2015 Lakers Trade Deadline thread

ennui · Post #21 » by **ennui** » Tue May 6, 2014 9:14 pm

TyCobb wrote:
dockingsched wrote:There are a few players that I'd quit on the Lakers if they were signed. Cousins, Josh Smith and Brandon Jennings top that list.

Agreed.

Post #22 » by **dockingsched** » Tue May 6, 2014 9:16 pm

if the pick wasn't in the top 3 i'd make that trade in a heart beat, doubt SAC would.

ak7 · Post #23 » by **ak7** » Tue May 6, 2014 9:40 pm

dockingsched wrote:if the pick wasn't in the top 3 i'd make that trade in a heart beat, doubt SAC would.

I was just about to post this. From a value (and talent) standpoint I don't think you can argue that Cousins > anything out of the top 3.

LApwnd · Post #24 » by **LApwnd** » Tue May 6, 2014 10:19 pm

Cousin is probably even worse than Sheed when it comes to this maturity thing. Guy seems to be getting worse in that department over the years. Seems as though the more talented he gets the worse his personality gets on the court and in the locker room.

RamonSessions7 · Post #25 » by **RamonSessions7** » Tue May 6, 2014 10:28 pm

Sac wouldn't do it

Michael Lucky · Post #26 » by **Michael Lucky** » Tue May 6, 2014 11:29 pm

Probably not, although their history with DMC isn't flattering and there have been rumors throughout the years that they would consider trading him.

Doormatt · Post #27 » by **Doormatt** » Wed May 7, 2014 2:30 am

the problem with DMC is he doesnt play any defense nor does he have the potential really. you cant have a center in todays NBA that cant protect the rim, its what pretty much every defense is built around that doesnt play small ball (aka the heat).

i think hes super overrated offensively too, he put up pretty numbers becuase SAC lets him do pretty much whatever he wants and he can shoot as often as hed like. i question whether he can be effective playing team ball with other great players.

Post #28 » by **TyCobb** » Wed May 7, 2014 2:39 am

He's 23 with 4 full NBA seasons under his belt. I wouldn't say he doesn't have room to improve.

Doormatt · Post #29 » by **Doormatt** » Wed May 7, 2014 2:53 am

TyCobb wrote:He's 23 with 4 full NBA seasons under his belt. I wouldn't say he doesn't have room to improve.

he can barely jump off the ground and hasnt shown the instincts that we've seen from good defensive players, i dont really see how he has the room to improve. who knows maybe theres a coach out there that knows how to use him, but you cant just throw him on any team and expect good defense.

guys like anthony davis and larry sanders have shown very early on that they get it. DMC hasnt really shown that.

Post #30 » by **TyCobb** » Wed May 7, 2014 2:59 am

Put him in a competent organization and he'll blossom.

Post #31 » by **Slava** » Wed May 7, 2014 3:01 am

He's got to play PF and play like griffin, by facilitating more from the high post. He has the passing skills to do that. He's not going to be anything more than average defensively but my biggest issue with him is that he's an insufferable hitch that irritates the carp out f everyone and has a punch able mug.

myersia · Post #32 » by **myersia** » Wed May 7, 2014 3:25 am

It's simple. Cousins has a lot of issues but his talent level is better than anyone in the draft to be honest. He is extremely immature and lacks a real mentor. However, given his age much like a young sheed, when Cousin finally "gets it" he will be one the most dominant players in the NBA. He is that talented. He just needs a mentor to help him buy in and understand his potential while also becoming humble. Cousins has the talent to be a great. Call me crazy but the talent is there. IQ is there. Unfortunately he is one of the players that really needed to stay in school to mature as a man. Coach Calipari was not the assh*le he needed for direction. Wish he would have went to Duke, Carolina, or even Georgetown. He needs to grow as a man. Shaq is not the right role model for him. However, at this state in his career Kobe out of the all the people could help DeMarcus reach his potential. He needs someone to tell him to shut the f*ck up and play basketball. Kobe and a badass coach that doesn't take sh*t from him would be perfect.

