Lakers 2016 NBA draft #2 pick discussion

[stan francisco]

Trading the pick along with Nick Young, future picks, expiring plus cash to match PG13 should be thoroughly and creatively explored. We're offering up a potential future franchise player.

[kblo247]

Ingram should start ahead of Matt Barnes.

I was referring to Harrison Barnes

Would there be enough cap for Whiteside + Derozan + Barnes? All three will most likely command the max. Actually thinking about it, Derozan would compliment well with Ingram and Russell.

Russell/Derozan/Ingram/Randle/Whiteside is a pretty balanced lineup. Both Derozan and Whiteside are in their mid 20's so they can grow with the younger prospects. Barnes is unnecessary, imo.

Barnes is more necessary than our lotto picks, Whiteside, or DD in that group as he is a player with playoff experience, who has won it all, and knows how to make winning plays. I would be happy to have him,but I would not max out Whiteside or Derozan. They are 15-17mil players

[kblo247]

for those saying Randle can play C.....no.
he can't even guard his own man, let alone be a rim protector and last line of defense for the whole team.

Our line up is set from 1 to 4. Let Simmons/Ingram play the 3 (their natural position), and just go out and try to sign a free agent center like Whiteside. Im down with Pau Gasol too since his skillset is evergreen

If you include JC at 2 you may as well pencil in giving up 25-30 a night as he is ass on defense

[ArC_man]

Thoughts on this:

Something based around Clarkson and #2 for Jimmy Butler and #14? I know fillers and what not would need to be figured out, but just curious of your guys' thoughts

Would do this trade in a heartbeat.

[Leor_77]

Reading other team's forums makes me want to not even consider trading the pick, and to give a big middle finger to anyone asking. Pacers fans would want the pick, Russell and Randle...and maybe even another pick, for Paul George. Cousins is a headcase that I don't want regardless, but I'm sure Sacramento fans would want something similar. I mean, the entire point of trading for someone like that is so you can pair them with the talent you have here? What's the point if you gut your team?

At this point, I'd rather keep all of our players and picks, and swoop up their precious Paul George (or someone similar) during free agency, while giving NOTHING up.

[Karmaloop]

Is there really even a need for a discussion? Take whoever the Sixers don't. Honestly, I'm kinda curious to see whose going to be the pick at 32.

[jigga_man]

I was referring to Harrison Barnes

Would there be enough cap for Whiteside + Derozan + Barnes? All three will most likely command the max. Actually thinking about it, Derozan would compliment well with Ingram and Russell.

Russell/Derozan/Ingram/Randle/Whiteside is a pretty balanced lineup. Both Derozan and Whiteside are in their mid 20's so they can grow with the younger prospects. Barnes is unnecessary, imo.

Barnes is more necessary than our lotto picks, Whiteside, or DD in that group as he is a player with playoff experience, who has won it all, and knows how to make winning plays. I would be happy to have him,but I would not max out Whiteside or Derozan. They are 15-17mil players

I disagree completely. Barnes more necessary than Ingram/Simmons? He's a distant fourth option that hasn't shown any indication of being worth the max. Even when Curry was briefly he still played like a fourth option. Every point you made about Barnes you could have said about Ariza in 2009. He's a good young, athletic system player, but a system player nonetheless.

While Derozan is struggling in the playoffs, he at least has shown to be a leading scorer on a good team and a proven all star. And for Whiteside, you can't find 3 centers in the league who has played better than him in the last two seasons. He's an elite shot blocker and a double double machine while still in his mid 20's. If Miami had his full bird rights he wouldn't be in the discussion for any other team.

[PKABOOICU]

for those saying Randle can play C.....no.
he can't even guard his own man, let alone be a rim protector and last line of defense for the whole team.

Our line up is set from 1 to 4. Let Simmons/Ingram play the 3 (their natural position), and just go out and try to sign a free agent center like Whiteside. Im down with Pau Gasol too since his skillset is evergreen

If you include JC at 2 you may as well pencil in giving up 25-30 a night as he is ass on defense

I agree. He's a gym rat and he made a spot for himself in the league for a long time but he's not a starting SG. He's a great spark off the bench on a deep team, but nobody is winning a championship with him starting. Also, his game is pretty close to peaking. The best he can be is a monta ellis lite. If theres 1 position the Lakers FO should take a hard look at, its the SG position.

[AcecardZ]

Stole this from another board but thought it was a little bit interesting....

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Here is a trade I wish would happen if Hinkie were still around but would probably not happen now:

LAL receives: #1 overall pick, Jahlil Okafor
PHI receives: #2 overall pick, D'Angelo Russell, draft picks (I assume three 2nd rounders)

If PHI have Ingram slightly higher on their mock drafts, this move makes a lot of sense. LAL can move on from the Russell/Young locker room fiasco and replace him with a ball handler that could be the next Magic Johnson. They can upgrade from 29 year old Hibbert to 20 year old Jahlil. PHI can remove an asset at a crowded big-man position and focus on Embiid/Saric/Noel.

If LAL picks Simmons, PHI gets the guy they wanted anyways plus some equity.

New PHI lineup: Russell/Free Agent/Ingram/Saric/Embiid
New LAL lineup: Simmons/Clarkson/Free Agent/Randle/Okafor

This trade idea is a little funkier if the Lakers want Ingram. Not sure how the 76ers use Simmons when the other slots are well-defined. Maybe as some kind of new super-Draymond at the 2guard that can switch onto anyone. Maybe as the point forward that Blake Griffin excelled at when he finished 3rd in MVP.

[Slava]

I'd much rather keep D'Angelo. He's better than any PG in this draft or the last one and fits Luke's offense like a glove.

[crazyeights]

Stole this from another board but thought it was a little bit interesting....

