Shams: Luka Doncic to the Lakers

[danfantastk32]

Dont think u can expect a griö of picks. He were just traded, and will be expiring. Think it would be like fox + a first or fvv and a 1st

I was responding to your post about 5 up that you think Luka will want a SNT (assume that's sign n trade??). I disagree with him being unhappy, but if he is, I think a S&T would be the most reasonable. So he wouldn't be an expiring...in fact, you'd be getting a full contract. So I do think a nice package of picks would be expected.

No use responding to this guy. He’s just a Laker hater. Most Mavs fans are.

They learned it from Cuban. Guy musta ripped his hair out when he found out about the trade...lol. I bet Cuban sells his minority stake. This is gonna dig at his soul.

[SweetTouch]

Never thought I’ll see someone pass the ball as well as James

[Astaluego]

I was responding to your post about 5 up that you think Luka will want a SNT (assume that's sign n trade??). I disagree with him being unhappy, but if he is, I think a S&T would be the most reasonable. So he wouldn't be an expiring...in fact, you'd be getting a full contract. So I do think a nice package of picks would be expected.

No use responding to this guy. He’s just a Laker hater. Most Mavs fans are.

They learned it from Cuban. Guy musta ripped his hair out when he found out about the trade...lol. I bet Cuban sells his minority stake. This is gonna dig at his soul.

I don't think it's funny to laugh at Mavs fans... especially with the stench of corruption that comes from this unbalanced and senseless trade, many of us love (now your player).. I've been sleepless for years to follow Luka and the Mavs.. yesterday I was up almost all night to watch the LAKERS... they have a perfect moment to show class

[danfantastk32]

No use responding to this guy. He’s just a Laker hater. Most Mavs fans are.

They learned it from Cuban. Guy musta ripped his hair out when he found out about the trade...lol. I bet Cuban sells his minority stake. This is gonna dig at his soul.

I don't think it's funny to laugh at Mavs fans... especially with the stench of corruption that comes from this unbalanced and senseless trade, many of us love (now your player).. I've been sleepless for years to follow Luka and the Mavs.. yesterday I was up almost all night to watch the LAKERS... they have a perfect moment to show class

Well, read it again. Was making fun of Cuban....not Mavs fans. I got no beef with Mavericks, or their fans. Definitely was rooting BIG TIME when they faced the Heat in the finals. Dirk's the real deal. So glad he got a ring. And let's just air it out: I know the Lakers have won 11 rings since the merger....and not only that, but they've lost about 7-9 title-series as well. So we've kinda owned the West. So I get it that Spurs fans look at us as rivals....as do Suns fans, and Blazers fans, and Sacramento fans, etc. I get it, and it doesn't bother me at all.

But it's well documented that Cuban hated the Lakers. Out here on local sports talk, they would interview hotel staff that talked about always secretly hoping the Mavs would win....cause Mark would throw huge parties afterwards, with bottles and bottles of wine. Giant tips, and all that good stuff. And despite that, I always liked Mark as an owner. Cool to see a guy so into his team. Perhaps a little TOO into his team??? I mean, we both know he's rubbed a few out to dirk.....come'on. But there's a little "grim satisfaction" that the dude who hated your team had to swallow that bitter pill. Little karma for playing such a large role in getting that CP3 trade nixed 12-13 years back. If that's classless, then so be it.

[BEazy]

I was responding to your post about 5 up that you think Luka will want a SNT (assume that's sign n trade??). I disagree with him being unhappy, but if he is, I think a S&T would be the most reasonable. So he wouldn't be an expiring...in fact, you'd be getting a full contract. So I do think a nice package of picks would be expected.

No use responding to this guy. He’s just a Laker hater. Most Mavs fans are.

Im not a laker hater, not sure what u get that from? Im just being realistic.

No, you're not fooling anyone. You're just praying the Lakers get screwed like your sorry franchise did. Even if Luka wanted out, he'd still demand at least five first round picks in a sign and trade. And don’t act like I’m making this up; I’m pulling this straight from your own board. You’re a Laker hater, just like the rest of your fanbase. Quit the fake innocence.

Mavs fans stay salty. It must’ve shattered your fragile little heart to watch your once in a lifetime generational talent end up rocking purple and gold. I’ve lived in Dallas long enough to know how deep the hatred runs, and guess what? I love it. Keep crying, I’ll keep laughing. Sorry, not sorry.

[stan francisco]

Never thought I’ll see someone pass the ball as well as James

Yeah. Pistol Pete, Petrovic and Magic come to mind…

[LakersSoul]

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I see it.

Nico hated Luka’s defense. Its literally matador defense, guy sucks on D and whines way too much but is a passing savant.

