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[danfantastk32]

I'm just higher on what Lebron and AD can do than you are and i think your logic is flawed. Nearly half the damn the league were 46-51-win teams and i dont see you call for everyone else to tear it down.

7th place...11th place....7th place.....8th place....in the West. <-------that's where I am on what AD and Lebron can do....cause that's what they've done the last 4 years. And that's not even accounting for Lebron declining. Yes....he's fighting it better than anyone before him, imo.....but it's still there. And now AD at 31 can prob be consider coming off his prime.

As for my flawed logic....we're dead in the middle. 8th in the West....16th/17th in the league. So there are alot of teams on either side of us. I'm not calling for them to rebuild, because I couldn't give the slightest sh++ about any of them! If I were clipper fan, and I survived trying to hang myself first.....I'd have been calling for them to break up that glass set of "stars" years ago! I'd be calling for the Suns to move Durant like you wouln't believe.....even if it meant moving Booker to do it. I'd say thank god im not a suns fan....but we're really not much better.

Hanging out in the middle is the LAST place you want to be. Nothing worth watching/getting excited for...and no really good picks to look forward to. We're boring.....and I can't say we're going nowhere.....cause father-time is actually dragging us slowly down. There's a ton of teams I'd hate to be rooting for......but who cares, cause I don't root for them! That's simple enough, no?

[danfantastk32]

trade bronny, LeBron, cam and Vincent... for scary Terry, JJ, and Bam

screw the extra Media pressure, and find some dawgs to play basketball with. let LeBron team up with the shooters and Butler

Works for me, but 2 things: Lebron now has no-trade..so he's gotta like it. Secondly, does that team want that pile of players, knowing Lebron is gone in year or two?

[loveshaq007]

trade bronny, LeBron, cam and Vincent... for scary Terry, JJ, and Bam

screw the extra Media pressure, and find some dawgs to play basketball with. let LeBron team up with the shooters and Butler

Works for me, but 2 things: Lebron now has no-trade..so he's gotta like it. Secondly, does that team want that pile of players, knowing Lebron is gone in year or two?

Vincent was excellent in Miami, and LeBron is the perfect player on Miami in the East.

[Anderson Hunt]

Like with Westbrook, every team smells Pelinka's desperation. Like with Westbrook, the Lakers have two coveted picks at their disposal. Like with Westbrook, every team the Lakers call want those picks, so the market is bare.

Like with Westbrook, nobody wants him! If I were any other team, I'd want picks too. I'm not taking that clunker for $30 mil a year, unless you make it worth my while. And Vando, or Rui or any of the other collection don't do it. And nobody can argue that. The Lakers have been trying to move DLo for a year, and you can bet they've tried everything.

While I completely agree with your post....I ask who this center is, that's gonna make the difference? Remember.....Dwight was older, but was still in top condition, and had a career of knowledge behind him, of being a dominant center. And more importantly....Jokic was a puppy back when we beat them. Dwight wouldn't have fared so well had Jokic been 3-4 years more experienced. This team needs another big for sure.....but some half-decent center isn't going to get us much further, imo. And this center needs to be able to hit outside shots. Having 2 bigs clogging the paint is just suicide in todays NBA.

We're in lockstep here.

There is no magical center that saves the day, and whatever defensive center they eventually do acquire, realistically, won't even play with Davis that often (unless he can shoot, which isn't likely).

More than likely, the defensive center they acquire will simply be a big, thick stiff who can rebound a little and block some shots -- nothing magical.

The center they acquire won't even play 20 minutes a game, so I'm with you.

All that being said, this team needs a guy like that to have a balanced roster.

They need a defensive center, but not nearly as bad as they need another twenty-point scorer who isn't a defensive liability.

The overall point is that Pelinka can't even see the obvious. His vision is flawed.

[danfantastk32]

The overall point is that Pelinka can't even see the obvious. His vision is flawed.

Agree. Would like to see the Buss family sell the team, and then have a full overhaul. I got no beef with the chefs, and the cleaning crews, and trainers....but I'd prob vote to replace all of them as well...just on principle. This team is mentally stuck in the showtime/Kobe era. Too much reflection on the good ol' days....too much reliance on "the brand". Jerry was a visionary, but none of his kids are. And times have changed drastically. But there's zero adapting here.

If Jeanie hired a Pat Riley type of guy as president/gm, and promised to get 100% out of the way....I'd prob be alright with them owning it. I like the "family business" thing. But everyone currently in the Lakers offices needs to leave. Even the good ones. I know there will be some regrettable firings....but clean sweep.

I mean....Klay didnt even meet with the Lakers FO as far as I know. He took less $$$ to go to Dallas. Even with his ex-Laker dad championing the Laker brand. Lebron called him several times....was willing to take a pretty sizeable pay-cut to get Klay here. And in the end he took less money to go elsewhere. Firstly....we can all officially put to rest that stupid notion that paying Kobe built this incredible cache with NBA players. Let's all never bring that up again, please. Secondly....how can you conclude anything but Klay looked at it and decided "I dont want to go to the Lakers. I will take less money, and go elsewhere, even at the expense of my dad."

