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Re: The Beasley Thread - p11 "LA rejects Beas for 1st" 

Post#201 » by C.lupus » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:14 am

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C.lupus wrote:This is correct. Say what you want about David Kahn but he has been very consistent about two things: making "value" deals and keeping financial flexibility. Beasley is an expiring contract to the Wolves. It's pretty obvious that he has no future with Adelman's system. Kahn is trying to see if he can get an extra pick (or some other asset) in a Beasley trade. If he can't, then he just lets Beasley walk in the offseason. Either way it's $6 million off the book. There is absolutely zero chance that he would take on additional salary/years to move him. Zero.

My guess: Kahn offered Beas for the TPE and a pick. Buss countered with Walton + pick. Kahn said no and went back to talking to Boston about Beas for JO and a pick.


With all the media criticism and being the butt of NBA GM jokes for the past few years, do you think Kahn is on the right path of being a better GM?

I think he's OK. He's a terrible drafter but he's made some good moves as well. He worked his butt off and bent over backwards to make Rubio feel comfortable with Minnesota and he talked Adelman out of retirement. Those two things are huge. He's a financial guy at the core and not a basketball mind but he does seem to be willing to defer to his coaches and try to get the talent they want. That didn't workout so well with Rambis...

Overall, I can't complain with the direction the team is going. They are fun to watch and play hard just about every night. The project isn't complete yet, obviously, so we'll see but I'd say he's probably an average GM at this point, not great, not as bad as ESPN makes him out to be. He has learned to talk less candidly and less frequently to the media, which is a good thing.
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Re: The Beasley Thread - p11 "LA rejects Beas for 1st" 

Post#202 » by kblo247 » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:20 am

moonpie wrote:Ireland on ESPN710 says Minny wanted BOTH 1st rounders

Ireland also said Dwight would be a Net almost two months ago. He also said he would quit if LA lost to Dallas in the playoffs.

If Stephen A Smith says it believe it because his **** pans out and he has actual sources
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Re: The Beasley Thread - p11 "LA rejects Beas for 1st" 

Post#203 » by Jetset » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:23 am

kblo247 wrote:
moonpie wrote:Ireland on ESPN710 says Minny wanted BOTH 1st rounders

Ireland also said Dwight would be a Net almost two months ago. He also said he would quit if LA lost to Dallas in the playoffs.

If Stephen A Smith says it believe it because his **** pans out and he has actual sources


LMAO no he doesn't.
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Re: The Beasley Thread - p11 "LA rejects Beas for 1st" 

Post#204 » by mlhouse » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:23 am

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C.lupus wrote:This is correct. Say what you want about David Kahn but he has been very consistent about two things: making "value" deals and keeping financial flexibility. Beasley is an expiring contract to the Wolves. It's pretty obvious that he has no future with Adelman's system. Kahn is trying to see if he can get an extra pick (or some other asset) in a Beasley trade. If he can't, then he just lets Beasley walk in the offseason. Either way it's $6 million off the book. There is absolutely zero chance that he would take on additional salary/years to move him. Zero.

My guess: Kahn offered Beas for the TPE and a pick. Buss countered with Walton + pick. Kahn said no and went back to talking to Boston about Beas for JO and a pick.


With all the media criticism and being the butt of NBA GM jokes for the past few years, do you think Kahn is on the right path of being a better GM?


Kahn isn't the GM in Minnesota anymore. Rick Adelman is. His son R.J. is the Director of Player Personnel and is the point man on these decisions now. Kahn is a glorified bookkeeper.
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Re: The Beasley Thread - p11 "LA rejects Beas for 1st" 

Post#205 » by tviper » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:35 am

No reason to trade the TPE+pick now. Keep both for a potential bigger deal and, if it doesn't materialize, I am guessing Kahn will still take it at the deadline.
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Re: The Beasley Thread - p11 "LA rejects Beas for 1st" 

Post#206 » by Sofa King » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:42 am

C.lupus wrote:I think he's OK. He's a terrible drafter but he's made some good moves as well. He worked his butt off and bent over backwards to make Rubio feel comfortable with Minnesota and he talked Adelman out of retirement. Those two things are huge. He's a financial guy at the core and not a basketball mind but he does seem to be willing to defer to his coaches and try to get the talent they want. That didn't workout so well with Rambis...

