The LeBron Thread (merged)

[Danny Darko]

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[Landsberger]

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So.... numbers for Jordan and Bron but none for Kobe. Interesting.

Wonder what Kareem's was..... I seem to remember him sealing just about every playoff win.

[Danny Darko]

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So.... numbers for Jordan and Bron but none for Kobe. Interesting.

Wonder what Kareem's was..... I seem to remember him sealing just about every playoff win.

Nah Kobe was awful, that's just not the narrative:

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[Landsberger]

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So.... numbers for Jordan and Bron but none for Kobe. Interesting.

Wonder what Kareem's was..... I seem to remember him sealing just about every playoff win.

Nah Kobe was awful, that's just not the narrative:

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Anyone got Kareems? I'd wait for the "league of their own" stuff till I saw that one. While I remember the makes more than the misses... just in his Laker days I can remember many big shots from him.

The most memorable was when he hit a basked and got fouled in game 5 of the 80 series. He was playing on a severely sprained ankle and scored 14 of our last 18 points including the 3 point play to set up Magic's game 6 while he sat out.

[milesfides]

From today's ESPN First Take:

Scottie Pippen: Lebron, he's not what Michael was...He's not even what Kobe was as a player...Lebron doesn't have that gene...The other night, the game was on the line. And he made little to no effort to go after the ball.

Max Kellerman: Well he is 100 years old. He has more mileage on his legs than when Jordan was on the Wizards by that point in his career.

Here it finally comes. Once the mainstream media changes its tune on Lebron, it's over. Lebron will become untradeable. For not only his $40m a year for the next three years, but his age, his career worst injury, and exiting early or missing the playoffs entirely. Also, the strings attached with Rich Paul and Klutch? The AD debacle? How many teams are comfortable with all that?

We have to cut bait before he sinks the franchise. We have to do what Danny Ainge did to Paul Pierce, a Celtics great, and Kevin Garnett when they were beginning to slip - he traded them. If Magic does not have the the guts to do that, he needs to be fired. Trading Lebron may not be easy. But soon, it may be impossible.

[madmaxmedia]

Lakers got into bed with Lebron and Klutch, getting out is not gonna be so easy.

Literally, yes they can just trade him. But there would be so much going on behind the scenes, just as in New Orleans. I don't think it would end well for anyone, unless the destination was somewhere Lebron geniunely wanted to go.

[milesfides]

I agree, because no team would take on Lebron and his contract without believing he’s fully committed. My hope is that we can trade him to NY or Boston, wherever Anthony Davis lands. I don’t think New Orleans will trade AD to the Lakers period.

I would do any trade just for nothing but capspace or a trade exception. Because trading Lebron away is like trading for Kawhi Leonard.

[BB_Fan]

It makes sense to trade LeBron if we can get Kwahi. You can build a team around Kwahi/Cousins/Young players and Target Ben simmons in 2019. I am sure Ben's girlfriend wants him to play for Lakers

[thebigbird]

LeBron is statistically one of the most clutch players of all time. Only stupid people still say he's not clutch.

[Danny Darko]

I've been thinking about how LeBron will age and the kind of build physically reminds me of Karl Malone.
That's a good thing if LeBron follows Karl's aging profile as he was very consistent and capable until 40. Small dip at 35, but look at his lifetime production by year: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/malonka01.html

Per wire tap Bron thinks he has a ton of years left, that is very possible. Jordan played until 39 and had a game that might not age as well as LeBron's. Also the modern NBA has reduced physical contact since Jordan's era, so LeBron might be around a long time.

[Sedale Threatt]

LeBron is statistically one of the most clutch players of all time. Only stupid people still say he's not clutch.

Especially when you expand beyond the extremely narrow parameter of last-second shots. He committed arguably the greatest superstar choke job of all time in the 2011 Finals. But after that he ripped off one monster performance after another when the Heat or Cavaliers absolutely had to have it. I think his first half against the Celtics in Game 6 back in 2012 might have been the best basketball I've ever seen, and I've seen a bit. It's too bad we couldn't have gotten him about four years younger.

[thebigbird]

LeBron is statistically one of the most clutch players of all time. Only stupid people still say he's not clutch.

Especially when you expand beyond the extremely narrow parameter of last-second shots. He committed arguably the greatest superstar choke job of all time in the 2011 Finals. But after that he ripped off one monster performance after another when the Heat or Cavaliers absolutely had to have it. I think his first half against the Celtics in Game 6 back in 2012 might have been the best basketball I've ever seen, and I've seen a bit. It's too bad we couldn't have gotten him about four years younger.

His numbers in elimination games have been insane too. He choked in 2011, and then we've seen clutch game after clutch game from him in the 7 years since. Yet to some, 1 series outweighs 7 years of great performances.

[Maple Green]

I agree, because no team would take on Lebron and his contract without believing he’s fully committed. My hope is that we can trade him to NY or Boston, wherever Anthony Davis lands. I don’t think New Orleans will trade AD to the Lakers period.

I would do any trade just for nothing but capspace or a trade exception. Because trading Lebron away is like trading for Kawhi Leonard.

