we will have a great starting point this summer.

Ingram is pretty much ready offensively and very good defensively. Not worried about his frame as he's only 19 and will definitely bulk up nicely in the years to come, thus becoming a complete player. Very quick with the ball. Already a triple-threat. Looks ready and with a high ceiling, probably not as high as Simmons, but still a future All-Star.

Simmons has one big weakness right now with his jumpshot. Without it defenses will quickly adjust to his game and he might struggle scoring. I say he might because he's very quick at penetrating, great ballhandling, nice frame already and a fantastic vision that will instantly make him efficient. Not to mention his ability to finish with both hands. Imagine back in the days Lamar having this kind of ability. This is quite special to have. And if he develops a consistent jumpshot, in case the Lakers select him, this kid will be something very special.

What I'm for is not trading our pick for a proven star without being sure that this won't help attract the big fish, which is Durant. That's if he decides to leave Oklahoma.

Levity · Post #192 » by **Levity** » Wed May 18, 2016 10:03 pm

also, im in the minority, but i think simmons showcases his newfound range during summer league.

Post #193 » by **Kilroy** » Wed May 18, 2016 10:22 pm

Interesting fact.... Randle had the 6th most assists among PFs last season... Right behind Blake. More than guys like Dirk, Randolph, Bosh and Davis...

Whiteside would basically be a pure scorer on Offense with that team... And Derozen would also be primarily a scorer.

Simmons would actually be a slightly better fit, maybe. But Ingram's ability to stretch the floor, be versitile and defend would be awesome too...

slifersd · Post #194 » by **slifersd** » Wed May 18, 2016 10:31 pm

I think this is the good news about us picking second and likely getting Ingram, is that we no longer have to make a trade. If we draft Simmons, his skill set is basically going to limit him to spend vast majority of his time at PF in today's NBA. And that means we basically have to trade Randle and maybe Nance as well, since neither one of those guys have the versatility to play SF or C. With Ingram in town, he fills a very obvious need for us at SF right away, and that is a position where we have absolutely nothing going right now.

gts1 · Post #195 » by **gts1** » Wed May 18, 2016 10:47 pm

most of what I've read/heard about the two and from the few times I've watched them play I'm thinking Ingram is far better suited to run in a Walton system assuming he installs something along the lines of what they run in Golden State

Ingram can shoot from the outside and he's longer than Simmons.. Simmons can't shoot, period, the kid's horrible from beyond 10 feet

Walton is going to want the guys to spread the floor.. look at the shot chart, last thing Simmons will be doing is spreading the floor

Karmaloop · Post #196 » by **Karmaloop** » Wed May 18, 2016 11:01 pm

Man, I wish there was somehow we could add Buddy Hield as well. That shooting with that talent...he'd go nuts. Think Ray Allen like shooting.

The Skyhook · Post #197 » by **The Skyhook** » Wed May 18, 2016 11:05 pm

If you look at just the passing numbers then you're not going to make much of Ingram's play making ability. Having watched him for the majority of his college season I would that his passing game is underrated. He is very good at moving the ball along quickly which will be a big part of Luke's offense. He has also displayed glimpses of being a great playmaker. He won't end up becoming the playmaker Simmons is projected to be, but there were so many times where I came away impressed by his playmaking ability in half court sets and the open floor.

Crooked-I · Post #198 » by **Crooked-I** » Wed May 18, 2016 11:29 pm

I duno when I watch GSW and see Draymond Green, i think his passing and ability to rebound and push is more important than his shooting. And plus, even if we select Ingram we'd still be stuck with Randle at PF who can't shoot either.

It's easier to find an SF that can spread the floor than finding a PF with Simmons skillset. Then hopefully in 2-3 years he'll learn to shoot.

stan francisco · Post #199 » by **stan francisco** » Wed May 18, 2016 11:38 pm

Can I join your club?

I'll be happy with either one, though.

C

SlimShady83 · Post #200 » by **SlimShady83** » Wed May 18, 2016 11:40 pm

we have a whole team who can score on the outside, ok maybe not a whole team but most of them already can and we at this moment don't have anyone who can score on the inside - maybe Randle on a good night when he makes his shots. I remember watching a couple games last year and commentators and evne some of you fans were saying we can't score on in the paint and for this reason I'm choosing Simmons, plus his Aussie and I cheer for my fellow Aussies. On a recent post by Lakernation they have said they are impressed by ingrahm, but think this is them trying to trick philly into taking him instead of Simmons. Lakers want Simmons in my eye.

Who will the Lakers pick?