Trade ideas using Beverly, Nunn, and smaller contracts

[tamaraw08]

Beverly & a 2nd for Cam Reddish & Isaiah Hartenstein... Lineup:

PG: Schroder & Russ
SG: Walker & Reaves
SF: LBJ & Brown
PF: Reddish & Gabriel
C: AD & Hartenstein

Sorry, but that PG rotation made me barf up a bit of sour in my mouth. Defense?

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[TylersLakers]

Bev, Nunn, 2 FRPs for extended Jerami Grant

We could've had him last season for way less.

[loveshaq786]

"The Detroit Pistons are listening when they get trade calls on a number of veterans on their roster. Detroit is also, somewhat surprisingly, open to listening when they get calls about third-year forward Saddiq Bey.

Bey is having an up-and-down year, as he's gone back and forth from starting to coming off the bench. After acquiring Bojan Bogdanovic, the Pistons opened the season with Bey and Bogdanovic starting together. In recent weeks, they've transitioned to starting two traditional big men and bringing Bey off the bench.

That has Detroit open to moving Bey for the "right price". What that "right price" is remains an open question. It is clear that the Pistons aren't shutting down suitors though.

JAMES L. EDWARDS/THE ATHLETIC"

yoooo, so down for bogz and bey!

Beverly, jones, Nunn and a UNPROTECTED first for bogz and bey

[loveshaq786]

"The Detroit Pistons are listening when they get trade calls on a number of veterans on their roster. Detroit is also, somewhat surprisingly, open to listening when they get calls about third-year forward Saddiq Bey.

Bey is having an up-and-down year, as he's gone back and forth from starting to coming off the bench. After acquiring Bojan Bogdanovic, the Pistons opened the season with Bey and Bogdanovic starting together. In recent weeks, they've transitioned to starting two traditional big men and bringing Bey off the bench.

That has Detroit open to moving Bey for the "right price". What that "right price" is remains an open question. It is clear that the Pistons aren't shutting down suitors though.

JAMES L. EDWARDS/THE ATHLETIC"

yoooo, so down for bogz and bey!

Beverly, jones, Nunn and a UNPROTECTED first for bogz and bey

if that deal falls out.... Beverly, brown, Juan, and jones and Unprotected first for PJ Washington and oubre

than pull the trigger for cam reddish for nunn

[tamaraw08]

"The Detroit Pistons are listening when they get trade calls on a number of veterans on their roster. Detroit is also, somewhat surprisingly, open to listening when they get calls about third-year forward Saddiq Bey.

Bey is having an up-and-down year, as he's gone back and forth from starting to coming off the bench. After acquiring Bojan Bogdanovic, the Pistons opened the season with Bey and Bogdanovic starting together. In recent weeks, they've transitioned to starting two traditional big men and bringing Bey off the bench.

That has Detroit open to moving Bey for the "right price". What that "right price" is remains an open question. It is clear that the Pistons aren't shutting down suitors though.

JAMES L. EDWARDS/THE ATHLETIC"

yoooo, so down for bogz and bey!

Beverly, jones, Nunn and a UNPROTECTED first for bogz and bey

if that deal falls out.... Beverly, brown, Juan, and jones and Unprotected first for PJ Washington and oubre

than pull the trigger for cam reddish for nunn

Omg here we fo again with this silly trade for Cam Reddish idea. This guy is currently shooting 30% from 3, shot under 28% last year, career % of 32%
this guy brings nothing to the table except he’s another Klutch guy.

[DanishLakerFan]

Cam Reddish is a scrub about to get overpaid. And Evan Fournier is a scrub on a bad deal. Why on earth are the Lakers even remotely interested in those guys?

[SlimShady83]

Cam Reddish is a scrub about to get overpaid. And Evan Fournier is a scrub on a bad deal. Why on earth are the Lakers even remotely interested in those guys?

Because both are better then Nunn and Bev

[SlimShady83]

"The Detroit Pistons are listening when they get trade calls on a number of veterans on their roster. Detroit is also, somewhat surprisingly, open to listening when they get calls about third-year forward Saddiq Bey.

Bey is having an up-and-down year, as he's gone back and forth from starting to coming off the bench. After acquiring Bojan Bogdanovic, the Pistons opened the season with Bey and Bogdanovic starting together. In recent weeks, they've transitioned to starting two traditional big men and bringing Bey off the bench.

That has Detroit open to moving Bey for the "right price". What that "right price" is remains an open question. It is clear that the Pistons aren't shutting down suitors though.

JAMES L. EDWARDS/THE ATHLETIC"

yoooo, so down for bogz and bey!

Beverly, jones, Nunn and a UNPROTECTED first for bogz and bey

if that deal falls out.... Beverly, brown, Juan, and jones and Unprotected first for PJ Washington and oubre

than pull the trigger for cam reddish for nunn

Omg here we fo again with this silly trade for Cam Reddish idea. This guy is currently shooting 30% from 3, shot under 28% last year, career % of 32%
this guy brings nothing to the table except he’s another Klutch guy.

