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Who do the Lakers draft on June 22nd with the 2nd overall pick?

Poll ended at Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:11 pm

Lonzo Ball
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Josh Jackson
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Thread: Lakeshow edition 

Post#221 » by Slava » Thu May 18, 2017 5:49 pm

JohnVancouver wrote:
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Spens1 wrote:at 28 what position are we even going for?

Do we go for a center again. P.F to give Randle a scare (he needs it, maybe he'll find consistency) or some kind of bench wing.


If Adebayo or Giles(even with his knee frailties) is available you pick them and let Robinson/Black walk or else pick the best possible defensive role player you can find. I wouldn't mind attaching Clarkson to that pick if it meant moving higher up to get a defensive specialist in the 20-25 range.


I think we really need to find a couple defensive players - Nwaba is one for the backcourt already and I'm leaning towards JJackson at 2. Iwas high on ball but I'm second guessing myself after all the scare posts. I really, really miss Lou. Anyone else notcie how well he ran offense when he was in at PG?


Josh Jackson has a terrible feel for the game, entire opposite of Ball. I'd be disappointed if he's the pick.
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Thread: Lakeshow edition 

Post#222 » by MrWaffles » Thu May 18, 2017 5:56 pm

Slava wrote:
JohnVancouver wrote:
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If Adebayo or Giles(even with his knee frailties) is available you pick them and let Robinson/Black walk or else pick the best possible defensive role player you can find. I wouldn't mind attaching Clarkson to that pick if it meant moving higher up to get a defensive specialist in the 20-25 range.


I think we really need to find a couple defensive players - Nwaba is one for the backcourt already and I'm leaning towards JJackson at 2. Iwas high on ball but I'm second guessing myself after all the scare posts. I really, really miss Lou. Anyone else notcie how well he ran offense when he was in at PG?


Josh Jackson has a terrible feel for the game, entire opposite of Ball. I'd be disappointed if he's the pick.



Thoughts on Fox? I'm worried Ball won't be able to shoot in the league. He'd be the easiest scout in the league.. just force him right...
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Thread: Lakeshow edition 

Post#223 » by ALL HAIL » Thu May 18, 2017 5:58 pm

Slava wrote:
JohnVancouver wrote:
Slava wrote:
If Adebayo or Giles(even with his knee frailties) is available you pick them and let Robinson/Black walk or else pick the best possible defensive role player you can find. I wouldn't mind attaching Clarkson to that pick if it meant moving higher up to get a defensive specialist in the 20-25 range.


I think we really need to find a couple defensive players - Nwaba is one for the backcourt already and I'm leaning towards JJackson at 2. Iwas high on ball but I'm second guessing myself after all the scare posts. I really, really miss Lou. Anyone else notcie how well he ran offense when he was in at PG?


Josh Jackson has a terrible feel for the game, entire opposite of Ball. I'd be disappointed if he's the pick.

Straight ignorance here. Silence is better than "blasphemy" dude.
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Thread: Lakeshow edition 

Post#224 » by Slava » Thu May 18, 2017 6:21 pm

MrWaffles wrote:
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JohnVancouver wrote:
I think we really need to find a couple defensive players - Nwaba is one for the backcourt already and I'm leaning towards JJackson at 2. Iwas high on ball but I'm second guessing myself after all the scare posts. I really, really miss Lou. Anyone else notcie how well he ran offense when he was in at PG?


Josh Jackson has a terrible feel for the game, entire opposite of Ball. I'd be disappointed if he's the pick.



Thoughts on Fox? I'm worried Ball won't be able to shoot in the league. He'd be the easiest scout in the league.. just force him right...


Ball is ridiculously good at not doing the things he is bad at and imposing the things he is good at. He will be fine shooting the ball, he went against fultz who is an NBA level player in college and did fine.

Fox is quite good too and has elite end to end speed plus hyperactive on defense. He'd be my 3rd pick.
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Post#225 » by ALL HAIL » Thu May 18, 2017 6:32 pm

MrWaffles wrote:
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JohnVancouver wrote:
I think we really need to find a couple defensive players - Nwaba is one for the backcourt already and I'm leaning towards JJackson at 2. Iwas high on ball but I'm second guessing myself after all the scare posts. I really, really miss Lou. Anyone else notcie how well he ran offense when he was in at PG?


Josh Jackson has a terrible feel for the game, entire opposite of Ball. I'd be disappointed if he's the pick.



Thoughts on Fox? I'm worried Ball won't be able to shoot in the league. He'd be the easiest scout in the league.. just force him right...

Fox is a bad fit here. He'll likely average twent a game somewhere, but here , the Lakers must have a guy who can, at the very least knock down wide open catch and shoot jumpshots.

The Lakers need players with intangibles who can defend, pass, dribble, and shoot. Jackson, Ball, and Ntilikina offer that more than Fox, IMO.
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Thread: Lakeshow edition 

Post#226 » by MrWaffles » Thu May 18, 2017 6:33 pm

ALL HAIL wrote:
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Josh Jackson has a terrible feel for the game, entire opposite of Ball. I'd be disappointed if he's the pick.



