Lakers Trade IDEAS

[DNP-Old]

I agree. I think whatever resources we have, we can't spend it on a small guard. We need wings. My perfect deal with Orlando would be:

Fultz, Ross, re-signed Gary Harris (3 year deal, team option on the last year, starting at 12M)
for Westbrook, THT, 2027 1st (Top 5 Protected)

That opens up our MLE and BLE to use.

- Sign Bruce Brown, full MLE
- Sign Taurean Prince, BLE
- Sign Melo, Damian Jones, Derrick Jones Jr, Dwight to vet minimums
- Keep Stanley, Reaves

PG: Gary Harris/Fultz/
SG: Ross/Reaves/Nunn/
SF: Brown/Prince/Stanley/
PF: LeBron/Melo/Jones Jr/
C: Davis/Jones/Dwight

LeBron: $44.4
Davis: $38.0
Fultz: $16.5
Ross: $11.5
Harris: $12M
Brown: $10.2
Prince: $4.2M
Nunn: $5.3M
Stanley: $2.4M
Reaves: $1.5M
Carmelo: $2.7M
Jones: $2.0M
Jones Jr: $2.7M
Dwight: $2.7M

What's the hard cap for next year? That roster puts us at $156M - It might get pretty tight.

I'm being a bit picky but a S&T contract has to be a minimum of three years before any option years.

[TylersLakers]

I agree. I think whatever resources we have, we can't spend it on a small guard. We need wings. My perfect deal with Orlando would be:

Fultz, Ross, re-signed Gary Harris (3 year deal, team option on the last year, starting at 12M)
for Westbrook, THT, 2027 1st (Top 5 Protected)

That opens up our MLE and BLE to use.

- Sign Bruce Brown, full MLE
- Sign Taurean Prince, BLE
- Sign Melo, Damian Jones, Derrick Jones Jr, Dwight to vet minimums
- Keep Stanley, Reaves

PG: Gary Harris/Fultz/
SG: Ross/Reaves/Nunn/
SF: Brown/Prince/Stanley/
PF: LeBron/Melo/Jones Jr/
C: Davis/Jones/Dwight

LeBron: $44.4
Davis: $38.0
Fultz: $16.5
Ross: $11.5
Harris: $12M
Brown: $10.2
Prince: $4.2M
Nunn: $5.3M
Stanley: $2.4M
Reaves: $1.5M
Carmelo: $2.7M
Jones: $2.0M
Jones Jr: $2.7M
Dwight: $2.7M

What's the hard cap for next year? That roster puts us at $156M - It might get pretty tight.

I'm being a bit picky but a S&T contract has to be a minimum of three years before any option years.

Ah, okay. I thought it had to be 3 years minimum as long as it has some sort of options attached.

That changes things on Harris, especially salary wise. You’d pay him that amount knowing it’s essentially a 2 year deal.

I’d definitely try to get that at 8-10M if I’m guaranteeing 3 years.

There’s almost no cap space this summer and out of the teams that have the full MLE, who’s spending it on Harris?

[loveshaq786]

If we need mad cap space ... Westbrook, tht, Nunn, and AD ... FOR Isiah, saddiq, olynk and grant

Trade grant and olynk for Kyrie snd Seth or Myles Turner... Or gobert

[WarriorsLakers]

If we need mad cap space ... Westbrook, tht, Nunn, and AD ... FOR Isiah, saddiq, olynk and grant

Trade grant and olynk for Kyrie snd Seth or Myles Turner... Or gobert

even nba2k wont allow those trades

[scoobs07]

A new frontrunner for trades is the Magic.

Magic have bird rights for Gary Harris and Mo Bamba. Lakers could decide to go for SnTs that hardcap them but would open the use of the $10m MLE and $4m BAE.

Magic can take Westbrook and give salary back to Lakers in the form of Ross or Fultz with both Bamba and Harris as SnTs. The beautiful thing about it is that Magic aren't giving all that much up and so pick compensation could be less.

Can sign and traded players be combined with other players? I know the Lakers did it back in the day when they traded Kwame Brown, Caron Butler, and a signed and traded Aaron McKie (0nly one year guaranteed) for Pau Gasol. But, sign and trade rules have changed in subsequent CBAs. I'm not sure if we could still do that. It would be great if we can. Does anybody know?