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Here is a trade I wish would happen if Hinkie were still around but would probably not happen now:

LAL receives: #1 overall pick, Jahlil Okafor
PHI receives: #2 overall pick, D'Angelo Russell, draft picks (I assume three 2nd rounders)

If PHI have Ingram slightly higher on their mock drafts, this move makes a lot of sense. LAL can move on from the Russell/Young locker room fiasco and replace him with a ball handler that could be the next Magic Johnson. They can upgrade from 29 year old Hibbert to 20 year old Jahlil. PHI can remove an asset at a crowded big-man position and focus on Embiid/Saric/Noel.

If LAL picks Simmons, PHI gets the guy they wanted anyways plus some equity.

New PHI lineup: Russell/Free Agent/Ingram/Saric/Embiid
New LAL lineup: Simmons/Clarkson/Free Agent/Randle/Okafor

This trade idea is a little funkier if the Lakers want Ingram. Not sure how the 76ers use Simmons when the other slots are well-defined. Maybe as some kind of new super-Draymond at the 2guard that can switch onto anyone. Maybe as the point forward that Blake Griffin excelled at when he finished 3rd in MVP.

Simmons/Clarkson/Randle/Okafor is awful for spacing. People would just crowd the paint and we'd be stuck for 5 years in rebuild hell.

[Frank Dux]

Can we stop with the incredibly stupid trade proposals? We are not trading this pick and Clarkson for Jimmy Butler and a bag of Cheetos. That is incredibly lopsided in favor of the Bulls.

[PKABOOICU]

man people are really starting to write off D'Lo....hes going to be a very good NBA player. And Jahlil Okafor is a ballstopper, and bad fit with Randle...its the main reason the Lakers didnt pick him last year. We dont need a scoring Center. We just need a Rim protector and rebounder who can catch some lobs and make some outlet passes.

[Slava]

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[ak7]

When someone writes off an 18-19 year old kid coming off an NBA rookie season I always laugh and no longer take what they say seriously. They've clearly never played any type of competitive basketball to understand the process of becoming a contributing player at a respectable level - let alone the highest level of basketball possible.

There are a lot of these types on RealGM - literally 75% if I had to throw a percentage on it. As if players are supposed to come in the league after one year in college and all be peak-LeBrons, Kobes and Jordans.

[tlifeset]

The dumbest thing that keeps being perpetuated is that if we draft Simmons we have to trade Randle. Do you see how many talented players Golden State throws at other teams? Do they need to trade Iggy because they have Klay Thompson and Harrison Barnes? The goal isn't too assemble the perfect starting 5... it's to make a team that can play with fluidity, ball movement, spacing and shooting up and down the roster.

The second dumbest thing is that Simmons and Randle couldn't play together because they are bad at defense and can't be rim protectors. Defense is effort + communication + coaching... players get better at defense if they (and the team) commit to it. To say that Simmons (rookie) and Randle (2nd year) won't get better at defense is completely absurd. These guys are young and will continue to grow into their own. I look at a guy like Randle and he takes getting better VERY seriously - he will put in the effort, he will meet Luke Walton's expectations and beyond. I think the same thing about Simmons.

As far as who to draft... I don't truly have a preference. But if Paul George is really available for the #2 pick (and something else)... the Lakers have to take a serious look. I like both of these players, but teams with all young players take a LONG time to develop. Towns and Wiggins were unbelievable this year and THEY WON 29 GAMES! We've got a lot of good young pieces - we need to integrate some stars and solid vets.

[milesfides]

I'd much rather keep D'Angelo. He's better than any PG in this draft or the last one and fits Luke's offense like a glove.

Probably Luke's single biggest basketball reason to take the job. Can't run anything like the Warriors offense without D'Angelo, he has the least to change about his game.

That being said, Russell isn't the only baller in his class. Devin Booker is a bad son of a mother.

[milesfides]

I definitely see the lakers trading the second pick, for the right deal. You'd be naive to think otherwise. In fact, Mike trudell reported that Mitch stated the possibility of trading the pick. There are also plenty of rumors specifically about the lakers trading the pick. Jim has one year to go deep into the playoffs. If he thinks a veteran would substantially help our team more than our young talent with potential, why wouldn't he do it? So he goes with future potential and patience, gets fired by his sister, and compounds the humiliation by watching Phil come in and take all the credit as the rookie develops into an all star ?

Look at sam Hinkie. He did all the dirty work, now the colangelos can play with all those assets and take the credit for future success.

No, jims going to go for short term success like day traders, like most of the managers around the league. Job security depends on immediate job performance.

We're not the Spurs, built for the long haul. We've got game of thrones going on

[Sofa King]

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[stan francisco]

Reading other team's forums makes me want to not even consider trading the pick, and to give a big middle finger to anyone asking. Pacers fans would want the pick, Russell and Randle...and maybe even another pick, for Paul George. Cousins is a headcase that I don't want regardless, but I'm sure Sacramento fans would want something similar. I mean, the entire point of trading for someone like that is so you can pair them with the talent you have here? What's the point if you gut your team?

At this point, I'd rather keep all of our players and picks, and swoop up their precious Paul George (or someone similar) during free agency, while giving NOTHING up.

You make a lot of really good points. I can hang with that all the way. Building it from the ground up. I like it.

We should still explore what our best offer for pick #2 (packaged perhaps with Nick Young as condition) is. It may be worth more to us than the pick. In next year's FA, for instance, having Nick the Dick off the books could really help.

We're in a position of power in negotiations. We sit pretty just the way things are with our number two pick. If someone wants our pick, they'll have to give us a great value deal or there is no deal. Nick Young could be a condition. If it works, it works. If not, we're getting Simmons or Ingram.