The Best Fit Next To Bynum

[J Rob]

JON's efficiency should go up.

It's interesting to look at the fg% of players next to Kobe as of late.

Lamar Odom? 4 highest fg%es of his career are the 4 years with Kobe.
Kwame Brown? 3 highest the 3 years with Kobe.
Chris Mihm? Career high the year he was healthy.
Smush Parker? Career high.
Derek Fisher? Career high.
Trevor Ariza? Career high (barely).
Vladimir Radmanovic? 2nd and 3rd best seasons of his career.

Great stats and I agree with what's being said.

I think there's no question JO's shooting % will go up but more importantly, I also think he will be able to play alongside Bynum.

Obviously on the defense the two would dominate, but I think JO's ability to step out and hit the midrange would make this team hard to compete with.

[semi-sentient]

One has to wonder if we're making any kind of push at getting JO...

Personally, I'd offer Odom + Critt + pick and see if they'd bite.

[jimmywolfrey]

The best mid range jump shooting power forward there is and some one that can face up and handle both the high post and low post passing needs. In addition on defense they will need to be pretty fast at help since Bynum will be chasing guys to block shots.

Not sure who that could be but Haslem could be pretty good there.

JO would be great on the offensive end but they do have similar mentalities on the defensive end.

[celtspacers]

If the lakers get JO and Bynum comes back. I would say the Lakers win the championship the next couple years. JO is the best defensive PF in the game. He also is great at taking charges.

[semi-sentient]

The best mid range jump shooting power forward there is and some one that can face up and handle both the high post and low post passing needs. In addition on defense they will need to be pretty fast at help since Bynum will be chasing guys to block shots.

Not sure who that could be but Haslem could be pretty good there.

JO would be great on the offensive end but they do have similar mentalities on the defensive end.

The following would get it done...

Lakers get JO, Haslem. (couldn't ask for much more)
Heat get Odom, Radman, Critt. (Heat would salivate)
Pacers get J-Will, Davis, Mihm, Turiaf. (ehhh, not sure if it would fly -- expirings mostly)

[hermes]

JO no question

[Squirrel Boy]

If you ask me, I'll go young and say LaMarcus Aldridge as a perfect fit. He got the jumpshot, D, and still has the longevity.

Other ones I'd say are Bosh and Brand.

But from the two you gave. Pssssssssssht, not even a question here man. We need OFFENSE AND DEFENSE IN THE BLOCK.

JO NO DOUBT.

[incontrol__]

JO's clearly, by far, the better fit.

In a dream, Elton Brand would be perfect though.

One has to wonder if we're making any kind of push at getting JO...

Personally, I'd offer Odom + Critt + pick and see if they'd bite.

I'm high on Critt so i'd find it very hard to give him up. But, i'd do Odom+Mihm+Critt, no extra pick.

I offered Odom+Mihm+pick and got laughed at on the trade board.

But i think either would be very good deals for the Pacers, they'd save a ton of money.

[LAnd-of-champs]

Charlie v is perfect it would be like the baby shaqs all over again

he would have kareem for a coach two bynums hmmm

[Teen Girl Squad]

Charlie v is perfect it would be like the baby shaqs all over again

he would have kareem for a coach two bynums hmmm

CV has less bball IQ than LO. No thanks.

[Kweli]

JON's efficiency should go up.

It's interesting to look at the fg% of players next to Kobe as of late.

Lamar Odom? 4 highest fg%es of his career are the 4 years with Kobe.
Kwame Brown? 3 highest the 3 years with Kobe.
Chris Mihm? Career high the year he was healthy.
Smush Parker? Career high.
Derek Fisher? Career high.
Trevor Ariza? Career high (barely).
Vladimir Radmanovic? 2nd and 3rd best seasons of his career.

Also, Bynum is shooting around 62% playing next to Kobe.

[J Rob]

As far as I'm concerned, there's no point in discussing Ben Wallace vs. JO.

Of course we'd want JO. That's like asking would you want a dollar or fifty cents?

The real question is what PF can and would we trade for? And would he fit in once Bynum gets?

[trippy]

Interesting. How can Andrew Bynum develop into the All-Star type player that we hope and praise him to be if we have JO? I just don't understand how JO is the better choice if we have to trade both Kwame and Odom just to match salaries and thats the only way the Pacers would do that trade anyways. Whereas Ben Wallace, we send Kwame + Vlad or Luke + filler because they want him out anyways so they wouldnt mind taking an expiring contract and we would be keeping Odom for whatever purposes such as versatility and trade bait.

