Shams: Rui Hachimura to Lakers

[mcscotty]

Don't know much about Rui. Anyone break down his game? How good is he? I don't like how he is a RFA but it was a cheap price

Poor man's Kawhi.

[TylersLakers]

He's not perfect but he's absolutely needed.

Get Bogdanovic or Malik Beasley and we're cooking.

[cheese318]

Great deal. Rui has an $18 million dollar cap hold though, and they’ve already said they plan to re-sign him. His cap hold effectively ends any plans to go big time spending in FA this offseason.

I’m highly pleased about this move.

Rui can be used in a sign and trade, his caphold can be renounced and he can be signed to a cheaper contract or we could sign a player that that’s 120% of our remaining capspace. All I’m saying is this doesn’t mean anything in regards to free agents. Besides the free agent market this year is pretty weak.

Exactly doesn’t mean anything. Could just be a rental if they’re truly just trying to improve without giving up those FRP’s. Signs point to that they are going to make another trade and take more salary on but if they don’t do anything major Rui does not stop them from signing a big free agent next year as they can just renounce his rights to open the salary necessary.

[cheese318]

Solid talent pick up for very little, but very questionable fit. Doubt Bron is the least bit thrilled about this move. It’s been pretty clear for quite some time now that Pelinka doesn’t know how to build a team. Another weak defender with questionable outside shooting is right on par. Theirs is some upside to Rui though so I gotta give him Pelinka that.

Actually he’s not a weak defender. Metrics say other wise.

“ Hachimura fares well in most defensive metrics, ranging from an above-average defender (plus-0.3 in defensive RAPTOR) to a good defender (plus-0.9 in defensive EPM). The video shows a talented and physically gifted defender who can improve his effort, consistency and awareness. The Lakers are optimistic that playing in head coach Darvin Ham’s system and alongside veterans like Davis, James, Westbrook and Beverley will help bring out Hachimura’s unrealized defensive potential.”

This was a home run trade for Pelinka for the value he gave to get him. He can write it off for a three second rounders if it doesn’t work. And if you didn’t know LAL can buy a few 2nds over the next few years and they are replaced that quickly.

[dAdo dA dEvil]

I like this trade because we actually got bigger and Nunn is not playing like what I'd expected from him.

[EArl]

I love Rui. I'm excited for this trade.

[Pointgod]

Great deal. Rui has an $18 million dollar cap hold though, and they’ve already said they plan to re-sign him. His cap hold effectively ends any plans to go big time spending in FA this offseason.

I’m highly pleased about this move.

Rui can be used in a sign and trade, his caphold can be renounced and he can be signed to a cheaper contract or we could sign a player that that’s 120% of our remaining capspace. All I’m saying is this doesn’t mean anything in regards to free agents. Besides the free agent market this year is pretty weak.

Exactly doesn’t mean anything. Could just be a rental if they’re truly just trying to improve without giving up those FRP’s. Signs point to that they are going to make another trade and take more salary on but if they don’t do anything major Rui does not stop them from signing a big free agent next year as they can just renounce his rights to open the salary necessary.

Yeah I think a lot of people are still stuck in the old model of free agency. If player is hell bent on leaving, they usually find a way of getting to their preferred destination. Not that I’m advocating this, but if James Harden wanted to go to LA, the Lakers have 3 picks to send to the Sixers and salary to match (including Rui if we need to). Much better for the Sixers than losing him for nothing under the old free agency model.

[Liam_Gallagher]

I like him as a player and prospect, but I'm not sure about the fit. It's looking like he only attempts around three 3s per game, I'd like to see that go up. The team needs shooters, but easier said than done. Does Rui start?

G - Schroder | WB
G - Bev | Lonnie | Max
F - LeBron | Austin | Troy
F - Rui | Wenyen | Juan
C - AD | Bryant

[bb22]

Good young pickup for almost nothing.
With Austin and Lonnie coming back, Nunn was out of the rotation anyway.
Health + 1 solid move away from making a run in the second half of the season.

[MikeTheKid]

I put this in the GB but I'll drop it here too:
For Lakers fans just to note, Rui actually played some of his best ball when our PG was..........Westbrook!!!
With the Wiz, Russ kinda challenged him and basically called him soft and it paid some dividends.
Maybe with Russ and Lebron, Rui gets that extra push, plus he wanted out of WAS and we have a cluster of 3/4.

Good luck to him in LA, but it just adds to our list of lottery picks we just trade away. The beat dont stop!!!

[tamaraw08]

I like him as a player and prospect, but I'm not sure about the fit. It's looking like he only attempts around three 3s per game, I'd like to see that go up. The team needs shooters, but easier said than done. Does Rui start?