[DoItALL9]

Mavericks fans should erect a statue for Luka in Dallas.

At the unveiling they should announce "we" have retired his number too.

[stan francisco]

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I see it.

Nico hated Luka’s defense. Its literally matador defense, guy sucks on D and whines way too much but is a passing savant.

Like Wilbon said on day one, imagine how much they must’ve hated him in order to opt out. I’m hoping Luka under JJ’s direction can continue playing some defense. He started out okay but if he doesn’t play defense consistently — in every game — we can’t win. It’s a chemistry thing. See D Lo.

[wco81]

Luka can score so much that he will always have positive impact.

He also passes and rebounds too.

You're going to have him in closing lineups because he's an elite bucket-getter, even if he's giving up blow bys on the other end.

They say one of his best skills is the ability to play slow, de-accelerate, to get off the shot he wants. But the flip side is the lack of quickness means he will always be a defensive liability.

He has size and strength though so he may hold up okay on switches against 4s and 5s somewhat.

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I see it.

Nico hated Luka’s defense. Its literally matador defense, guy sucks on D and whines way too much but is a passing savant.

Like Wilbon said on day one, imagine how much they must’ve hated him in order to opt out. I’m hoping Luka under JJ’s direction can continue playing some defense. He started out okay but if he doesn’t play defense consistently — in every game — we can’t win. It’s a chemistry thing. See D Lo.

LA is 6.9 points better in D, when Luka is on court. In that period only Hayes is better in D. For example LA is just 2.2 better in that period in D when LeBron plays. AR is disastrous, LA is 5.2 points better when he's off court.

The same story was in Mavs Luka had impressive numbers in D, because he's fantastic rebounder for his position and has a lot of steals that translate in team D, even if he's occasionally blown by. D is not just on ball D against faster players, you should look at what happens with score, when Luka plays. LA is 18.3 points better, when he is on court. In the same period
LA is - 2.8 when LeBron plays and + 3.8 when AR plays. Those numbers show pretty interesting story.

[stan francisco]

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I see it.

Nico hated Luka’s defense. Its literally matador defense, guy sucks on D and whines way too much but is a passing savant.

Like Wilbon said on day one, imagine how much they must’ve hated him in order to opt out. I’m hoping Luka under JJ’s direction can continue playing some defense. He started out okay but if he doesn’t play defense consistently — in every game — we can’t win. It’s a chemistry thing. See D Lo.

LA is 6.9 points better in D, when Luka is on court. In that period only Hayes is better in D. For example LA is just 2.2 better in that period in D when LeBron plays. AR is disastrous, LA is 5.2 points better when he's off court.

The same story was in Mavs Luka had impressive numbers in D, because he's fantastic rebounder for his position and has a lot of steals that translate in team D, even if he's occasionally blown by. D is not just on ball D against faster players, you should look at what happens with score, when Luka plays. LA is 18.3 points better, when he is on court. In the same period
LA is - 2.8 when LeBron plays and + 3.8 when AR plays. Those numbers show pretty interesting story.

Yeah, I’ve been impressed with his defense. I go by the eye test. He’s smart at reading plays, getting deflections, steals and rebounds. He’s a ball magnet. In the last two games there were a lot of Luka blow-bys, though. Gotta be real. Standing still ball watching is so depleting for team spirit. Your biggest star diving to the floor does the opposite and that’s exactly what gets the LA fans to go nuts. I haven’t seen that from him yet. He tries harder on offense.

Once he gets what the LA fans are about — hard work, which is why you always hear “defense” at Crypto louder than any other chant, he’ll hopefully dig in more consistently.

Reaves needs a stronger lower base in order not to get pushed around so much. He tries hard on defense which is a good sign for the future but he needs to improve his core strength.

[Bob8]

Like Wilbon said on day one, imagine how much they must’ve hated him in order to opt out. I’m hoping Luka under JJ’s direction can continue playing some defense. He started out okay but if he doesn’t play defense consistently — in every game — we can’t win. It’s a chemistry thing. See D Lo.

LA is 6.9 points better in D, when Luka is on court. In that period only Hayes is better in D. For example LA is just 2.2 better in that period in D when LeBron plays. AR is disastrous, LA is 5.2 points better when he's off court.

The same story was in Mavs Luka had impressive numbers in D, because he's fantastic rebounder for his position and has a lot of steals that translate in team D, even if he's occasionally blown by. D is not just on ball D against faster players, you should look at what happens with score, when Luka plays. LA is 18.3 points better, when he is on court. In the same period
LA is - 2.8 when LeBron plays and + 3.8 when AR plays. Those numbers show pretty interesting story.

