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The #2 Pick

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Who do we pick

Poll ended at Fri Jun 26, 2015 2:33 am

Russell
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Okafor
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46%
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Re: #2 pick: Okafor or Russell 

Post#221 » by kblo247 » Sat May 23, 2015 5:19 am

dockingsched wrote:According to Chad Ford if Towns goes first the Lakers will focus almost exclusively on Okafor. If Okafor goes first, they'll consider Russell and Mudiay just as much as Towns.

Makes sense as he's too polished not to take whereas towns has a weaker body and needs work. Lakers philosophy is draft the small - Kobe Magic Worthy Nick Eddie West Goodrich - then buy the proven ready big - Shaquille Kareem Pau Dwight Wilt Odom -and there are several to throw max at this summer as Russel and Muiday have as much if not better talent than Towns
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Re: #2 pick: Okafor or Russell 

Post#222 » by john248 » Sat May 23, 2015 6:16 am

Tarik_shaq wrote:has anybody ever came into the draft with projected poor defense, but actually became an adequate or elite defender? if so, then no need to worry about jahlils defense!


The players who projected to have poor defense and continued to have poor defense greatly outnumbers poor defenders who become solid to elite defenders.



ALL HAIL wrote:Anyone, and I do me anyone, who spews the misguided rhetoric that "the league has changed to a guard-driven league", and uses said delusion to justify picking Russell over Okafor, simply put, just doesn't understand general principles of roster construction and the foundations of overall basketball knowledge.

It's ironic because many of the same people who hail Kupchak's basketball acumen, yelling from the highest hill, " in Mitch I trust," are the same ones who, misguidedly, preach about the dramatic manner in which the game has changed away from the importance of bigmen and low post play.

If you listen to the Cowherd interview above, you see that Kupchak, clearly, isn't drinking from the well of this new-age Kool-Aid frame of thought.

Thank God for gray-haired, wise, old men.


I only agree with half of what you're saying. It's important to not be so close minded to completely disregard a player who projects to be a good post player. However the basketball we're seeing today isn't some "new age Kool Aid" as you frame it. The game that we're seeing now is just part of the ongoing process of its evolution. I strongly feel the grind it out, "throw it to the low post guy and everyone else just watch" style of offense will never be seen again simply because it's not good basketball. I do think with a good passer in Okafor, it provides an additional passing hub to attack from. Having that type of low post playmaking dynamic is what's valuable. Being stuck with an "gray haired, old man" line of thought makes things worse. If Okafor were simply just a good scorer without the passing skills, I'd pass on the guy in favor of someone else.

This leads to me to expand on the evolution of the game. As it is now, there aren't a lot of offensively good bigs in the league. And the bigs who do have talent like DMC, maybe he's not being used to the best of his abilities in a league that now demands ball movement. We now know that, in general, a low post player is a ball stopper. But there will, or at leats should, come a time when coaches figure out how to better integrate a guy like Okafor. If Okafor turns out to be a Shaq or Kareem like offensive player, then it makes things a ton easier. But we all know that it's not exactly fair to project him to be a top 5 all timer. In 5-10 years, we will likely being seeing better strategies than what we're seeing now which is important to keep in mind.
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Re: #2 pick: Okafor or Russell 

Post#223 » by john248 » Sat May 23, 2015 6:29 am

NBAWestFan wrote:I would look hard at Mudiay. He is a lot more athletic than Russell and of course Towns and Okafor.


Mudiay is a dreadful shooter...I mean no range and under 60% FT. He's not a natural shooter at all, obviously. It's one of those things he will definitely dramatically improve since it's easy to project him to be a 70+% FT shooter in the NBA while being a mediocre 3 point shooter, but I don't see a huge upside with him. John Wall was no where near that bad, and Wall is more athletic.
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Re: #2 pick: Okafor or Russell 

Post#224 » by kblo247 » Sat May 23, 2015 8:27 am

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NBAWestFan wrote:I would look hard at Mudiay. He is a lot more athletic than Russell and of course Towns and Okafor.


Mudiay is a dreadful shooter...I mean no range and under 60% FT. He's not a natural shooter at all, obviously. It's one of those things he will definitely dramatically improve since it's easy to project him to be a 70+% FT shooter in the NBA while being a mediocre 3 point shooter, but I don't see a huge upside with him. John Wall was no where near that bad, and Wall is more athletic.

I always look at Russ as a comparison because Russ became a better athlete in the league than ucla. I can see that happening for Muiday too since he already improved his body in the cba. Full access to nba trainers would help him. As for shooting problems I would look at Tony PArker who struggled around the same age but got better
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Re: #2 pick: Okafor or Russell 

Post#225 » by EArl » Sat May 23, 2015 8:55 am

The more I watch highlights of Okafor, the more I want him.
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Re: #2 pick: Okafor or Russell 

Post#226 » by yitur » Sat May 23, 2015 9:42 am

EArl wrote:The more I watch highlights of Okafor, the more I want him.