[scoobs07]

If we could get Bamba for the tax payer or even full MLE, there is a lot of value in that. He is a 24 year old stretch 5 that is also a good shot blocker. I mean, we talk about Myles Turner quite a bit on here, why dont we talk up Bamba more. I mean, he is like a Turner with more upside. This may be the way to go, esspeially if we plan to role with DAvis at the PF and James at the SF. Heck, even if we trade DAvis and move LeBron to PF, Bamba would be a good replacement for AD's rim protection,but hopefully we get some type of good small forward back (maybe Anounoby, erc.).

[zimpy27]

I agree. I think whatever resources we have, we can't spend it on a small guard. We need wings. My perfect deal with Orlando would be:

Fultz, Ross, re-signed Gary Harris (3 year deal, team option on the last year, starting at 12M)
for Westbrook, THT, 2027 1st (Top 5 Protected)

That opens up our MLE and BLE to use.

- Sign Bruce Brown, full MLE
- Sign Taurean Prince, BLE
- Sign Melo, Damian Jones, Derrick Jones Jr, Dwight to vet minimums
- Keep Stanley, Reaves

PG: Gary Harris/Fultz/
SG: Ross/Reaves/Nunn/
SF: Brown/Prince/Stanley/
PF: LeBron/Melo/Jones Jr/
C: Davis/Jones/Dwight

LeBron: $44.4
Davis: $38.0
Fultz: $16.5
Ross: $11.5
Harris: $12M
Brown: $10.2
Prince: $4.2M
Nunn: $5.3M
Stanley: $2.4M
Reaves: $1.5M
Carmelo: $2.7M
Jones: $2.0M
Jones Jr: $2.7M
Dwight: $2.7M

What's the hard cap for next year? That roster puts us at $156M - It might get pretty tight.

I'm being a bit picky but a S&T contract has to be a minimum of three years before any option years.

Ah, okay. I thought it had to be 3 years minimum as long as it has some sort of options attached.

That changes things on Harris, especially salary wise. You’d pay him that amount knowing it’s essentially a 2 year deal.

I’d definitely try to get that at 8-10M if I’m guaranteeing 3 years.

There’s almost no cap space this summer and out of the teams that have the full MLE, who’s spending it on Harris?

I think you can have 3 years with final year non-guaranteed, just not team or player option. It's an odd rule.

[zimpy27]

A new frontrunner for trades is the Magic.

Magic have bird rights for Gary Harris and Mo Bamba. Lakers could decide to go for SnTs that hardcap them but would open the use of the $10m MLE and $4m BAE.

Magic can take Westbrook and give salary back to Lakers in the form of Ross or Fultz with both Bamba and Harris as SnTs. The beautiful thing about it is that Magic aren't giving all that much up and so pick compensation could be less.

Can sign and traded players be combined with other players? I know the Lakers did it back in the day when they traded Kwame Brown, Caron Butler, and a signed and traded Aaron McKie (0nly one year guaranteed) for Pau Gasol. But, sign and trade rules have changed in subsequent CBAs. I'm not sure if we could still do that. It would be great if we can. Does anybody know?

Yeah definitely. You can have more than one of them traded together.

[scoobs07]

A new frontrunner for trades is the Magic.

Magic have bird rights for Gary Harris and Mo Bamba. Lakers could decide to go for SnTs that hardcap them but would open the use of the $10m MLE and $4m BAE.

Magic can take Westbrook and give salary back to Lakers in the form of Ross or Fultz with both Bamba and Harris as SnTs. The beautiful thing about it is that Magic aren't giving all that much up and so pick compensation could be less.

Can sign and traded players be combined with other players? I know the Lakers did it back in the day when they traded Kwame Brown, Caron Butler, and a signed and traded Aaron McKie (0nly one year guaranteed) for Pau Gasol. But, sign and trade rules have changed in subsequent CBAs. I'm not sure if we could still do that. It would be great if we can. Does anybody know?

Yeah definitely. You can have more than one of them traded together.

Good to know. Might make a potential Zach LaVine, etc. trade a bit easier. I like your suggestion a lot though.

[stan francisco]

A new frontrunner for trades is the Magic.

Magic have bird rights for Gary Harris and Mo Bamba. Lakers could decide to go for SnTs that hardcap them but would open the use of the $10m MLE and $4m BAE.