Yeah, I’ve been impressed with his defense. I go by the eye test. He’s smart at reading plays, getting deflections, steals and rebounds. He’s a ball magnet. In the last two games there were a lot of Luka blow-bys, though. Gotta be real. Standing still ball watching is so depleting for team spirit. Your biggest star diving to the floor does the opposite and that’s exactly what gets the LA fans to go nuts. I haven’t seen that from him yet. He tries harder on offense.

Once he gets what the LA fans are about — hard work, which is why you always hear “defense” at Crypto louder than any other chant, he’ll hopefully dig in more consistently.

Reaves needs a stronger lower base in order not to get pushed around so much. He tries hard on defense which is a good sign for the future but he needs to improve his core strength.

You got his diving to the floor yesterday.

My point is a bit different, Luka will always got those blow-bys, he's too big and too slow to prevent that, that's why you need good rim protector in his lineup. But he's still hugely positive on both ends, because of other things he does. Problem are lineups without Luka, which are a lot worse on both ends. If your expectations are that he should be the best POA defender of the team, you will be hugely disappointed.

[stan francisco]

LA is 6.9 points better in D, when Luka is on court. In that period only Hayes is better in D. For example LA is just 2.2 better in that period in D when LeBron plays. AR is disastrous, LA is 5.2 points better when he's off court.

The same story was in Mavs Luka had impressive numbers in D, because he's fantastic rebounder for his position and has a lot of steals that translate in team D, even if he's occasionally blown by. D is not just on ball D against faster players, you should look at what happens with score, when Luka plays. LA is 18.3 points better, when he is on court. In the same period
LA is - 2.8 when LeBron plays and + 3.8 when AR plays. Those numbers show pretty interesting story.

Yeah, I’ve been impressed with his defense. I go by the eye test. He’s smart at reading plays, getting deflections, steals and rebounds. He’s a ball magnet. In the last two games there were a lot of Luka blow-bys, though. Gotta be real. Standing still ball watching is so depleting for team spirit. Your biggest star diving to the floor does the opposite and that’s exactly what gets the LA fans to go nuts. I haven’t seen that from him yet. He tries harder on offense.

Once he gets what the LA fans are about — hard work, which is why you always hear “defense” at Crypto louder than any other chant, he’ll hopefully dig in more consistently.

Reaves needs a stronger lower base in order not to get pushed around so much. He tries hard on defense which is a good sign for the future but he needs to improve his core strength.

You got his diving to the floor yesterday.

My point is a bit different, Luka will always got those blow-bys, he's too big and too slow to prevent that, that's why you need good rim protector in his lineup. But he's still hugely positive on both ends, because of other things he does. Problem are lineups without Luka, which are a lot worse on both ends. If your expectations are that he should be the best POA defender of the team, you will be hugely disappointed.

I certainly don’t expect that from him. As a former soccer player who played offense very well, and had little concern for defense, I can relate to his approach, but if we’re talking NBA championship here, I foresee him having to work harder or defense than he is right now in order for us to win it all. Same for the whole team, but his good offense is not a legit excuse from improving his effort on defense. This is not the Mavs.

[Bob8]

Yeah, I’ve been impressed with his defense. I go by the eye test. He’s smart at reading plays, getting deflections, steals and rebounds. He’s a ball magnet. In the last two games there were a lot of Luka blow-bys, though. Gotta be real. Standing still ball watching is so depleting for team spirit. Your biggest star diving to the floor does the opposite and that’s exactly what gets the LA fans to go nuts. I haven’t seen that from him yet. He tries harder on offense.

Once he gets what the LA fans are about — hard work, which is why you always hear “defense” at Crypto louder than any other chant, he’ll hopefully dig in more consistently.

Reaves needs a stronger lower base in order not to get pushed around so much. He tries hard on defense which is a good sign for the future but he needs to improve his core strength.

You got his diving to the floor yesterday.

My point is a bit different, Luka will always got those blow-bys, he's too big and too slow to prevent that, that's why you need good rim protector in his lineup. But he's still hugely positive on both ends, because of other things he does. Problem are lineups without Luka, which are a lot worse on both ends. If your expectations are that he should be the best POA defender of the team, you will be hugely disappointed.

I certainly don’t expect that from him. As a former soccer player who played offense very well, and had little concern for defense, I can relate to his approach, but if we’re talking NBA championship here, I foresee him having to work harder or defense than he is right now in order for us to win it all. Same for the whole team, but his good offense is not a legit excuse from improving his effort on defense. This is not the Mavs.

He has second best defensive rtg in LA. Better than DFS and far better than LeBron. I would say that's should be enough, for someone, whose profession is offense.

