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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#301 » by KuzControl » Mon Dec 30, 2024 11:27 pm

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KuzControl wrote:Before this trade, we could’ve put together about 25mil worth of expiring contracts. What star/‘needle mover’ is getting paid only 25mil?

This deal is good. It improves a clear area of weakness that should elevate our current ceiling, for minimal cost. Get a better backup C for salary and the remaining two 2nds we have, and I think we’ll be much better off


So I agree with your first point. There really wasn't much that could be done with DLo's $19mil. The Lakers were sorta stuck not being able to really make a push for anything we'd call great. That's sorta been my point in wanting a rebuild - that we don't have the realistic resources to add something great - and so we're in agreement there.

I disagree with your 2nd point. This isn't a good deal. It was a deal, to make a deal. Giving up 3 2nd round picks for a guy who sorta shores up a weak point.....but really doesn't move this team up into contention, is just lip service to either the fans, or Lebron. I'm not sure which (prob both), by this completely incapable FO. I mean, you essentially admitted as much. We couldn't get a "needle-mover" with DLo's contract....and right you are! We certainly didn't get one.

Almost all the facts still stand: 1)This team isn't a contender. 2) Lebron is in decline, and the end of the road is in sight. 3) AD's best days are behind him. And while there may be a good year or two left...he's never had it in him to lead a team anywhere, and he never will. This team will go as far as Lebron goes....and that get less and less. 4)The timeline for the inevitable rebuild hasn't moved.

But what has changed, is we now can't use our expiring contract to get picks. And in fact we're now 3 short on said picks that we will desperately need here in the near future. And for what???? Finney-Smith?? Give me a f**ing break.

When I say ‘needle mover’, I mean it in the context of using just one trade to get a clear roster upgrade

This deal is not the only thing that we need, but it lifts our ‘floor’ when it comes to the playoffs. DLo always had the risk of being a 100% negative if he wasn’t hitting shots - DFS at least provides good defensive value. Follow-up moves need to happen (and I’m hopeful, but not certain they will), but we’ve made a step in the right direction. I think one or more extra trades can put us in a ‘contending’ spot

From what I can tell, you’re very low on our contending chances, either way, so we’re gonna disagree no matter what
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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#302 » by danfantastk32 » Tue Dec 31, 2024 12:54 am

KuzControl wrote: From what I can tell, you’re very low on our contending chances, either way, so we’re gonna disagree no matter what


Well we got swept by Denver 2 years ago....got trounced in 5 games by them last year. We've essentially done nothing to upgrade our roster, while Lebron is now 40, and declining. So...I mean, you got a reason to think we're contenders, or even close?
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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#303 » by KuzControl » Tue Dec 31, 2024 1:58 am

danfantastk32 wrote:
KuzControl wrote: From what I can tell, you’re very low on our contending chances, either way, so we’re gonna disagree no matter what


Well we got swept by Denver 2 years ago....got trounced in 5 games by them last year. We've essentially done nothing to upgrade our roster, while Lebron is now 40, and declining. So...I mean, you got a reason to think we're contenders, or even close?

I mean, Denver’s gotten worse, and we’ve addressed two of the key reasons we lost - POA defense (Christie) and wing defense (DFS)
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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#304 » by Danny Darko » Tue Dec 31, 2024 2:29 am

speaking of Denver, I'm watching Kessler vs Joker. I still think Kessler is the target or should be even if it means dealing with Ainge. Kessler isn't a star, but neither was Javale

He looks like he needs to get stronger vs Joker and also I'd like to see more killer instinct on D, though he clearly has the tools.
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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#305 » by SlimShady83 » Tue Dec 31, 2024 3:22 am

Danny Darko wrote:speaking of Denver, I'm watching Kessler vs Joker. I still think Kessler is the target or should be even if it means dealing with Ainge. Kessler isn't a star, but neither was Javale

He looks like he needs to get stronger vs Joker and also I'd like to see more killer instinct on D, though he clearly has the tools.



