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Who do the Lakers draft on June 22nd with the 2nd overall pick?

Poll ended at Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:11 pm

Lonzo Ball
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Josh Jackson
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Re: Pick 28. Options? 

Post#181 » by Pointgod » Wed May 17, 2017 10:42 pm

TKainZero wrote:Everyone is focused on pick 2, but at the end of the round the lakers have pick 28, which will be the last pick the lakers have til they use chicagos 2018 2nd rounder (losing their 2018 1st to philly and 2018 2nd to Orlando)

Assuming ball is the choice. (Most mock drafts and the voting majority of laker fans here) where would you look to with pick 28?

Ball
Russell/Clarkson
Ingram/brewer
Randle/nance/deng
Zubac/black/mozgov

Ennis and nwaba are contending to comeback No room for t rob.

I think that perimeter defender would be the best position to grab. A sg/sf with plus defense and athleticism.


Nance was drafted at a similar spot. And Clarkson even later. Jordan farmar and Sasha were prior good draft picks from this area.


Frank Jackson is a name I've seen floated around.
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Thread: Lakeshow edition 

Post#182 » by the7boss » Wed May 17, 2017 10:55 pm

What about packing 28# and 32# for a higher pick to try and grab Harry Giles? I know about the injury concerns but he has the most star potential out of the lottery, we have enough role players already and we can afford ourselves a risk with this low picks.
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Thread: Lakeshow edition 

Post#183 » by Michael Lucky » Wed May 17, 2017 10:57 pm

the7boss wrote:What about packing 28# and 32# for a higher pick to try and grab Harry Giles? I know about the injury concerns but he has the most star potential out of the lottery, we have enough role players already and we can afford ourselves a risk with this low picks.

Our second round pick went to Orlando.
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Thread: Lakeshow edition 

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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Thread: Lakeshow edition 

Post#185 » by the7boss » Wed May 17, 2017 11:05 pm

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the7boss wrote:What about packing 28# and 32# for a higher pick to try and grab Harry Giles? I know about the injury concerns but he has the most star potential out of the lottery, we have enough role players already and we can afford ourselves a risk with this low picks.

Our second round pick went to Orlando.


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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Thread: Lakeshow edition 

Post#186 » by moonpie » Thu May 18, 2017 12:08 am

Draft prospect of the day: Semi Ojeleye (F, SMU)



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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Thread: Lakeshow edition 

Post#187 » by nymets1 » Thu May 18, 2017 12:42 am

I was wondering also about Lonzo Ball other 2 brothers, apparently his 2 brothers are going to make the NBA to? is it really possible one of his brothers could join him on the Lakers team? I would think his 2 brothers would have to play on other teams. I don't think Lonzo Ball could make it work on the Lakers with 1 or both of his brothers. could I be wrong? Maybe the brothers play together when they are considered veterans in the NBA, but I don't see it when starting out their career.

Especially the more the Lakers improve and his 2 brothers are projected to be top picks, than the Lakers wouldn't be in position to draft either of his brothers, and could a team trade his brother's draft rights to the Lakers?
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Thread: Lakeshow edition 

Post#188 » by RamonSessions7 » Thu May 18, 2017 12:47 am

nymets1 wrote:I was wondering also about Lonzo Ball other 2 brothers, apparently his 2 brothers are going to make the NBA to? is it really possible one of his brothers could join him on the Lakers team? I would think his 2 brothers would have to play on other teams. I don't think Lonzo Ball could make it work on the Lakers with 1 or both of his brothers. could I be wrong? Maybe the brothers play together when they are considered veterans in the NBA, but I don't see it when starting out their career.

Especially the more the Lakers improve and his 2 brothers are projected to be top picks, than the Lakers wouldn't be in position to draft either of his brothers, and could a team trade his brother's draft rights to the Lakers?

His 2nd brother doesn't look likely to get drafted and theres no package deal for family members in the nba.
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Thread: Lakeshow edition 

Post#189 » by nymets1 » Thu May 18, 2017 1:00 am

I guess we'll see cause I thought Liangelo and Lamelo are nba bound when they declare.
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Thread: Lakeshow edition 

Post#190 » by Michael Lucky » Thu May 18, 2017 1:01 am

nymets1 wrote:I was wondering also about Lonzo Ball other 2 brothers, apparently his 2 brothers are going to make the NBA to? is it really possible one of his brothers could join him on the Lakers team? I would think his 2 brothers would have to play on other teams. I don't think Lonzo Ball could make it work on the Lakers with 1 or both of his brothers. could I be wrong? Maybe the brothers play together when they are considered veterans in the NBA, but I don't see it when starting out their career.