Thoughts on Fox? I'm worried Ball won't be able to shoot in the league. He'd be the easiest scout in the league.. just force him right...

Fox is a bad fit here. He'll likely average twent a game somewhere, but here , the Lakers must have a guy who can, at the very least knock down wide open catch and shoot jumpshots.

The Lakers need players with intangibles who can defend, pass, dribble, and shoot. Jackson, Ball, and Ntilikina offer that more than Fox, IMO.




Fox can knock them down if he get's into the gym, which shouldn't be a problem.

Ball can't defend, don't sneak that in there lol.

Lakers FO are very high on Fox and Jackson. It's up to Magic if he wants to listen to Ryan + company or go with ball because he's "LA".
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Post#227 » by ozymandias818 » Thu May 18, 2017 6:40 pm

Showtime:Part2 wrote:i will puke if we draft mkg.... i mean josh jackson. honestly i think jayson tatum is going to be a stud as well but we already have ingram and badly need a true pg. someone like lonzo who can push the ball, get guys easy shots, hit the 3, and is an excellent transition defender is just what we need. we have too many guys that are looking to create their own shot on this team. ball is perfect. one idea would be to try to trade down for two picks and get dsj and tatum if it's at all possible.

You haven't even watched Jackson play a game. What a ridiculous comparison.
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Thread: Lakeshow edition 

Post#228 » by trevm37 » Thu May 18, 2017 7:17 pm

MrWaffles wrote:
ALL HAIL wrote:
MrWaffles wrote:

Thoughts on Fox? I'm worried Ball won't be able to shoot in the league. He'd be the easiest scout in the league.. just force him right...

Fox is a bad fit here. He'll likely average twent a game somewhere, but here , the Lakers must have a guy who can, at the very least knock down wide open catch and shoot jumpshots.

The Lakers need players with intangibles who can defend, pass, dribble, and shoot. Jackson, Ball, and Ntilikina offer that more than Fox, IMO.




Fox can knock them down if he get's into the gym, which shouldn't be a problem.

Ball can't defend, don't sneak that in there lol.

Lakers FO are very high on Fox and Jackson. It's up to Magic if he wants to listen to Ryan + company or go with ball because he's "LA".


In the long run, Fox could become a better shooter than Ball, but currently, Fox fits better with Russell.

Who's to say Ryan and co arent all in on Lonzo?
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Post#229 » by kobe808lak » Thu May 18, 2017 7:29 pm

Does a lineup with Ingram and Jackson make sense? Is that enough shooting on the court?

Fox shot better the last month of the season so improvement there is a positive sign. His defense would be good next to Russel.

Ball won't be able to hide his weaknesses that easily in the NBA. I'm worried about his half court game. Love him in transition but there are a lot of red flags.
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Thread: Lakeshow edition 

Post#230 » by moonpie » Thu May 18, 2017 7:31 pm

Draft prospect of the day: Josh Hart (G/F, Villanova) http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Josh-Hart-7149/


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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Thread: Lakeshow edition 

Post#231 » by Goudelock » Thu May 18, 2017 7:32 pm

Slava wrote:
JohnVancouver wrote:
Slava wrote:
If Adebayo or Giles(even with his knee frailties) is available you pick them and let Robinson/Black walk or else pick the best possible defensive role player you can find. I wouldn't mind attaching Clarkson to that pick if it meant moving higher up to get a defensive specialist in the 20-25 range.


I think we really need to find a couple defensive players - Nwaba is one for the backcourt already and I'm leaning towards JJackson at 2. Iwas high on ball but I'm second guessing myself after all the scare posts. I really, really miss Lou. Anyone else notcie how well he ran offense when he was in at PG?


Josh Jackson has a terrible feel for the game, entire opposite of Ball. I'd be disappointed if he's the pick.


I don't watch college basketball, so I rely on what articles and youtube breakdowns say to learn about NBA prospects. I've heard that Jackson is a natural passer and defender and is "gritty" and knows how to play within the offense, so why would you say that he has a terrible feel for the game?
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Thread: Lakeshow edition 

Post#232 » by ozymandias818 » Thu May 18, 2017 7:34 pm

kobe808lak wrote:Does a lineup with Ingram and Jackson make sense? Is that enough shooting on the court?

Fox shot better the last month of the season so improvement there is a positive sign. His defense would be good next to Russel.

Ball won't be able to hide his weaknesses that easily in the NBA. I'm worried about his half court game. Love him in transition but there are a lot of red flags.

I doubt we get Jackson but yes, it does. We'd have a freaky defense in a few years at the forward spots. There's no doubt in my mind that Ingram becomes a very good 3-point shooter down the road. Jackson shot 38% in college last year from 3. Copying the Warriors isn't the way you win championships. You need some shooting at 4 spots, but I think, worst case scenario, Jackson develops a mid-range jumper. They'd be very nice together.
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Post#233 » by Slava » Thu May 18, 2017 8:04 pm

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I think we really need to find a couple defensive players - Nwaba is one for the backcourt already and I'm leaning towards JJackson at 2. Iwas high on ball but I'm second guessing myself after all the scare posts. I really, really miss Lou. Anyone else notcie how well he ran offense when he was in at PG?