We're not an appealing destination everyone. The "brand" thing aint working. Our FO doesn't impress. Ask Hurley. He took less money to stay in college for pete's sake. Major changes are needed.

[Anderson Hunt]

The overall point is that Pelinka can't even see the obvious. His vision is flawed.

Agree. Would like to see the Buss family sell the team, and then have a full overhaul. I got no beef with the chefs, and the cleaning crews, and trainers....but I'd prob vote to replace all of them as well...just on principle. This team is mentally stuck in the showtime/Kobe era. Too much reflection on the good ol' days....too much reliance on "the brand". Jerry was a visionary, but none of his kids are. And times have changed drastically. But there's zero adapting here.

If Jeanie hired a Pat Riley type of guy as president/gm, and promised to get 100% out of the way....I'd prob be alright with them owning it. I like the "family business" thing. But everyone currently in the Lakers offices needs to leave. Even the good ones. I know there will be some regrettable firings....but clean sweep.

I mean....Klay didnt even meet with the Lakers FO as far as I know. He took less $$$ to go to Dallas. Even with his ex-Laker dad championing the Laker brand. Lebron called him several times....was willing to take a pretty sizeable pay-cut to get Klay here. And in the end he took less money to go elsewhere. Firstly....we can all officially put to rest that stupid notion that paying Kobe built this incredible cache with NBA players. Let's all never bring that up again, please. Secondly....how can you conclude anything but Klay looked at it and decided "I dont want to go to the Lakers. I will take less money, and go elsewhere, even at the expense of my dad."

We're not an appealing destination everyone. The "brand" thing aint working. Our FO doesn't impress. Ask Hurley. He took less money to stay in college for pete's sake. Major changes are needed.

I think the front office shine of the Lakers came off when Jerry West left. Sure they win rings after he left and they even recruited Malone and Payton, but choosing Phil Jackson over West cost them more than people know.

Sure, Jackson was integral for the moment, but with West in tow, your future is secure for several decades.

To me, he had that type of vision. He was in no way perfect, but he was as good as it gets.

The Buss kids aren't leaders. As much as I've railed on Pelinka, everything ultimately falls on the feet of the owner/Playboy bunny.

[danfantastk32]

Yep....I was a big supporter of Jeanie. But enough is enough.

The Lakers have the biggest fan-base in the NBA...nobody else close. It should be easy to attract FA's here. I know you don't win them all....but just don't have bad breath....and your gonna get alot of what you want. We aren't even getting looks. And when we do, guys are opting for less pay to not come here. It's insane.

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[Godfather13]

Yeah.. totally not nearly good enough to build a title contender around

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The only team to have not made a trade or signed an FA yet.

[Godfather13]

The overall point is that Pelinka can't even see the obvious. His vision is flawed.

Agree. Would like to see the Buss family sell the team, and then have a full overhaul. I got no beef with the chefs, and the cleaning crews, and trainers....but I'd prob vote to replace all of them as well...just on principle. This team is mentally stuck in the showtime/Kobe era. Too much reflection on the good ol' days....too much reliance on "the brand". Jerry was a visionary, but none of his kids are. And times have changed drastically. But there's zero adapting here.

If Jeanie hired a Pat Riley type of guy as president/gm, and promised to get 100% out of the way....I'd prob be alright with them owning it. I like the "family business" thing. But everyone currently in the Lakers offices needs to leave. Even the good ones. I know there will be some regrettable firings....but clean sweep.

I mean....Klay didnt even meet with the Lakers FO as far as I know. He took less $$$ to go to Dallas. Even with his ex-Laker dad championing the Laker brand. Lebron called him several times....was willing to take a pretty sizeable pay-cut to get Klay here. And in the end he took less money to go elsewhere. Firstly....we can all officially put to rest that stupid notion that paying Kobe built this incredible cache with NBA players. Let's all never bring that up again, please. Secondly....how can you conclude anything but Klay looked at it and decided "I dont want to go to the Lakers. I will take less money, and go elsewhere, even at the expense of my dad."

We're not an appealing destination everyone. The "brand" thing aint working. Our FO doesn't impress. Ask Hurley. He took less money to stay in college for pete's sake. Major changes are needed.

Pat is awfully overrated, but I agree with your general thought process.

[Pointgod]

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The only team to have not made a trade or signed an FA yet.

It’s been a lacklustre offseason other than hooking up the James family.

[Pointgod]

The overall point is that Pelinka can't even see the obvious. His vision is flawed.

Agree. Would like to see the Buss family sell the team, and then have a full overhaul. I got no beef with the chefs, and the cleaning crews, and trainers....but I'd prob vote to replace all of them as well...just on principle. This team is mentally stuck in the showtime/Kobe era. Too much reflection on the good ol' days....too much reliance on "the brand". Jerry was a visionary, but none of his kids are. And times have changed drastically. But there's zero adapting here.