[stan francisco]

You got his diving to the floor yesterday.

My point is a bit different, Luka will always got those blow-bys, he's too big and too slow to prevent that, that's why you need good rim protector in his lineup. But he's still hugely positive on both ends, because of other things he does. Problem are lineups without Luka, which are a lot worse on both ends. If your expectations are that he should be the best POA defender of the team, you will be hugely disappointed.

I certainly don’t expect that from him. As a former soccer player who played offense very well, and had little concern for defense, I can relate to his approach, but if we’re talking NBA championship here, I foresee him having to work harder or defense than he is right now in order for us to win it all. Same for the whole team, but his good offense is not a legit excuse from improving his effort on defense. This is not the Mavs.

He has second best defensive rtg in LA. Better than DFS and far better than LeBron. I would say that's should be enough, for someone, whose profession is offense.

Agreed. He has room to grow then as he sometimes still doesn’t even try on defense, see last two games. Same goes for every single player on the entire roster, including Bron. We’re going for a championship? Better play with some more desperation then on that end. Like we did, only a few games ago. The whole team didn’t try hard enough on defense in the last two games, minus DFS. I’m talking about effort, buy-in, hard work, doggedness, not stats. It’s about digging in. We need that spirit not to fizzle out at this crucial point of the season.

Lakers fans know what it takes to win championships because we’re spoiled having experienced it so much. Hard nosed, unwavering defensive effort is the lowest common denominator whenever we’ve won it all. Without that, no rings. Period. Luka has no rings. Yet.

[Bob8]

I certainly don’t expect that from him. As a former soccer player who played offense very well, and had little concern for defense, I can relate to his approach, but if we’re talking NBA championship here, I foresee him having to work harder or defense than he is right now in order for us to win it all. Same for the whole team, but his good offense is not a legit excuse from improving his effort on defense. This is not the Mavs.

He has second best defensive rtg in LA. Better than DFS and far better than LeBron. I would say that's should be enough, for someone, whose profession is offense.

Agreed. He has room to grow then as he sometimes still doesn’t even try on defense, see last two games. Same goes for every single player on the entire roster, including Bron. We’re going for a championship? Better play with some more desperation then on that end. Like we did, only a few games ago. The whole team didn’t try hard enough on defense in the last two games, minus DFS. I’m talking about effort, buy-in, hard work, doggedness, not stats. It’s about digging in. We need that spirit not to fizzle out at this crucial point of the season.

Lakers fans know what it takes to win championships because we’re spoiled having experienced it so much. Hard nosed, unwavering defensive effort is the lowest common denominator whenever we’ve won it all. Without that, no rings. Period. Luka has no rings. Yet.

It's impossible to expect someone with the biggest burden on offensive side to have the same burden on defensive side, especially if he's not built to be great defender. Even MJ needed Pippen. At the moment the biggest problem is LeBron, he's not playing good enough in offensive side and not good enough in defensive side, lineups with him and without Luka are just bad.

Lakers problem is much bigger than just effort. They need rim protector desperately. Unfortunately they couldn't get better big than Len.

[stan francisco]

He has second best defensive rtg in LA. Better than DFS and far better than LeBron. I would say that's should be enough, for someone, whose profession is offense.

Agreed. He has room to grow then as he sometimes still doesn’t even try on defense, see last two games. Same goes for every single player on the entire roster, including Bron. We’re going for a championship? Better play with some more desperation then on that end. Like we did, only a few games ago. The whole team didn’t try hard enough on defense in the last two games, minus DFS. I’m talking about effort, buy-in, hard work, doggedness, not stats. It’s about digging in. We need that spirit not to fizzle out at this crucial point of the season.

Lakers fans know what it takes to win championships because we’re spoiled having experienced it so much. Hard nosed, unwavering defensive effort is the lowest common denominator whenever we’ve won it all. Without that, no rings. Period. Luka has no rings. Yet.

It's impossible to expect someone with the biggest burden on offensive side to have the same burden on defensive side, especially if he's not built to be great defender. Even MJ needed Pippen. At the moment the biggest problem is LeBron, he's not playing good enough in offensive side and not good enough in defensive side, lineups with him and without Luka are just bad.

Lakers problem is much bigger than just effort. They need rim protector desperately. Unfortunately they couldn't get better big than Len.

Kobe played both ends effectively in his prime. That’s the bar here if you’re the star of this team. Effort and attention to defense has nothing to do with body style. That’s all I’m saying. Not saying he’s ideally built for defense. But I don’t agree that the best offensive player can’t be expected to play both ends as hard. Like a prime Kobe did. Like Gasol did. Like Artest. Like Horry. Like Fox. Like Cooper. Like Worthy. Like Fisher. Like AD. Again, I’m a spoiled Lakers fan. Luka has to be as focused on that end as he is on offense. He has lazy tendencies at times. That’s a mindset.