Yeah I was a critic too before watching anything on him. All I read was he was a great post player with poor D. But he looks elite in the post from day one. He looks to have a soft touch, hopefully he improves a little bit range on his shot so Okafor-Randle can become Gasol-Randolph offensively. Maybe even better.
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Re: #2 pick: Okafor or Russell 

Post#227 » by Asianiac_24 » Sat May 23, 2015 10:53 am

Hopefully the Wolves pick Okafor so we can take Towns, but make no mistake Okafor is the clear #2. Russell is not close to Okafor as a prospect IMO
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Re: #2 pick: Okafor or Russell 

Post#228 » by tugs » Sat May 23, 2015 12:22 pm

As long as Towns'/Okafor's floor wouldn't be as low as Thabeet's ceiling, I'm good.
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Re: #2 pick: Okafor or Russell 

Post#229 » by sikma42 » Sat May 23, 2015 2:08 pm

If Okafor isn't there, I would be happy if Lakers traded down and got Willie Cauley Stein. I feel confident saying he is gonna be a hell of a player in this league. A beast defensively that will fit into almost any scheme.
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Re: #2 pick: Okafor or Russell 

Post#230 » by Yunsta » Sat May 23, 2015 2:09 pm

Jim buss drafted Bynum and then refused to trade him for prime melo.. Do people really think he's gonna miss out the opportunity to draft a 19 yr old center with the 2nd pick?
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Re: #2 pick: Okafor or Russell 

Post#231 » by magicbesteva » Sat May 23, 2015 2:26 pm

I really want Okafor. If he's not there at number two take Russell. We need to stop buying into the hype about Towns. Good player. Can be a Beast but Okafor and Russell are going to be better
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Re: #2 pick: Okafor or Russell 

Post#232 » by Dr Aki » Sat May 23, 2015 3:18 pm

sikma42 wrote:If Okafor isn't there, I would be happy if Lakers traded down and got Willie Cauley Stein. I feel confident saying he is gonna be a hell of a player in this league. A beast defensively that will fit into almost any scheme.


if okafor isn't there, we draft towns
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Re: #2 pick: Okafor or Russell 

Post#233 » by TylersLakers » Sat May 23, 2015 3:59 pm

Sedale Threatt wrote:Kid looks lean and mean. I like it.


Yep, I had Towns as my #1 a couple weeks ago, but now it's Okafor. If he's available, we cannot pass him up for a guard with a lack of athleticism.
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Re: #2 pick: Okafor or Russell 

Post#234 » by NBAWestFan » Sat May 23, 2015 4:03 pm

john248 wrote:
NBAWestFan wrote:I would look hard at Mudiay. He is a lot more athletic than Russell and of course Towns and Okafor.


Mudiay is a dreadful shooter...I mean no range and under 60% FT. He's not a natural shooter at all, obviously. It's one of those things he will definitely dramatically improve since it's easy to project him to be a 70+% FT shooter in the NBA while being a mediocre 3 point shooter, but I don't see a huge upside with him. John Wall was no where near that bad, and Wall is more athletic.


I would disagree about Mudiay. He is very Athletic and looks more like a young Kobe/Jordan type the way he can
create his own shot and attack the basket in traffic. Russell is a midrange to 3 point shooter. Both are 6-5 but Mudiay
is a lot more athletic. He may not be as fast as Wall but even though he can play point. This is a guy who can take it too the hole
and get to the line. His shooting can easily improve with his 6-5 frame and Athleticism. He is not a 7-0 stiff like Dwight he can bend his knees and once he learns better Shooting Mechanics.

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Re: #2 pick: Okafor or Russell 

Post#235 » by Gus McCrae » Sat May 23, 2015 5:25 pm

dockingsched wrote:According to Chad Ford if Towns goes first the Lakers will focus almost exclusively on Okafor. If Okafor goes first, they'll consider Russell and Mudiay just as much as Towns.


That sounds like something leaked to make the wolves question Their selection. Obviously we would take towns if oak goes first
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Re: #2 pick: Okafor or Russell 

Post#236 » by Wavy Q » Sat May 23, 2015 6:22 pm

If we pass up on Towns/Okafor for all these guards i will be sad.
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Re: #2 pick: Okafor or Russell 

Post#237 » by Sofa King » Sat May 23, 2015 6:37 pm

Only way I see Towns and Okafor slide out of the top two, if they had some similar injuries that were to come out like Embid.

Maybe the Lakers could trade the pick to Philly for Embid and use Philly's pick to grab Mudiay or Russell. Philly has too many picks anyway.
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Re: #2 pick: Okafor or Russell 

Post#238 » by Rafer24 » Sat May 23, 2015 6:51 pm

If Okafor is gone, Towns 100%.

No question.
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Re: #2 pick: Okafor or Russell 

Post#239 » by John Long » Sun May 24, 2015 12:43 am

Slava wrote:I think Okafor is good enough that if Randle doesn't fit next to him, you'll look to move Randle and not the other way around.


This.

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Re: #2 pick: Okafor or Russell 

Post#240 » by LApwnd » Sun May 24, 2015 1:46 am

tugs wrote:As long as Towns'/Okafor's floor wouldn't be as low as Thabeet's ceiling, I'm good.


why did thabeet get picked so high? was it due to a weak draft or cause of how he measured out?

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