Josh Jackson has a terrible feel for the game, entire opposite of Ball. I'd be disappointed if he's the pick.


I don't watch college basketball, so I rely on what articles and youtube breakdowns say to learn about NBA prospects. I've heard that Jackson is a natural passer and defender and is "gritty" and knows how to play within the offense, so why would you say that he has a terrible feel for the game?


I went back and read every scouting article and YouTube clips of his games so my opinion comes from there too. He is terribly unrefined and has to correct a lot of fundamental issues before he gets close to contributing at NBA level.

The shooting form lacks consistency when pulling up off the dribble, he misses easy finishes for his natural athleticism due to taking off the wrong foot sometimes and he fouls on defense because he chooses wrong moments to reach in.

The hype.comes from the fact that he is Uber athletic and has really good tenacity on defense where he's shown some good Sparks but I consistently see him making wrong decisions. Compare that to ball who knows perfectly his strength and weaknesses and has a feel beyond his years and you'll see the difference.

It won't surprise me one bit if he flatters to deceive.
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Thread: Lakeshow edition 

Post#234 » by ozymandias818 » Thu May 18, 2017 8:18 pm

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Josh Jackson has a terrible feel for the game, entire opposite of Ball. I'd be disappointed if he's the pick.


I don't watch college basketball, so I rely on what articles and youtube breakdowns say to learn about NBA prospects. I've heard that Jackson is a natural passer and defender and is "gritty" and knows how to play within the offense, so why would you say that he has a terrible feel for the game?


I went back and read every scouting article and YouTube clips of his games so my opinion comes from there too. He is terribly unrefined and has to correct a lot of fundamental issues before he gets close to contributing at NBA level.

The shooting form lacks consistency when pulling up off the dribble, he misses easy finishes for his natural athleticism due to taking off the wrong foot sometimes and he fouls on defense because he chooses wrong moments to reach in.

The hype.comes from the fact that he is Uber athletic and has really good tenacity on defense where he's shown some good Sparks but I consistently see him making wrong decisions. Compare that to ball who knows perfectly his strength and weaknesses and has a feel beyond his years and you'll see the difference.

It won't surprise me one bit if he flatters to deceive.

Those issues you talked about, frankly, can be coached right out of him between now and October if those were the only problems with his game. I wouldn't be the slightest bit concerned about those weaknesses from a college freshman.

Ball is good at playing to his strengths and limiting his weaknesses. Very good. But as has been pointed out, those things are a whole lot easier to mask in college, especially when you're a Naismith finalist, than when you're in the NBA playing against grown men and NBA defensive schemes.

I'm taking Ball over Jackson. But I don't particularly agree with your points, either.
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Thread: Lakeshow edition 

Post#235 » by AcecardZ » Thu May 18, 2017 10:37 pm

The Celtics get it:

I think these picks are very, very valuable," said Grousbeck. "You think of it, if you’re going to trade this pick as part of a package for an established star [who is] making max [money], you’ve got to send max money out the door, as well. You’ve got to send more guys along. So, this guy coming back better be the second coming. What’s more, he’s going to be halfway through his career, whoever he is. And he’s going to be paid, right now, a ton of money, which restricts you in other ways.


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Post#236 » by jerkslo » Fri May 19, 2017 12:25 am

I'm saying it again, package the #2 and Mozgov to Sac for the #5 and WCS, select Fox at 5.
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Post#237 » by Michael Lucky » Fri May 19, 2017 12:39 am

AcecardZ wrote:The Celtics get it:

I think these picks are very, very valuable," said Grousbeck. "You think of it, if you’re going to trade this pick as part of a package for an established star [who is] making max [money], you’ve got to send max money out the door, as well. You’ve got to send more guys along. So, this guy coming back better be the second coming. What’s more, he’s going to be halfway through his career, whoever he is. And he’s going to be paid, right now, a ton of money, which restricts you in other ways.


http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/245982/Celtics-Will-Only-Trade-Top-Pick-For-Second-Coming

I wish more people would take note of that myself. Can't be stated enough.
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Post#238 » by Dr Aki » Fri May 19, 2017 1:40 am

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AcecardZ wrote:The Celtics get it:

I think these picks are very, very valuable," said Grousbeck. "You think of it, if you’re going to trade this pick as part of a package for an established star [who is] making max [money], you’ve got to send max money out the door, as well. You’ve got to send more guys along. So, this guy coming back better be the second coming. What’s more, he’s going to be halfway through his career, whoever he is. And he’s going to be paid, right now, a ton of money, which restricts you in other ways.


http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/245982/Celtics-Will-Only-Trade-Top-Pick-For-Second-Coming

I wish more people would take note of that myself. Can't be stated enough.


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Post#239 » by ozymandias818 » Fri May 19, 2017 2:12 am

jerkslo wrote:I'm saying it again, package the #2 and Mozgov to Sac for the #5 and WCS, select Fox at 5.

Well, you can stop saying it because it's never going to happen. The Kings already drafted WCS way too high, they obviously overvalue him and that's already a terrible deal for them.
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