Overall, I can't complain with the direction the team is going. They are fun to watch and play hard just about every night. The project isn't complete yet, obviously, so we'll see but I'd say he's probably an average GM at this point, not great, not as bad as ESPN makes him out to be. He has learned to talk less candidly and less frequently to the media, which is a good thing.


That's huge when things finally pay off. I have to give some credit to Kahn for that. Hiring Adelman, drafting Rubio and convincing him to play in Minnesota after all these years, drafting Love and getting him extended...

Sure Kahn has his flaws, but overall I'm becoming a fan of the T'wolves now. I found myself cheering for the T'wolves against the Clippers the other day. :lol:
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Re: The Beasley Thread - p11 "LA rejects Beas for 1st" 

Post#207 » by Sofa King » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:45 am

mlhouse wrote:Kahn isn't the GM in Minnesota anymore. Rick Adelman is. His son R.J. is the Director of Player Personnel and is the point man on these decisions now. Kahn is a glorified bookkeeper.


So that's a recent change after Adelman got hired. That's a good move, but I guess my original point I was trying to find out was to give Kahn credit where credit is due in regards to where the T'wolves are now. They are a good fun team to watch and Adelman should also get credit for that too.
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Re: The Beasley Thread - p11 "LA rejects Beas for 1st" 

Post#208 » by C.lupus » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:48 am

Kahn didn't draft Love but he did make the decision to keep him over Al Jefferson and extend him.
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Re: The Beasley Thread - p11 "LA rejects Beas for 1st" 

Post#209 » by C.lupus » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:54 am

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mlhouse wrote:Kahn isn't the GM in Minnesota anymore. Rick Adelman is. His son R.J. is the Director of Player Personnel and is the point man on these decisions now. Kahn is a glorified bookkeeper.


So that's a recent change after Adelman got hired. That's a good move, but I guess my original point I was trying to find out was to give Kahn credit where credit is due in regards to where the T'wolves are now. They are a good fun team to watch and Adelman should also get credit for that too.

Kahn is still President of Basketball Operations and Adelman's boss. Nothing has changed there. Adelman is head coach but he will have plenty of say in team personnel matters. But, really, Kahn was like that with Rambis, too. The Beasley trade rumors (see, I'm bringing it back on topic) really has Adelman's fingerprints on it. RA just doesn't have the trust in Beasley and has decided he won't be part of the future.
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Re: The Beasley Thread - p11 "LA rejects Beas for 1st" 

Post#210 » by richboy » Thu Mar 1, 2012 3:43 am

Jetset wrote:Broussard is saying that the Bulls have inquired about Gasol and the Lakers want Deng.

That's about the only way I see a trade happening with Chicago.


They would have to throw a big in the deal too. Gibson or Asik. Can't imagine Bulls trade Deng unless they have a trade for another SF.
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Post#211 » by Jetset » Thu Mar 1, 2012 3:47 am

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Jetset wrote:Broussard is saying that the Bulls have inquired about Gasol and the Lakers want Deng.

That's about the only way I see a trade happening with Chicago.


They would have to throw a big in the deal too. Gibson or Asik. Can't imagine Bulls trade Deng unless they have a trade for another SF.