I for one can't wait for Bron/AD and Klutch sports to be off this team

[DanishLakerFan]

Cam Reddish is a scrub about to get overpaid. And Evan Fournier is a scrub on a bad deal. Why on earth are the Lakers even remotely interested in those guys?

Because both are better then Nunn and Bev

Beverley has been one of the best defenders at his position so far this season. But his offense is off and he's shooting 25% from 3. Once he starts hitting his career numbers (which he should), then he's going to be solid. The fact that he's playing defense at this level would suggest that his drop in offense isn't due to loss of athleticism which is why it is likely that we'll see him improve.

Fournier has steadily declined over the past few seasons and he's massively overpaid. Cam Reddish is a guy who could improve but he's about to get paid despite having shown an ability to shoot or defend all that well.

Nunn is.... bad.

[Liam_Gallagher]

Beverley shot a career 38% from 3, Nunn had 36% 2 seasons in Miami, shot 38% the prior year he got injured. What are the chances they both struggle this season while having poor shooters like JTA, TBJ, AD, Russ as teammates? BTW Lebron is shooting under 32% himself. I like Hield but I’m not sure Ham likes his defense. This team got rid of 5 players who shot above 38% from last year because they can’t play defense. Most like Josh Richardson but I saw this guy really struggle in both Dallas and Philly, I really think players looked great in Miami but later regress once they leave their great trainers there.

Players NEVER live up to their 3pt percentage when they become Lakers. Fans know this.

NEVER? Last season Monk,Bradley and Ellington shot 40%, Melo shor 37.5%, Augustine shot 42% even Dambouya and Howard shot great albeit they barely attempted enough. The main reason their overall % was down was AD, THT and Russ were so bad and they were not exactly being judicious taking them.

None of those players had any expectations though, and they aren't known as shooters. Going back to early 2000s, shooters just seem to always cave when they become Lakers. From Glen Rice, to Vlade Radmanovic, even Steve Nash shot 33% in his last year here. Reggie Bullock, Danny Green to name a few more.

It just feels like if we get Bogdnovic from Detroit, he's going to come here and shoot 33% from 3PT land.

[tamaraw08]

Players NEVER live up to their 3pt percentage when they become Lakers. Fans know this.

NEVER? Last season Monk,Bradley and Ellington shot 40%, Melo shor 37.5%, Augustine shot 42% even Dambouya and Howard shot great albeit they barely attempted enough. The main reason their overall % was down was AD, THT and Russ were so bad and they were not exactly being judicious taking them.

None of those players had any expectations though, and they aren't known as shooters. Going back to early 2000s, shooters just seem to always cave when they become Lakers. From Glen Rice, to Vlade Radmanovic, even Steve Nash shot 33% in his last year here. Reggie Bullock, Danny Green to name a few more.

It just feels like if we get Bogdnovic from Detroit, he's going to come here and shoot 33% from 3PT land.

I get now what you are saying, The expectations are just so high once they sign them but it's not like all these players just shot 30% all of a sudden. Rice shot 39.3 his first year here. I think it's also related to their role and how many shots they take, like his attempts/game just dipped to 2.9 making it difficult to get into a good shooting rhythm when he played under Phil with Shaq and Kobe.
Vlade actually shot 40% in 166 games with the Lakers which is 2nd highest in his career with any team.
But yes, there were players like Bullock who are a huge disappointment, but no way Ellington and Monk were acquired with zero expectations for them to shoot well.

[Liam_Gallagher]

NEVER? Last season Monk,Bradley and Ellington shot 40%, Melo shor 37.5%, Augustine shot 42% even Dambouya and Howard shot great albeit they barely attempted enough. The main reason their overall % was down was AD, THT and Russ were so bad and they were not exactly being judicious taking them.

None of those players had any expectations though, and they aren't known as shooters. Going back to early 2000s, shooters just seem to always cave when they become Lakers. From Glen Rice, to Vlade Radmanovic, even Steve Nash shot 33% in his last year here. Reggie Bullock, Danny Green to name a few more.

It just feels like if we get Bogdnovic from Detroit, he's going to come here and shoot 33% from 3PT land.

I get now what you are saying, The expectations are just so high once they sign them but it's not like all these players just shot 30% all of a sudden. Rice shot 39.3 his first year here. I think it's also related to their role and how many shots they take, like his attempts/game just dipped to 2.9 making it difficult to get into a good shooting rhythm when he played under Phil with Shaq and Kobe.
Vlade actually shot 40% in 166 games with the Lakers which is 2nd highest in his career with any team.
But yes, there were players like Bullock who are a huge disappointment, but no way Ellington and Monk were acquired with zero expectations for them to shoot well.

Yes, Rice shot 39% in his first year here but he also shot a blazing 47% two years before, so he clearly dipped. He was even worse his second year here. I didn't realize Vlade shot so well, I know he shot 33% in his first year as a Laker and maybe his skiing incident played a factor in my biased memory of him. I'm not saying all players stink at shooting when they become Lakers, in fact some players actually shoot well when they aren't even known as shooters, like Markieff Morris in 2020 and Lonnie Walker this year.

But when it comes to sharp shooters, they always seem to be affected by the bright lights and it's understandable.