I don't buy the whole deal with JO being a better scorer. LOL we are ranked 3rd with PPG so why would we want his offense, to score 120 points?. We're running the triangle offense, omg. When was the last time you heard JO anchoring the defense for his team? And let's see, since basketball has evolved, what teams kind of teams has been to the conference finals? Suns, Mavs, and Spurs. Which of them went past the WCF? Mavs and Spurs. Why? Team defense and someone like Duncan and Dirk anchoring the defense.

Same can be said for Big Ben. Look at when Big Ben was in Detroit paired up with a great poster player like Rasheed. 1-NBA Championship, 1-ECF championsip, 2-ECF appearances, and he holds 4 DPOY titles. He has proved that he can play with a post player like Rasheed (just as he could if he was with Bynum) while JO hasn't done much. A player like Ben has proved himself in this league and his past has showed it. I wonder why the Cavs beat them last year and not the year before. LOL, I bet interior defense has nothing to do with it.

If you are not aware of this, Andrew Bynum is the next face for the Lakers franchise. Not JO, not Elton Brand, and not even Ben Wallace. But Ben Wallace is the perfect compliment to allow him to progress and maybe reach his full potential. Bynum is the exact reason why we've went to the next level, and his development is being taking for granted. It's funny because it's the same people who wanted to trade Bynum and bashed on Mitch for keeping him is now wanting JO instead of a 4-time DPOY caliber player.

We we're 10 of the last 11 (before the Sonics game) with our main 1-2 punch in Kobe-Bynum, now you guys want to jeopardize our biggest assets? A player who works without the ball opposed to a player who needs the ball and will disrupt Bynums development? I have faith in Bynum, I know his impact to this team, and he's only getting better.

[UThinkUrSoGood]

Interesting. How can Andrew Bynum develop into the All-Star type player that we hope and praise him to be if we have JO? I just don't understand how JO is the better choice if we have to trade both Kwame and Odom just to match salaries and thats the only way the Pacers would do that trade anyways. Whereas Ben Wallace, we send Kwame + Vlad or Luke + filler because they want him out anyways so they wouldnt mind taking an expiring contract and we would be keeping Odom for whatever purposes such as versatility and trade bait.

I don't buy the whole deal with JO being a better scorer. LOL we are ranked 3rd with PPG so why would we want his offense, to score 120 points?. We're running the triangle offense, omg. When was the last time you heard JO anchoring the defense for his team? And let's see, since basketball has evolved, what teams kind of teams has been to the conference finals? Suns, Mavs, and Spurs. Which of them went past the WCF? Mavs and Spurs. Why? Team defense and someone like Duncan and Dirk anchoring the defense.

Same can be said for Big Ben. Look at when Big Ben was in Detroit paired up with a great poster player like Rasheed. 1-NBA Championship, 1-ECF championsip, 2-ECF appearances, and he holds 4 DPOY titles. He has proved that he can play with a post player like Rasheed (just as he could if he was with Bynum) while JO hasn't done much. A player like Ben has proved himself in this league and his past has showed it. I wonder why the Cavs beat them last year and not the year before. LOL, I bet interior defense has nothing to do with it.

If you are not aware of this, Andrew Bynum is the next face for the Lakers franchise. Not JO, not Elton Brand, and not even Ben Wallace. But Ben Wallace is the perfect compliment to allow him to progress and maybe reach his full potential. Bynum is the exact reason why we've went to the next level, and his development is being taking for granted. It's funny because it's the same people who wanted to trade Bynum and bashed on Mitch for keeping him is now wanting JO instead of a 4-time DPOY caliber player.

We we're 10 of the last 11 (before the Sonics game) with our main 1-2 punch in Kobe-Bynum, now you guys want to jeopardize our biggest assets? A player who works without the ball opposed to a player who needs the ball and will disrupt Bynums development? I have faith in Bynum, I know his impact to this team, and he's only getting better.

The way J.O. isn't being able to mesh in well with the new Pacer's offense makes it realistically possible for them to want to move him before he opts out. I think Pacers would bite for a Kwame + Vlad + Sasha + Critt.

When you compare Ben Wallace playing with Rasheed, Ben Wallace was playing the Center position and Rasheed was the Power Forward. Rasheed has the ability to play outside the paint. His only weapon wasn't his post play, and most of his shots were actually outside the paint.

Jermaine Oneil is actually considered one of, if not the best defensive Power Forward out there. He was the pacers defensive anchor during their 2002-2005 campaign. It's easy to forget that the Pacers were actually favored to be the team to beat the Pistons in the East after the Piston's won their Championship, but the whole issue with Artest and Jermaine Oneil at the Palace prevented that from ever happening. He was easily. Jermaine had also led the East in votes for MVP in the 2004 season.

I don't see how you think playing alongside Jermaine Oneil would "jeopardize" Bynum's play. It would only make him better. He would get better looks with the opponent worried about guarding both Jermaine Oneil and Kobe Bryant on the drive.