Post #33 » by **dockingsched** » Wed May 7, 2014 3:35 am

honestly don't even know why cousins is being talked about. i don't like cousins at all, wouldn't take him, but what seems to be pretty apparent is that the kings wouldn't trade him for a #6-7 pick, and the lakers would be crazy to trade a top 3 pick for him, so the discussion is moot.

Doormatt · Post #34 » by **Doormatt** » Wed May 7, 2014 3:58 am

best part is OP is not even a kings fan lol

Post #35 » by **Kilroy** » Wed May 7, 2014 4:10 am

TyCobb wrote:Put him in a competent organization and he'll blossom.

If we're going to do that, let's wait and see if Indy blinks on Hibbert...

Post #36 » by **TyCobb** » Wed May 7, 2014 4:12 am

Really? I think Hibbert's lazy eye is fully shut now. He seems to be regressing.

Post #37 » by **Kilroy** » Wed May 7, 2014 4:48 am

TyCobb wrote:Really? I think Hibbert's lazy eye is fully shut now. He seems to be regressing.

Right organization and all that...

The fact of the matter is, neither one of them is overly special, but when Hibbert's on, he has more impact on the game than Cousins does... Cousins is a little more consistent, but I think if you have 2 similarly skilled players, you take the 7' 3" guy every time...
I figure if Hibbert becomes available, he'll probably demand what Cousins does in trade so it's really about which guy do you think might have more up side... To me that's Hibbert...

That said... I'd take Marc Gasol over either of them if the money's the same.

Doormatt · Post #38 » by **Doormatt** » Wed May 7, 2014 4:58 am

in fairness to hibbert the entire pacers team has been garbage for awhile now. PG just finally had a good game too.

denimourson · Post #39 » by **denimourson** » Wed May 7, 2014 12:56 pm

Kilroy wrote:
TyCobb wrote:Really? I think Hibbert's lazy eye is fully shut now. He seems to be regressing.

Right organization and all that...

The fact of the matter is, neither one of them is overly special, but when Hibbert's on, he has more impact on the game than Cousins does... Cousins is a little more consistent, but I think if you have 2 similarly skilled players, you take the 7' 3" guy every time...
I figure if Hibbert becomes available, he'll probably demand what Cousins does in trade so it's really about which guy do you think might have more up side... To me that's Hibbert...

That said... I'd take Marc Gasol over either of them if the money's the same.

Hibbert is only useful when he goes up against Miami due to the verticallity rule. Please name me one game or playoff series where he's had a good or deepful impact on the outcome of a game?.

Post #40 » by **Kilroy** » Wed May 7, 2014 3:39 pm

denimourson wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
TyCobb wrote:Really? I think Hibbert's lazy eye is fully shut now. He seems to be regressing.

Right organization and all that...

The fact of the matter is, neither one of them is overly special, but when Hibbert's on, he has more impact on the game than Cousins does... Cousins is a little more consistent, but I think if you have 2 similarly skilled players, you take the 7' 3" guy every time...
I figure if Hibbert becomes available, he'll probably demand what Cousins does in trade so it's really about which guy do you think might have more up side... To me that's Hibbert...

That said... I'd take Marc Gasol over either of them if the money's the same.

Hibbert is only useful when he goes up against Miami due to the verticallity rule. Please name me one game or playoff series where he's had a good or deepful impact on the outcome of a game?.

Is this where I say "Do the same thing for DMC?" Remember to include all the times his emotional problems negatively effected his team...

The point I made was that if Demarcus Cousins is a good candidate for the Lakers because our franchise can straighten out his head issues and teach him how to better play the game, why settle for Cousins? Hibbert has more raw pieces and a higher up side... Plus he fits the mold of the dominant LA Center much better...