Check out Kessler's game log vs Denver come back and report to me and tell me you wouldn't want Kessler/AD block party Also watching :nod: :nod: :nod:

Edit: no blks this game yet, but look at the gamelog:)
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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#306 » by SlimShady83 » Tue Dec 31, 2024 6:21 am

​​In order for me centers should be; Kessler $5mil (package deal 2 pic probably, alone not worth 2 frp's), Richards $5mil (only srp's not frp's), Ayton (too much $32 mil ish probably frp's), Claxton (too much probably frp's), Vuc (not worth frp's only 2 srp's unless maybe package deal?), Jonas (not worth frp's only 2rp's or just salary matching) and of course you need salary matching to all.
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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#307 » by Up-And-Coming » Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:28 am

Dropping $3 mil under the 1st Apron was deliberate. We just have to consolidate a few players for our next trade to be players on the waiver wire/buyout market. There seems to be more serviceable Point Guards available on the waivers than Centers so I'd prioritize acquiring a quality backup Center via trade.

There's these point guards currently available to be signed:

Markelle Fultz
Dennis Smith Jr
Devonte Graham (already in our South Bay system)

But I'm more intrigued with Elfrid Payton. Still just 30 and had a solid stint with the Pelicans this season where he recorded a career high in assists before he got waived when Dejounte Murray came back from injury. He reminds me of Laker's version of Rajon Rondo as a pass first guard, above average defender (point of attack) and an above average rebounder although he's more reluctant to shoot the 3 than Rondo. He would fit in the same 2019/20 defensive mold they seem to be trying to emulate. Also has experience playing with AD back when they were both in New Orleans. Just a name to keep in mind.
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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#308 » by stan francisco » Tue Dec 31, 2024 12:23 pm

DFS is a tough player. Plays hard defense, is a smart player. Crashes offensive boards, shoots the corner three very well.

Great improvement. Addition by subtraction, indeed. Now we can finally build a team defense culture. Good luck, D Lo!

3 SRPs? Hell yeah! It hurts but hell yeah! What are three SRPs going to do for us in three years when we need to win now? We’ve been in win now mode since Bron and Brow came here. We’ve been in never win mode since D Lo has been here. Now we have a shot at actually being consistent defensively. DFS competes on that end, and he defends 1-5 and won’t be a liability on switches.

Milton is not all that bad either.

This also opens up our trade options.
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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#309 » by zuju » Tue Dec 31, 2024 1:35 pm

SlimShady83 wrote:​​In order for me centers should be; Kessler $5mil (package deal 2 pic probably, alone not worth 2 frp's), Richards $5mil (only srp's not frp's), Ayton (too much $32 mil ish probably frp's), Claxton (too much probably frp's), Vuc (not worth frp's only 2 srp's unless maybe package deal?), Jonas (not worth frp's only 2rp's or just salary matching) and of course you need salary matching to all.


Who are you offering for tuner if the Pacers is willing to talk?

WCJ and Johnathan Issac (25M this season & 15M the next) should also be names to consider.
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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#310 » by loveshaq007 » Tue Dec 31, 2024 1:46 pm

Jacob is the man to target with Mitchel

vando, hood, wood, Gabe and unprotected first... for Jacob and Mitchell
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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#311 » by stan francisco » Tue Dec 31, 2024 4:32 pm

I’m very excited about DFS. His corner three will open up lanes. His intensity, swag and fight will help the whole team on defense. Veteran presence.

Nice job, Rob!

Kessler and Isaac are both targets I’d pursue now.

It is win now time!

As for a Jerry West like move landing us a star like Donovan or Ingram or Curry, Rob still has some ways to go, big moves to make. We need a lucky break circumstance and a trading partner or three who really wants our FRP offers. Who is tanking?

Getting Ingram back would be incredible.