And I agree 100% with us needing a big. Hayes will have to play out of his mind on defense without fouling in order for us to win it all, but no matter how hard he plays, and I’m thrilled with his play since AD left, he’s still a twig. Len seems to be a 7’ marshmallow. Too slow, too tentative, looks lost. Rui is solid but too short to play C. Same with DFS, same with Vando. We need one less player of height 6’7”-6’10”, and we need to add a 7’2” future Wemby and Holmgren retardant who can shoot threes.

[Bob8]

Agreed. He has room to grow then as he sometimes still doesn’t even try on defense, see last two games. Same goes for every single player on the entire roster, including Bron. We’re going for a championship? Better play with some more desperation then on that end. Like we did, only a few games ago. The whole team didn’t try hard enough on defense in the last two games, minus DFS. I’m talking about effort, buy-in, hard work, doggedness, not stats. It’s about digging in. We need that spirit not to fizzle out at this crucial point of the season.

Lakers fans know what it takes to win championships because we’re spoiled having experienced it so much. Hard nosed, unwavering defensive effort is the lowest common denominator whenever we’ve won it all. Without that, no rings. Period. Luka has no rings. Yet.

It's impossible to expect someone with the biggest burden on offensive side to have the same burden on defensive side, especially if he's not built to be great defender. Even MJ needed Pippen. At the moment the biggest problem is LeBron, he's not playing good enough in offensive side and not good enough in defensive side, lineups with him and without Luka are just bad.

Lakers problem is much bigger than just effort. They need rim protector desperately. Unfortunately they couldn't get better big than Len.

Kobe played both ends effectively in his prime. That’s the bar here if you’re the star of this team. Effort and attention to defense has nothing to do with body style. That’s all I’m saying. Not saying he’s ideally built for defense. But I don’t agree that the best offensive player can’t be expected to play both ends as hard. Like a prime Kobe did. Like Gasol did. Like Artest. Like Horry. Like Fox. Like Cooper. Like Worthy. Like Fisher. Like AD. Again, I’m a spoiled Lakers fan. Luka has to be as focused on that end as he is on offense. He has lazy tendencies at times. That’s a mindset.

And I agree 100% with us needing a big. Hayes will have to play out of his mind on defense without fouling in order for us to win it all, but no matter how hard he plays, and I’m thrilled with his play since AD left, he’s still a twig. Len seems to be a 7’ marshmallow. Too slow, too tentative, looks lost. Rui is solid but too short to play C. Same with DFS, same with Vando. We need one less player of height 6’7”-6’10”, and we need to add a 7’2” future Wemby and Holmgren retardant who can shoot threes.

I guess Magic was very lucky that you didn't judge him. I doubt Shaq was trying all the time either.

[stan francisco]

It's impossible to expect someone with the biggest burden on offensive side to have the same burden on defensive side, especially if he's not built to be great defender. Even MJ needed Pippen. At the moment the biggest problem is LeBron, he's not playing good enough in offensive side and not good enough in defensive side, lineups with him and without Luka are just bad.

Lakers problem is much bigger than just effort. They need rim protector desperately. Unfortunately they couldn't get better big than Len.

Kobe played both ends effectively in his prime. That’s the bar here if you’re the star of this team. Effort and attention to defense has nothing to do with body style. That’s all I’m saying. Not saying he’s ideally built for defense. But I don’t agree that the best offensive player can’t be expected to play both ends as hard. Like a prime Kobe did. Like Gasol did. Like Artest. Like Horry. Like Fox. Like Cooper. Like Worthy. Like Fisher. Like AD. Again, I’m a spoiled Lakers fan. Luka has to be as focused on that end as he is on offense. He has lazy tendencies at times. That’s a mindset.

And I agree 100% with us needing a big. Hayes will have to play out of his mind on defense without fouling in order for us to win it all, but no matter how hard he plays, and I’m thrilled with his play since AD left, he’s still a twig. Len seems to be a 7’ marshmallow. Too slow, too tentative, looks lost. Rui is solid but too short to play C. Same with DFS, same with Vando. We need one less player of height 6’7”-6’10”, and we need to add a 7’2” future Wemby and Holmgren retardant who can shoot threes.

I guess Magic was very lucky that you didn't judge him. I doubt Shaq was trying all the time either.

Even Magic and Shaq played defense in the years they won us rings. I used to yell at the TV when Shaq was lazy, yes.