Also to add, here are a couple lines from JO's bio that should catch your eye.
2006-07:
The only Pacers

[trippy]

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The way J.O. isn't being able to mesh in well with the new Pacer's offense makes it realistically possible for them to want to move him before he opts out. I think Pacers would bite for a Kwame + Vlad + Sasha + Critt.

Why would they want trash? They wanted Odom because he would have made it less painful than the trash you've selected.

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When you compare Ben Wallace playing with Rasheed, Ben Wallace was playing the Center position and Rasheed was the Power Forward. Rasheed has the ability to play outside the paint. His only weapon wasn't his post play, and most of his shots were actually outside the paint.

We're 3rd in PPG and you want to score more. The triangle offense is about certain players having certain roles and jobs, not particular labeled positions.

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Jermaine Oneil is actually considered one of, if not the best defensive Power Forward out there. He was the pacers defensive anchor during their 2002-2005 campaign. It's easy to forget that the Pacers were actually favored to be the team to beat the Pistons in the East after the Piston's won their Championship, but the whole issue with Artest and Jermaine Oneil at the Palace prevented that from ever happening. He was easily. Jermaine had also led the East in votes for MVP in the 2004 season.

Being first option usually means higher production (not including effiency), but his production has dropped tremendously. He was in the east omg. Before KG and Shaq moved there, which other PF/C was dominant during those years. LOL not much competition. It's easy to smash on lesser players.

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I don't see how you think playing alongside Jermaine Oneil would "jeopardize" Bynum's play. It would only make him better. He would get better looks with the opponent worried about guarding both Jermaine Oneil and Kobe Bryant on the drive.

LOL. Is JO going to be the 2nd option or 3rd? Either way Bynum would get less touches once JO gets here, and less touches usually means less production and less production means low efficency and less efficency means no development in Bynums case.

Last time I checked, defense shut down the 4 Hall of Fame team lakers in the 2004 Finals. I will say it again, Bynum is the next face of this Laker Franchise and not JO, Ben, or EB. Let's not forgot about Bynum owning Amare, JO, and others please.

[CDB]

No quesion it's J.O.

More of an scorer, finese, another good rebounder and defender, young in a way

[UThinkUrSoGood]

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LOL. Is JO going to be the 2nd option or 3rd? Either way Bynum would get less touches once JO gets here, and less touches usually means less production and less production means low efficency and less efficency means no development in Bynums case.

Last time I checked, defense shut down the 4 Hall of Fame team lakers in the 2004 Finals. I will say it again, Bynum is the next face of this Laker Franchise and not JO, Ben, or EB. Let's not forgot about Bynum owning Amare, JO, and others please.

Actually the Pacers would probably benefit better from accepting a package centered around Kwame then Odom.
Kwame + Sasha = 2 Expirings, Pacers are in rebuild mode and expirings would be their primary need. Crittenton is a prospect PG/SG and Pacers are in need at those positions. Radman actually fits the type of offense that the Pacers are trying to execute.

On the other hand, I don't see why the Pacers would actually want to touch Odom, but either way I would swap Odom+Kwame for J.O. (a proven All-Star, MVP Candidate, DPOY Candidate) any day.

Your statement on less touches meaning less productivity isn't always the case. In Bynum's case most of his touches are from dribble penetration and dishes, and offensive put-backs. Him being able to recieve the ball and use his post game is a luxury right now but it doesn't mean his production will go down just because he is getting less touches. Either way, remember Kobe Bryant was able to still "develope" playing alongside Eddie Jones, Van Exel, and Shaq.

You stated the only reason Jermaine Oneil has been dominant is due to him playing the in the East. Well that's where Ben Wallace has been sitting his entire career too. Let's go ahead and compare the 2's stat line.

Jermaine Oneil - 15.8ppg/7.4rpg/2.6apg/0.6spg/2.3bpg ~ 0.444FG%/0.754FT% in 32.0 mpg

Ben Wallace - 4.4ppg/8.9rpg/1.4apg/0.6spg/1.7bpg ~ 0.330FG%/0.471FT% in 32.8 mpg

That's being beat in every category except rebounding. INCLUDING BLOCKS. In less minutes I'd like to add. Ben Wallace's numbers are comparable to Kwame Browns when he's getting those minutes. I'd trade Kwame + Radman strait up for Ben Wallace, but that is all the bulls would be getting from us. The point is, you're pretty much picking to play 2 Centers over trying to aquire J.O. and like most on this board agree, between the 2 Jermaine Oneil is the obvious choice next to Bynum. Big Ben's days as DPOY are done.

BTW, Malone's injury and Kobe's 35% shooting in the 2004 finals played a major part in the loss in the Detroit series too.