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Post#212 » by tugs » Thu Mar 1, 2012 3:48 am

I honestly don't want anyone from the Bulls aside from Rose. probably Watson, Deng (not that much but he's the best SF in their roster), Gibson, Boozer. out of all I just want Watson.
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Re: The Beasley Thread - p11 "LA rejects Beas for 1st" 

Post#213 » by richboy » Thu Mar 1, 2012 4:38 am

Butler not ready to be a starting SF. Deng plays so much he almost untradeable. For Gasol they might do but they would need another deal for a defensive SF who can shoot.
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Post#214 » by BeasleyTheBeast » Thu Mar 1, 2012 4:50 am

lol Lakers fans maybe next time
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Re: The Beasley Thread - p11 "LA rejects Beas for 1st" 

Post#215 » by JaVier Mastro » Thu Mar 1, 2012 5:28 am

I may have to go to LA the weekend after I get off, I'm gonna leave during rush hour so I can sit in traffic building manifesting my anger before I got see Jim....no but really I can't understand why they wouldnt do this...OMFG were getting him for F***ING FREE. We have TWO F***ING PICKS THEY ONLY WANTED ONE OF OURS. I need a f***ing drink now, how can they do this to me, I've been a fan since I was 4.5 years old. We get younger and better for nothing....


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Post#216 » by chefy » Thu Mar 1, 2012 6:05 am

FO need to make up their minds.

how the **** are we going to improve if they're afraid to make sacrifices/take salaries.

either we try to contend now. or we go rebuilding mode. you can't have both.
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Re: The Beasley Thread - p11 "LA rejects Beas for 1st" 

Post#217 » by TheHartBreakKid » Thu Mar 1, 2012 6:31 am

chefy wrote:FO need to make up their minds.

how the **** are we going to improve if they're afraid to make sacrifices/take salaries.

either we try to contend now. or we go rebuilding mode. you can't have both.



Actually you could have both. You could continue to sell out and make the playoffs with Kobe Gasol and Drew with no help, while making your money as the FO did with Kobe in 06/07. Except this time, Kobe can't demand a trade because of his ridiculously high contract while being in the tailend of his career. Obviously its not what the fans want, but i don't think Jim Buss gives a ****. I'm going to cut out my negative crap until the deadline passes as I'm just frustrated over the Beasely thing, and I'm hoping the FO has something bigger planned and we can't fully judge until after the deadline. However, If nothing happens, and Beasely could have been had for a first round pick that we are probably going to sell anyways for a salary dump, It would be safe to say that Jim Buss isn't concerned about winning.
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Lakers Decline Beasley Trade With Eye On Luxury Tax Read mo 

Post#218 » by Jukapuka » Thu Mar 1, 2012 1:01 pm

The Timerwolves offered Michael Beasley to the Lakers, according to a source.

The asking price was the better first round pick owned by the Lakers in 2012.

But the Lakers reportedly don't want to pay the increase in lottery tax that acquiring Beasley would mean.



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How are we getting better if we don't want to absorb any salary? I think Beasley would be probably the cheapest(talking about trading pieces) and best option we have on SF..

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Re: Lakers Decline Beasley Trade With Eye On Luxury Tax Rea 

Post#219 » by ROballer » Thu Mar 1, 2012 1:17 pm

Already posted in the other Beasley thread


With that being said,I wasn't necessarily very high on Beasley and I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for 2 more weeks.Maybe they plan to bring a better player,thus keeping the picks for now or maybe they are just cheap.Who knows?

But if the deadline passes and we still don't make any moves,it's pretty clear in which direction this franchise is going and I don't like it one bit.If they do plan to go cheap and save money,why now?Why the **** now,when starting from next year ,they'll get 200 million a year just from the new TV deal?

Just doesn't make any sense.They paid more in luxury taxes the last few years and now when they'll get a crapload of money they are not willing to pay big bucks for winning

Then again,there are 2 weeks left and I'll happily kiss their asses if they bring the right players :D
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Re: Lakers Decline Beasley Trade With Eye On Luxury Tax Rea 

Post#220 » by Gek » Thu Mar 1, 2012 1:40 pm

I don't know, 18-19 million is a LOT of money. Also Odom only proven that the Lakers made the right trade in the end. I don't think he'd be making much of a difference right now, especially since I foresee him as a starter here under MB.
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