If Jeanie hired a Pat Riley type of guy as president/gm, and promised to get 100% out of the way....I'd prob be alright with them owning it. I like the "family business" thing. But everyone currently in the Lakers offices needs to leave. Even the good ones. I know there will be some regrettable firings....but clean sweep.

I mean....Klay didnt even meet with the Lakers FO as far as I know. He took less $$$ to go to Dallas. Even with his ex-Laker dad championing the Laker brand. Lebron called him several times....was willing to take a pretty sizeable pay-cut to get Klay here. And in the end he took less money to go elsewhere. Firstly....we can all officially put to rest that stupid notion that paying Kobe built this incredible cache with NBA players. Let's all never bring that up again, please. Secondly....how can you conclude anything but Klay looked at it and decided "I dont want to go to the Lakers. I will take less money, and go elsewhere, even at the expense of my dad."

We're not an appealing destination everyone. The "brand" thing aint working. Our FO doesn't impress. Ask Hurley. He took less money to stay in college for pete's sake. Major changes are needed.

Wish I could give this 10 And 1’s. I was supportive of Jeanie over her idiot brother but she needs to step away from the basketball side and have someone with autonomy run it. There’s no plan, vision or long term strategy other than just letting Klutch make decisions.

[stan francisco]

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The only team to have not made a trade or signed an FA yet.

I’m pretty fine staying put, too. We now have a coach again. It could be worth giving it a whirl as is.

Seriously, what Pelinka pulled off last year assembling this roster was quite remarkable. The price tags… It’s a very versatile roster with many multiposition players, a good mix of young and veterans, quick and big lineups are possible.

Here’s our current roster per the Lakers site:

Guards: AR, Russell, Dinwiddie, JHS, Christie, Vincent, Knecht, Bronny

Forwards: LBJ, Reddish, Hinson, Lewis, Hachimura, Vando, Traoré

Centers: AD, Hayes, Wood, Castleton

[Anderson Hunt]

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The only team to have not made a trade or signed an FA yet.

I’m pretty fine staying put, too. We now have a coach again. It could be worth giving it a whirl as is.

Seriously, what Pelinka pulled off last year assembling this roster was quite remarkable. The price tags… It’s a very versatile roster with many multiposition players, a good mix of young and veterans, quick and big lineups are possible.

Here’s our current roster per the Lakers site:

Guards: AR, Russell, Dinwiddie, JHS, Christie, Vincent, Knecht, Bronny

Forwards: LBJ, Reddish, Hinson, Lewis, Hachimura, Vando, Traoré

Centers: AD, Hayes, Wood, Castleton

No Dinwiddie.

[Anderson Hunt]

My rotation as is:

PG - Russell - Reaves - Schifino
SG - Christie - Vincent - James
C --- Davis - Vanderbilt - Hayes
PF - James - Wood - Reddish
SF - Hachimura - Knecht - Lewis

For me, James guards more centers this year because Vanderbilt becomes Davis' backup.

[TyCobb]

We need a big badly. Something like Russell, Reddish, and Lewis for Capela.

[DanishLakerFan]

We need a big badly. Something like Russell, Reddish, and Lewis for Capela.

JHS and removal of protection of pick to Utah for Kessler?

[TyCobb]

We need a big badly. Something like Russell, Reddish, and Lewis for Capela.

JHS and removal of protection of pick to Utah for Kessler?

He is definitely my number one target just not sure we can compete with offers probably on the table.

[tamaraw08]

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The only team to have not made a trade or signed an FA yet.

I’m pretty fine staying put, too. We now have a coach again. It could be worth giving it a whirl as is.

Seriously, what Pelinka pulled off last year assembling this roster was quite remarkable. The price tags… It’s a very versatile roster with many multiposition players, a good mix of young and veterans, quick and big lineups are possible.

Here’s our current roster per the Lakers site:

Guards: AR, Russell, Dinwiddie, JHS, Christie, Vincent, Knecht, Bronny

Forwards: LBJ, Reddish, Hinson, Lewis, Hachimura, Vando, Traoré

Centers: AD, Hayes, Wood, Castleton

yeah, I think this team want to see if JJ can truly maximize the talent of this current team esp if they stay healthy.
They are also hoping other teams would start lowering their asking price esp with the expiring contract of DLo and them wanting to dump contracts.
I am guessing if they really need to shake things up, they will go with their favorite trade partner, the Wizards. The same team who absorbed the contracts of Bongga and Wagner when they desperately needed to dump their contracts. Wizards also happily "gave up" Russ when the Lakers wanted the declining star then pretty much gift wrapped their young player in Rui.
By the trade deadline, Lakers can choose from Valanciunas, Kuzma, Kispert, Brogdon etc but it's going to cost them a FRP, hopefully just one.