[trippy]

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Actually the Pacers would probably benefit better from accepting a package centered around Kwame then Odom.
Kwame + Sasha = 2 Expirings, Pacers are in rebuild mode and expirings would be their primary need. Crittenton is a prospect PG/SG and Pacers are in need at those positions. Radman actually fits the type of offense that the Pacers are trying to execute.

This is ridiculous. Ask any Pacer fan would they any package not including Odom then ask a Laker Fan would they trade that much for a player on the decline.

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On the other hand, I don't see why the Pacers would actually want to touch Odom, but either way I would swap Odom+Kwame for J.O. (a proven All-Star, MVP Candidate, DPOY Candidate) any day.

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Your statement on less touches meaning less productivity isn't always the case. In Bynum's case most of his touches are from dribble penetration and dishes, and offensive put-backs. Him being able to recieve the ball and use his post game is a luxury right now but it doesn't mean his production will go down just because he is getting less touches.

Guess why analysts say once he gets a couple of go-to moves he would be a legit 20/10/2 player.

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Either way, remember Kobe Bryant was able to still "develope" playing alongside Eddie Jones, Van Exel, and Shaq.

You're talking about the best player in the game. Bynum has barely shown true flashes this season because he got the opportunity and touches on both sides of the court. And once they traded Van Exel and Eddie Jones, they allowed Kobe to be the true 2nd Option and as history states, Lakers got the 3-Peat because of the 1-2 punch combo of Shaq and Kobe. Now give Bynum that same opportunity that the Lakers gave to Kobe because he has shown this whole season that he is capable of becoming that 20/10/2 player theyre looking for.

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The point is, you're pretty much picking to play 2 Centers over trying to aquire J.O. and like most on this board agree, between the 2 Jermaine Oneil is the obvious choice next to Bynum.

Then tell David Robinson and Tim Duncan they are dumb for winning the title back in 99'. Then tell Phil Jackson that his triangle offfense is stupid because they don't play real positions but they play real roles.

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BTW, Malone's injury and Kobe's 35% shooting in the 2004 finals played a major part in the loss in the Detroit series too.

35% shooting? 3 Reasons: Rip, Tayshaun, and team defense. Malone played at home in Game 1, but they still lost.

I have proved why Ben Wallace is the better fit while proving that JO is not. You can have these chumps votes because all they look at are stats especially the PPG section. This is not fantasy Bball. Just remember that these people were the same chumps wanted to trade Bynum for JO, then clowned on Mitch, but now all of a sudden they are on both Mitch and Bynums nuts. I have given valid reasons and counters statements. If JO was for 10M, then NP, but since its 20M, no way. I am glad that I am not GM, and I am even more glad that none of these chumps are either.

[Tesla]

out of these two choices, easily Jermaine O'neal. The guy still is playing pretty good basketball, despite people already throwing dirt in his grave.

16/7/3 + 2blocks on 44% shooting isn't all that bad, especially since his defense is still good. He is good at the line for a big, shooting 75%. This is playing with a team in which he doesn't fit, nor in which he see's a future with (vice-versa with how the team feels about him). I think he would be able to produce those numbers on the Lakers with better percentages, but its difficult to get him into our offense this late into the season, especially considering what we would have to trade for him (Odom, Farmar).

I would without hesitation trade a package that included Kwame+Vlad+Critt(or Farmar) +Pick in a 3way deal, but no one would take Vlad me thinks. Also, I would rather not give up Farmar, I like his speed and now, his ability to hit an open jumper.

[trippy]

Jermaine Oneil - 15.8ppg/7.4rpg/2.6apg/0.6spg/2.3bpg ~ 0.444FG%/0.754FT% in 32.0 mpg

Ben Wallace - 4.4ppg/8.9rpg/1.4apg/0.6spg/1.7bpg ~ 0.330FG%/0.471FT% in 32.8 mpg

That's being beat in every category except rebounding. INCLUDING BLOCKS. In less minutes I'd like to add. Ben Wallace's numbers are comparable to Kwame Browns when he's getting those minutes. I'd trade Kwame + Radman strait up for Ben Wallace, but that is all the bulls would be getting from us. The point is, you're pretty much picking to play 2 Centers over trying to aquire J.O. and like most on this board agree, between the 2 Jermaine Oneil is the obvious choice next to Bynum. Big Ben's days as DPOY are done.

If you want to be a stat freak, then play fantasy NBA. You might as well say that you'd take Ewing instead of Rodman for the Bulls 3peat. Damn just go all out and take Malone over Horry during the lakers 3-Peat as well. The point I'm trying to make is to stop overrating the stats, and look at the real impact of the game. Here in this forum, they call those players glue-players. They fit best, and that's what this topics about. Defensive-minded players like Rodman and Ben will always be underrated, yet they have the Championships.