G - Schroder | WB
G - Bev | Lonnie | Max
F - LeBron | Austin | Troy
F - Rui | Wenyen | Juan
C - AD | Bryant

You, BSH and I are the only posters here who have concerns about the fit. He’s not really a shooter per se, currently shooting 33% failed to shoot above 34% 3 of 4 seasons so far, the counter argument was he’s shooting 40% on catch and shoot situations. I was actually hoping they’ll go for Will Barton who consistently shot well the past 7 years but I don’t think his contract is expiring unlike Rui

[Ball so hard]

Solid talent pick up for very little, but very questionable fit. Doubt Bron is the least bit thrilled about this move. It’s been pretty clear for quite some time now that Pelinka doesn’t know how to build a team. Another weak defender with questionable outside shooting is right on par. Theirs is some upside to Rui though so I gotta give him Pelinka that.

Actually he’s not a weak defender. Metrics say other wise.

“ Hachimura fares well in most defensive metrics, ranging from an above-average defender (plus-0.3 in defensive RAPTOR) to a good defender (plus-0.9 in defensive EPM). The video shows a talented and physically gifted defender who can improve his effort, consistency and awareness. The Lakers are optimistic that playing in head coach Darvin Ham’s system and alongside veterans like Davis, James, Westbrook and Beverley will help bring out Hachimura’s unrealized defensive potential.”

This was a home run trade for Pelinka for the value he gave to get him. He can write it off for a three second rounders if it doesn’t work. And if you didn’t know LAL can buy a few 2nds over the next few years and they are replaced that quickly.

Probably more accurate to say some metrics say otherwise. For example, 3-year and 5-year RAMP datasets tell a completely different story, having a 5 year DRAMP of -1.36 (959 rank). There’s no question the guys over at FiveThirtyEight are very good at what they do. However, I’ve argued for years that defense is pretty hard to measure, especially when using models that are influenced by box score. Most advanced stats do a terrible job at it.

I’d guess there’s almost no one who watches Rui and thinks he’s an above average defender. But of course it ought to be true if some nerds/expert create a stat to convince people.

[Ball so hard]

I remember many here argued tooth and nail that Nunn was a plus defender. Their basic argument was that given he got minutes under Spolestra, be must be no worse than average… if I remember correctly some stats were even used to prove he’s solid.

Also note I never criticized the value we received. I’m critical of the fit. Most of Pelinka’s roster moves are odd from a fit standpoint. This one is hardly any different.

[TJM217]

I like him as a player and prospect, but I'm not sure about the fit. It's looking like he only attempts around three 3s per game, I'd like to see that go up. The team needs shooters, but easier said than done. Does Rui start?

G - Schroder | WB
G - Bev | Lonnie | Max
F - LeBron | Austin | Troy
F - Rui | Wenyen | Juan
C - AD | Bryant

You, BSH and I are the only posters here who have concerns about the fit. He’s not really a shooter per se, currently shooting 33% failed to shoot above 34% 3 of 4 seasons so far, the counter argument was he’s shooting 40% on catch and shoot situations. I was actually hoping they’ll go for Will Barton who consistently shot well the past 7 years but I don’t think his contract is expiring unlike Rui

I think I'm doubt the fit as well. Doesn't seem like he has a lot of gravity on his 3pts. If he is going to be a cutter or a dribble drive guy then you don't want him on the court with russ or Schroeder. I'm very corious about his defense. Is he a fight over screen type of guy? Can't wait until he is a few games in and I can't complain about the price.

[Jedi32]

nice pickup. can't wait to get AD back.

[Beethoven]

Wow, this is shaking couch cushions for beer money and finding a $100 bill.

Haha yeah

[LAKESHOW]

We wasnt gonna get sh?* outta Nunn and those 2nd round picks. This is an upgrade.

[Kilroy]

Purely from a value standpoint, this is a great trade... It's a weird fit though...I can see what the idea was, but I'm not sure they got what they think they got in this one, and if the rumors are right and we're thinking long term deal after the season, that may even be weirder...
Still though... It means nothing without getting deep in the playoffs... So let's see what they do now.

[zuju]

I am not too concerned about his fit with LBJ or WB. Rui can run with WB.His 3 pt shooting is on par. At least we now add some size to the team. The team is much more balanced now than before the trade.

We have Troy Brown and Rui at the wing. We can add one more like Josh Jackson at the wing if you want or we can add a big wing/mobile big in the likes of DJ Wilson etc.

Wait for the buyout market for the best player possible.

This team has already gel. Don't break the good chemistry.

[KuzControl]

Reckon we see some more of Bron at SF with Rui here taking up PF minutes. IMO that can only be a good thing, the less immensely small lineups the better. I was pissed when we gave up Stanley as steak knives in the PatBev deal - this helps to make up for it