Magic can take Westbrook and give salary back to Lakers in the form of Ross or Fultz with both Bamba and Harris as SnTs. The beautiful thing about it is that Magic aren't giving all that much up and so pick compensation could be less.

Can sign and traded players be combined with other players? I know the Lakers did it back in the day when they traded Kwame Brown, Caron Butler, and a signed and traded Aaron McKie (0nly one year guaranteed) for Pau Gasol. But, sign and trade rules have changed in subsequent CBAs. I'm not sure if we could still do that. It would be great if we can. Does anybody know?

Yeah definitely. You can have more than one of them traded together.

I like this plan.

EDIT: Beats having $47M riding the pine until the deadline. Any plan that ships out Westbrook and doesn’t destroy us long term (Deng), I’m for it.

[LAL1947]

I think the main question for the Lakers FO is, what should we try to do here?

A) Should we try to win one last title with Lebron/AD?
B) Should we start positioning ourselves right now to get the next young star player in year 7 of their contracts who could be disgruntled on their current teams? For example: Luka, Lamelo, insert other young star you fancy here who is 24yo and below.

Time is of the essence and we can't half-ass it either way, know what I mean? If we want option A, we have to go all out and win that ring to make it worthwhile (seems really hard to do because of Westbrook). If we want to do option B, we also have to go all out and trade Lebron + AD now to get the best return of assets back.

[scoobs07]

I think the main question for the Lakers FO is, what should we try to do here?

A) Should we try to win one last title with Lebron/AD?
B) Should we start positioning ourselves right now to get the next young star player in year 7 of their contracts who could be disgruntled on their current teams? For example: Luka, Lamelo, insert other young star you fancy here who is 24yo and below.

Time is of the essence and we can't half-ass it either way, know what I mean? If we want option A, we have to go all out and win that ring to make it worthwhile (seems really hard to do because of Westbrook). If we want to do option B, we also have to go all out and trade Lebron + AD now to get the best return of assets back.

I agree. None of this mediocre stuff. Sometimes you just have to cut your losses.

[scoobs07]

I think the main question for the Lakers FO is, what should we try to do here?

A) Should we try to win one last title with Lebron/AD?
B) Should we start positioning ourselves right now to get the next young star player in year 7 of their contracts who could be disgruntled on their current teams? For example: Luka, Lamelo, insert other young star you fancy here who is 24yo and below.

Time is of the essence and we can't half-ass it either way, know what I mean? If we want option A, we have to go all out and win that ring to make it worthwhile (seems really hard to do because of Westbrook). If we want to do option B, we also have to go all out and trade Lebron + AD now to get the best return of assets back.

I could easily see LeMelo as a future Laker. We could actually trade for Lonzo now, and sign LiAngelo in the future, which would help. But in all seriousness, LeMelo to me is like a modern day Magic Johnson. Tall, exceptional passing point guard with a ton of charisma. The kid is marketable. He has his own cereal now lol.

[LAL1947]

I could easily see LeMelo as a future Laker.

Hehe, I can see it too... but I'm keeping my fingers and toes crossed for Luka in his year 7.

We could actually trade for Lonzo now, and sign LiAngelo in the future, which would help.

That might help with Lamelo... but it's not what I meant by positioning. I meant we need to get some good picks and young players that will play alongside any star we attract in free agency as well as to use in trades.

[Lakers24gm]

Dunc’d on podcast just did there offseason preview for Lakers. Some interesting thoughts.

Don’t see the Lakers being able to trade Westbrook and being that much better because he’s such a negative contract. Would go into the season with him and See how AD and Lebron are playing.

Danny brought up the point you keep Westbrook you loose that salary slot and with Lebron and AD making so much you won’t have much cap space to make it worth it.

Some min names they brought up. Damion Lee, PJ Dozier, Derrick Jones Jr, Bryan Forbes, Austin Rivers, Bjelica, Tauren Prince, Juancho Hermangomez and Boogie Cousins. MMLE Victor Oladipo offer him starting role.

[LAL1947]

Some min names they brought up. Damion Lee, PJ Dozier, Derrick Jones Jr, Bryan Forbes, Austin Rivers, Bjelica, Tauren Prince, Juancho Hermangomez and Boogie Cousins. MMLE Victor Oladipo offer him starting role.

Thanks for sharing! That's a decent list of names TBH. Oladipo could be a steal.