As Boston fan, we are not high on Lebron and please don't destroy the chemistry,
See what happen to Miami
see what happen in Cleveland
and foresee what happen to Lakers...

[Maple Green]

I agree, because no team would take on Lebron and his contract without believing he’s fully committed. My hope is that we can trade him to NY or Boston, wherever Anthony Davis lands. I don’t think New Orleans will trade AD to the Lakers period.

I would do any trade just for nothing but capspace or a trade exception. Because trading Lebron away is like trading for Kawhi Leonard.

As Boston fan, we are not high on Lebron and please don't destroy the chemistry,
See what happen to Miami
see what happen in Cleveland
and foresee what happen to Lakers...

And later on later on he request fire Stevens as what he done in Cleveland (David Blatt) and currently Lakers (walton)

[thebigbird]

I agree, because no team would take on Lebron and his contract without believing he’s fully committed. My hope is that we can trade him to NY or Boston, wherever Anthony Davis lands. I don’t think New Orleans will trade AD to the Lakers period.

I would do any trade just for nothing but capspace or a trade exception. Because trading Lebron away is like trading for Kawhi Leonard.

As Boston fan, we are not high on Lebron and please don't destroy the chemistry,
See what happen to Miami
see what happen in Cleveland
and foresee what happen to Lakers...

What happened in Miami and Cleveland is that they went to 8 straight finals, won 3 titles and beat Boston in the playoffs in 2011, 2012, 2015, 2017 and 2018.

[milesfides]

Lebron didn't win anything without at least two Hall of Famers and all-stars in their primes: Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Kyrie Irving, and Kevin Love.

Lebron couldn't find that situation again last summer for a variety of reasons. You have to realize, Lebron abandons even those elite teammates if it's anything short of ideal. He left Kevin Love (after Kyrie left him). And he left both Bosh and Wade when they were only 29 and 32.

He's a vampire. He's loyal to nobody but himself and his legacy, and he goes around the league looking for perfect situations to exploit. He forces teams to overspend and mortgage their future for years. Well now his MO is exposed.

Free agents don't want to play with Lebron and teams don't want to trade their all-stars to a Lebron team. So what's left? Nothing. For him to just get old and stood up.

Karma paid him back this season. But it's Magic's fault for picking up the bill.

[jigga_man]

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[thebigbird]

Lebron didn't win anything without at least two Hall of Famers and all-stars in their primes: Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Kyrie Irving, and Kevin Love.

Lebron couldn't find that situation again last summer for a variety of reasons. You have to realize, Lebron abandons even those elite teammates if it's anything short of ideal. He left Kevin Love (after Kyrie left him). And he left both Bosh and Wade when they were only 29 and 32.

He's a vampire. He's loyal to nobody but himself and his legacy, and he goes around the league looking for perfect situations to exploit. He forces teams to overspend and mortgage their future for years. Well now his MO is exposed.

Free agents don't want to play with Lebron and teams don't want to trade their all-stars to a Lebron team. So what's left? Nothing. For him to just get old and stood up.

Karma paid him back this season. But it's Magic's fault for picking up the bill.

No elite player wins without other great players on his team. Jordan never won without Pippen. Kobe won with Shaq and then Gasol. Magic won with Kareem. What's your point? He's not going anywhere, so get over it already. He's committed to the Lakers long-term.

[Kilroy]

To me, I think the Clutch argument is a perfect example of an on the floor concept that's been redefined via selective stats to 'prove' a popular 'fact'... Namely that LeBron IS in fact Clutch...

To me "Clutch" isn't just about burying daggars in the last second of close games... That's a narrowing of the definition that plays to LeBron's unique gifts, in that his physicality allows him to make more of the shots he takes because he can A: Absorb more contact than almost any player in history at his position, and B: He's been afforded SuperStar rules since halfway through his rookie season... His efficiency is off the charts as a result of that, in ALL game situations.

I think "Clutch" is broader than the last second shot... It's that feeling that a game is never decided as long as a certain player is on the court... You're down 15pts with 2 min to play... If you have LeBron? You're already looking for your car keys... But if you have MJ, or Kobe, or even Bird, Stockton, Nash, Magic, Kareem, etc... You're still glued to the TV... Because you know that those guys can put their team on their backs and carry them to victory, not just by nailing the last second shot, but by making ALL the crucial plays down the stretch to get to the point to Nail the last second shot...

Pippen's right... LeBron himself, has often checked out with a couple minutes left in games... I've only seen one post season where we saw the kind of will to win that could even be mentioned in the same discussion as MJ and Kobe... That was the last Chip in Cleveland... He was spectacular in that post season... No question... But even so, it didn't give you MJ and Kobe levels of confidence, and we haven't seen it from him a whole lot.

Robert Horry may be the most clutch player I've ever seen if it just was about last second shots... Or Ray Allen, or Reggie Miller... Or Klay Thompson, or Curry...
But I don't think that limited definition of what it means to be clutch belongs in the GOAT discussion... The GOAT should be held to a higher standard...

[myersia]

Let’s just hope Lebron can lead us to the playoffs. If there’s anyone in the league that can it’s Lebron...if he wants too


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