Especially the more the Lakers improve and his 2 brothers are projected to be top picks, than the Lakers wouldn't be in position to draft either of his brothers, and could a team trade his brother's draft rights to the Lakers?

the second brother is only a 3 star recruit. The youngest brother is ranked 16th in his draft class according to the espn rankings. So maybe he makes it, but more than likely he won't.
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Thread: Lakeshow edition 

Post#191 » by MrWaffles » Thu May 18, 2017 1:04 am

“Go ahead. He ain’t scared of nobody. You want to work them out one-on-one, then you’re going to see what really goes on. I hope the reporters and all the news is in there. De’Aaron Fox had one game for 39 points. Who else did he do that? You’re going to justify his whole career on one game against Lonzo?”



I think Fox wins this easily.
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Thread: Lakeshow edition 

Post#192 » by snaquille oatmeal » Thu May 18, 2017 1:30 am

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nymets1 wrote:I was wondering also about Lonzo Ball other 2 brothers, apparently his 2 brothers are going to make the NBA to? is it really possible one of his brothers could join him on the Lakers team? I would think his 2 brothers would have to play on other teams. I don't think Lonzo Ball could make it work on the Lakers with 1 or both of his brothers. could I be wrong? Maybe the brothers play together when they are considered veterans in the NBA, but I don't see it when starting out their career.

Especially the more the Lakers improve and his 2 brothers are projected to be top picks, than the Lakers wouldn't be in position to draft either of his brothers, and could a team trade his brother's draft rights to the Lakers?

the second brother is only a 3 star recruit. The youngest brother is ranked 16th in his draft class according to the espn rankings. So maybe he makes it, but more than likely he won't.

...and speaking of brothers anybody know what ever happen to the third Gasol brother?
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Thread: Lakeshow edition 

Post#193 » by nymets1 » Thu May 18, 2017 2:10 am

Well we got brothers in the NBA that made it- Marc and Pau Gasol, Markief and Marcus Morris. Who else? If those brothers can make it, Lonzo just needs to get 1 of his 2 brothers to make it. Instead of having just 1 brother and it all comes down to him, Lonzo has 2 brothers. Linangelo and Lamelo have time to get better playing in college.

We've had cousins make it before- T-mac and Vince Carter
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Thread: Lakeshow edition 

Post#194 » by Dr Aki » Thu May 18, 2017 2:51 am

Steph and Seth Curry comes to mind
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Thread: Lakeshow edition 

Post#195 » by Showtime:Part2 » Thu May 18, 2017 3:44 am

Michael Lucky wrote:
the7boss wrote:What about packing 28# and 32# for a higher pick to try and grab Harry Giles? I know about the injury concerns but he has the most star potential out of the lottery, we have enough role players already and we can afford ourselves a risk with this low picks.

Our second round pick went to Orlando.


such a tragedy. im sure theyre thrilled to have it :D
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Prince + filler for Kobe Bryant
To be honest the way Prince has played and with Kobes injury/age/mileage Im not sure I would do that deal either. Still Prince is more important and he wins the head to head battles with Kobe.
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Thread: Lakeshow edition 

Post#196 » by Showtime:Part2 » Thu May 18, 2017 3:55 am

i will puke if we draft mkg.... i mean josh jackson. honestly i think jayson tatum is going to be a stud as well but we already have ingram and badly need a true pg. someone like lonzo who can push the ball, get guys easy shots, hit the 3, and is an excellent transition defender is just what we need. we have too many guys that are looking to create their own shot on this team. ball is perfect. one idea would be to try to trade down for two picks and get dsj and tatum if it's at all possible.
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Prince + filler for Kobe Bryant

To be honest the way Prince has played and with Kobes injury/age/mileage Im not sure I would do that deal either. Still Prince is more important and he wins the head to head battles with Kobe.
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Post#197 » by snaquille oatmeal » Thu May 18, 2017 4:42 am

the Brooks bros
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Thread: Lakeshow edition 

Post#198 » by EArl » Thu May 18, 2017 4:51 am

ak7 wrote:
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Luke won't love how quickly his guards give up points though with a Ball/Russell backcourt.



I agree with AK for once, there is a god folks.


I don't care if you agree with me or not, you've made it quite clear to me that you've never played a lick of reputable competitive basketball in your life. Therefore, I rescind my statement.

Ball/Russell will be the GOAT defensive backcourt.

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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Thread: Lakeshow edition 

Post#199 » by EArl » Thu May 18, 2017 4:58 am

TyCobb wrote:
Slava wrote:
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I'll take your word for it... what did you see?


I'm interested to hear how you see his game transitioning to the NBA level.

Here's what I wrote of him as my main concerns:

Slava wrote:He has some otherwise glaring weaknesses though, the majority of his offense comes in transition, doesn't have a drive and kick game, can't score off screens etc. NBA level defenders can throttle his transition games and force him to create offense in half court sets, which doesn't seem like a strength.


You can add his defensive issues as another concern.