[tamaraw08]

None of those players had any expectations though, and they aren't known as shooters. Going back to early 2000s, shooters just seem to always cave when they become Lakers. From Glen Rice, to Vlade Radmanovic, even Steve Nash shot 33% in his last year here. Reggie Bullock, Danny Green to name a few more.

It just feels like if we get Bogdnovic from Detroit, he's going to come here and shoot 33% from 3PT land.

I get now what you are saying, The expectations are just so high once they sign them but it's not like all these players just shot 30% all of a sudden. Rice shot 39.3 his first year here. I think it's also related to their role and how many shots they take, like his attempts/game just dipped to 2.9 making it difficult to get into a good shooting rhythm when he played under Phil with Shaq and Kobe.
Vlade actually shot 40% in 166 games with the Lakers which is 2nd highest in his career with any team.
But yes, there were players like Bullock who are a huge disappointment, but no way Ellington and Monk were acquired with zero expectations for them to shoot well.

Yes, Rice shot 39% in his first year here but he also shot a blazing 47% two years before, so he clearly dipped. He was even worse his second year here. I didn't realize Vlade shot so well, I know he shot 33% in his first year as a Laker and maybe his skiing incident played a factor in my biased memory of him. I'm not saying all players stink at shooting when they become Lakers, in fact some players actually shoot well when they aren't even known as shooters, like Markieff Morris in 2020 and Lonnie Walker this year.

But when it comes to sharp shooters, they always seem to be affected by the bright lights and it's understandable.

Bright lights, number of shots taken and huge expectations are major factors imo. Never knew Vlad Rad shot well either, I also thought Ellington shot poorly but as Lakers fans we fully expect them to shoot consistently great every game especially when AD and Lebron get doubled.

[Kilroy]

Don't give up any picks on any trades with AD out with an indefinite return... At least a month, puts us at the end of Jan, that doesn't leave a whole lot of time to figure it out again...

[tamaraw08]

Don't give up any picks on any trades with AD out with an indefinite return... At least a month, puts us at the end of Jan, that doesn't leave a whole lot of time to figure it out again...

What does not giving up on any picks and waiting until end of January accomplish? They make no moves, for the next 30 games, and they go 10 wins and 20 losses, they would be definitely out of the playoffs.
They do everything possible and help this team bolster the lineup like getting a legit big who patrols the middle like Turner and a certified shooter like Hield and they have a chance to go like 16-14, AD comes back rested and hopefully healthy, then they have a chance at the playoffs.

Meanwhile other superstars like Doncic, Giannis, SGA and taking notice at theIR FULL COMMITMENT to help Lebron the best chances to win. You don't make a move and no superstar in their right mind would consider joining this team.
I understand those 2 picks are important but it's not like they have ZERO PICKS the next 5-7 years. They have a low FRP coming and still either '24 or '25, '26 and '28 and ALL 2nd round picks where they hopefully find the next Clarkson, Hart, Kuz, even undrafted ones like Caruso and Reaves and BTW, their payroll would be clean by 2025.

[Kilroy]

Don't give up any picks on any trades with AD out with an indefinite return... At least a month, puts us at the end of Jan, that doesn't leave a whole lot of time to figure it out again...

What does not giving up on any picks and waiting until end of January accomplish? They make no moves, for the next 30 games, and they go 10 wins and 20 losses, they would be definitely out of the playoffs.
They do everything possible and help this team bolster the lineup like getting a legit big who patrols the middle like Turner and a certified shooter like Hield and they have a chance to go like 16-14, AD comes back rested and hopefully healthy, then they have a chance at the playoffs.

Meanwhile other superstars like Doncic, Giannis, SGA and taking notice at theIR FULL COMMITMENT to help Lebron the best chances to win. You don't make a move and no superstar in their right mind would consider joining this team.
I understand those 2 picks are important but it's not like they have ZERO PICKS the next 5-7 years. They have a low FRP coming and still either '24 or '25, '26 and '28 and ALL 2nd round picks where they hopefully find the next Clarkson, Hart, Kuz, even undrafted ones like Caruso and Reaves and BTW, their payroll would be clean by 2025.

Without AD, there's no available talent that will make this team a legit championship contender.... So it's not smart to burn future assets in what amounts to virtue signaling...

[SlimShady83]

Just get the Pacers deal done then do the Cam reddish deal And you good to go

[DanishLakerFan]

Nunn + Christie for PJ Washington.

[Pythagoras]

Just get the Pacers deal done then do the Cam reddish deal And you good to go

If they had done the Pacers deal this offseason, the team likely has at least 6 if not 7 more wins. How different would this season feel at 19 - 11 or 20 - 10…

Sigh

[SlimShady83]

Just get the Pacers deal done then do the Cam reddish deal And you good to go

If they had done the Pacers deal this offseason, the team likely has at least 6 if not 7 more wins. How different would this season feel at 19 - 11 or 20 - 10…

Sigh

Then If you have the money <> Not sure If they would after the Pacers trade, go get Irving In the off season and you're good to go.

But maybe that's why they haven't pulled the pacers deal because they know they won't have the $$$ to get Irving, but I'm sure they could convince Irving to take less $$$ and say hey Lakers will pay you good $$$ Later??