Another name I hope the FO adds to this list: Jericho Sims.

What's the point in having the Klutch connection if Rich Paul can't bring him over from NY? He's a very good defender and very mobile, won't cost much either. He can be our version of Robert Williams III. Sims needs coaching on offense though (Handy is back to help, plus Sheed can help as a fellow big, and the team could spend a little money on sessions with Hakeem?)... and needs to work on his free throws. I'd be quite excited if we signed this kid. Super dunker too.

[zimpy27]

Dunc’d on podcast just did there offseason preview for Lakers. Some interesting thoughts.

Don’t see the Lakers being able to trade Westbrook and being that much better because he’s such a negative contract. Would go into the season with him and See how AD and Lebron are playing.

Danny brought up the point you keep Westbrook you loose that salary slot and with Lebron and AD making so much you won’t have much cap space to make it worth it.

Some min names they brought up. Damion Lee, PJ Dozier, Derrick Jones Jr, Bryan Forbes, Austin Rivers, Bjelica, Tauren Prince, Juancho Hermangomez and Boogie Cousins. MMLE Victor Oladipo offer him starting role.

Firstly, Lakers have to be convincing enough to fans that they are keeping Westbrook if they don't want to get fleeced in a trade. So the moment fans are convinced that Westbrook is coming back then that's the moment when Lakers can get a fair deal. That means that if a Westbrook trade happens then it should be a surprise to fans. With that in mind, it's best to plan for Westbrook to come back regardless.

I think Lakers are taking the right path, they are working out young FAs that haven't had a good role on teams in the past. They are looking for players that may have been left behind because of a role issue. Lakers realize the young players last season were the shining light and the athleticism they give is critical to making this team work.

[zuju]

Is there are possibility we could do a sign and trade for Beal ?

What would be the implication to the salary situation after the trade ?

[DNP-Old]

Is there are possibility we could do a sign and trade for Beal ?

What would be the implication to the salary situation after the trade ?

The two biggest issues LAL has in a S&T for Beal are they don't have any money for the sign part and they don't have anything of value for the trade part.

[TylersLakers]

Is there are possibility we could do a sign and trade for Beal ?

What would be the implication to the salary situation after the trade ?

It would be almost impossible unless they wanted Russ. Now, if Beal says "Hey, trade me to the Lakers" do they make the deal? It's better to get something for him than lose him for nothing.

The other issue is the hard cap - if they sign and trade for Beal for a starting salary at $42.6M (let's pretend Russ, x2 2nd round picks, x2 1st round picks) you're looking at the following:

LeBron: $44.5M
Beal: $42.6M
Davis: $38M
THT: $10.3M
Nunn: $5.2M
Reaves: $1.5M

= $142.1 M Total.

The hard cap is going to be around $155M. So you literally have 13M to fill in 7-8 spots. If they trade THT into someone's cap space (say Orlando), and take back no salary - then you have $23M in space. That would allow us to use the tax-payer MLE ($6M). And then have some more wiggle room for the rest of the roster.

If they want Beal, they're going to have to do their work early behind the scenes and get him to go to management and say "I want to be traded to the Lakers. Make it happen and I'll opt-in." Similar to what happened with Chris Paul. If THAT happens, the deal to make is:

Russ, Nunn, THT, Reaves = $64.1M + 2 1st round picks (2027, 2029)

for Beal, Porzingis = $70.5M - If I'm Washington, I'm going all-out to clear space. After this year, they'd have only Rui, Avdija, Gafford, Kispert, Todd and maybe Kuzma and THT on their books.

That wouldn't hard cap the Lakers, and they'd have the ability to use their tax payer MLE and all vet minimums without concern. Then you'd have a roster of Beal, Porzingis, LeBron, AD, Stanley, Gabriel. You could make a Championship core out of that team. Say Otto Porter likes the look of that for the MLE, and they get a few other good vet minimums (Melo, Taurean Prince, Derrick Jones Jr, Delon Wright, Forbes, Damian Jones, Dwight, Austin Rivers)

PG: LeBron/Delon Wright/Rivers
SG: Beal/Prince/Forbes
SF: Porter/Jones Jr/Stanley
PF: AD/Melo/Gabriel
C: Porzingis/Jones/Dwight

Can all those guys stay healthy? If they can at a reasonable rate..