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I feel like I've been saying why he will translate, but I also know that it hasn't been all within the same post. I'm a terrible writer so I get turned off halfway through the post when I try to bear down and put something together. There's like four drafts in my user account, a lot in response to princeinrevolt quotes that I just said F it, let it play out and they will see for themselves in time. :laugh:

Anyways, Lonzo will transform the way we play. We know with Luke that Golden State is our model. Talking with Michael Lucky before, he acknowledges that they play a more motion offense instead of a heavy PNR type style. This is great, because they have players who weren't head and shoulders above one another at ISO scoring--until Durant came that is...

Ball is so great at playing to his strengths and hiding his weaknesses. His awareness and feel for the game is off the charts. He will be what Morey, and probably even D'Antoni, wishes Harden would be. A player who willingly distributes the ball to the high percentage looks, whether that be at the rim, behind the three point line, or looks leading to the free throw line.

What we know about NBA defenses is that a lot of the players already have the athleticism, length, and smarts that the college basketball teams won't showcase as often on a nightly (in college weekly) basis. But Lonzo's unselfishness and willingness to pass counters that by early passes, constant running (can't wait to see how many miles this guy runs a night on SportsVu), and smart-critical passes. Simply put, that ball never sticks and he inspires his teammates (well, we'll see about the pro's who are ego-driven with entitlement) to run the floor and equally share the ball.

I can remember Walton yanking Russell out of games because he wasn't playing fast enough for his liking--this won't be an issue with Lonzo. He creates transition opportunities when they necessarily aren't there to begin with. I cringe when I read he doesn't have great athleticism when it comes in all different forms, speed or power. He is a speed guy and he has bounce. He creates extra transition opportunities from a)playing the passing lanes so well, b)his strong weak side rebounding ability, and c)his early passing. I can't stress that enough. Passing the ball in the air will always beat those feet moving on the ground.

People can talk about pulling up for a j going to his right, but he gets to the rim or shoots deep threes. He doesn't take those low efficiency shots. Now, he will have to go against better rim protectors in the NBA, so he must improve his floaters to keep his rim FG% impressively high like it was in college. He is very shifty while in the air and he uses his left hand quite well to finish.

He does have a drive and kick game, so I don't agree with that assessment. I would worry about his ability in pick and roll if he was a scoring guard. He passes on 74% of PNR. When he doesn't have the Ball, 1.54 PPP on cuts, active and instinctual. And his low usage puts those cuts in play a lot, again because he constantly moves the ball--quick decision maker.

Defensively is where I don't see him get any respect that he deserves. People talk about him getting abused by Fox in the last game, but it was really Bam who took out Welsh with foul trouble and Ball with his screens. Not to mention Ball pulled his hamstring and was laboring the whole time down the stretch. The only thing that got exposed that game was the lack of depth shown from UCLA bigs. Lonzo has great hands, has no problem guarding guys with his body on them (that will be more effective when he adds bulk to his 6'6'' frame), and until then he has great timing to meet them at the rim. He is a hustler and reads offenses almost as good as he runs them. He doesn't get fooled by pump fakes, always stays grounded with his feet, moves them well with his short choppy footwork. Active hands leading to those runouts. Head of snake energy on defense.

All in all, he'll change the dynamics of our offense. He'll take the ball out of our slow decision makers (Julius and to a degree Russell) and give the ball to them in positions where all they have to do is make the next pass or take the open look. He controls the tempo of the game on offense. What he does need to work on his tightening his handle, work on his floater, change his alignment on FT's, and add muscle like any other teenager. He has such an advanced feel for the game for someone his age, it's refreshing.

As always, like reports on Looney's hips, things can change, but what we know now and have seen from Ball--it appears to be a great package.

Cliff notes by Tycobb. Good read. I don't watch much college ball so this brings more perspective into his game. What are your thoughts on Lavar? Do you think he will get in the way of the team in terms of publicity etc?
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Thread: Lakeshow edition 

Post#200 » by TyCobb » Thu May 18, 2017 5:07 am

EArl wrote:Cliff notes by Tycobb. Good read. I don't watch much college ball so this brings more perspective into his game. What are your thoughts on Lavar? Do you think he will get in the way of the team in terms of publicity etc?


Thoughts on Lavar:
- involved father, trying to start a family business. will always be heard in the media because of the free marketing and the media outlets know they can get something controversial out of him.
- all he cares about is Lonzo going to the Lakers, will let him do his thing once this is official.
- is already calming down in his interviews with the ESPN shows and such, showing more honesty--before it was outrageous claims to get a voice, now that he has one, he is cooled off.
- will continue to be scrutinized heavily by the media for whatever individual reason. like that white chick that tried to start stuff with him today on Cowherd's show. she made it personal and he didn't take the bait. actually very intelligent and sound when he is being serious.
- will most likely end up with a reality show, maybe even partnering up with TWC or whatever they are now, spectrum (?) on the lakers station.
- overall threat level to the lakers organization culture? 2. overall threat to any other organization besides the lakers if the lakers pass on him? 6.
- not worried about him at all. he has his stage now, and he'll be as loud, or quiet, as lonzo's play on the court dictates.
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