I think we’re making more moves. If not, when Vando and Hayes and Gabe are healthy I still like our chances of making the playoffs.
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Post#312 » by SlimShady83 » Tue Dec 31, 2024 6:38 pm

zuju wrote:Who are you offering for tuner if the Pacers is willing to talk?

WCJ and Johnathan Issac (25M this season & 15M the next) should also be names to consider.


There's been talk on youtube that, Pacers Turner doesn't want to leave and Pacers also want to keep him, so don't see him leaving unless maybe $$$ come into play?, Turner Is the same age as AD or one year older I think <> from memory? Wouldn't throw a FRP at him, maybe salary + srp's maybe 1frp at most. If I'm throwing FRP's I want them to at least be young (Kessler example) OR very least someone like Giannis (never happening just example) who's probably going to be instant chip.

As for WCJ, Johnathan Issac, don't know about them, haven't heard much on them.
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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#313 » by stan francisco » Tue Dec 31, 2024 7:04 pm

I heard someone suggesting JHS plus one or two FRPs for Kessler. Would you do it? I would but preferably only one FRP.

PG Reaves / Vincent / Milton
SG Knecht / Christie / Reddish
SF LBJ / Reddish / Traoré
PF DFS / Rui / Vando
C AD / Kessler / Koloko / Hayes

Then I’d try to turn Hayes, Gabe and a protected FRP into a bulldog POA PG defender.

But my ultimate pipe dream here is that we in some miraculous way get Ingram back.
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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#314 » by SlimShady83 » Tue Dec 31, 2024 7:19 pm

stan francisco wrote:I heard someone suggesting JHS plus one or two FRPs for Kessler. Would you do it? I would but preferably only one FRP.


Personally I probably would just because I'm high on him LOL ...

But I think getting him IN a package deal with Sexton/JC? Is best as you get more depth, only trade left I can come up with for that now Is

Rui (just got DFS sooo), JHS, Hayes 2frp's for Kessler/Sexton... You can always trade Sexton later on, now that DLO Is gone, could be a good replacement, still got Gabe/Cam etc to make another trade.

seems like both here on this forum other sections and youtube etc everyone seems to want Kessler on the Lakers or expecting It to happen etc. I think it's just matter of time for that too happen on what the deal will be, who knows? Rob will do something, deadline Is feb 7th.
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Post#315 » by WentzerWuver » Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:12 pm

stan francisco wrote:I heard someone suggesting JHS plus one or two FRPs for Kessler. Would you do it? I would but preferably only one FRP.

PG Reaves / Vincent / Milton
SG Knecht / Christie / Reddish
SF LBJ / Reddish / Traoré
PF DFS / Rui / Vando
C AD / Kessler / Koloko / Hayes

Then I’d try to turn Hayes, Gabe and a protected FRP into a bulldog POA PG defender.

But my ultimate pipe dream here is that we in some miraculous way get Ingram back.
Most would but not the Fleeced King! Did you forget how much he fleeced Minny for Gobert which included Kessler. He wants the same thing for Kessler which is both unprotected frp plus 3 srp, ar15 or max along with Knecht. Danny boy definitely don't want a bust like JHS who still can't get any mins on the Lakers tossed in...would you? Lol

https://youtube.com/shorts/WNwbmXygE08?si=7oo_r6Q6xXC5hsjX

Kessler is a much better player than limited Gobert.

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Post#316 » by TylersLakers » Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:15 pm

I think our biggest need is a shot creator. There's a report out of New Orleans that Ingram is going to be dealt by the deadline. If Vando comes back within the next couple weeks and looks like himself, I'd be willing to make this deal by the deadline:

Lakers, Pistons, Pelicans:

To Lakers: Ingram, Javonte Green, 2031 2nd round pick from Detroit (Top 55 Protected)
To Pistons: Gabe Vincent, JHS, 2028 1st round pick swap with LAL, 2025 2nd round pick from LAL
To Pelicans: Hardaway Jr, Rui Hachimura, Max Christie, 2029 1st from LAL (unprotected)

Why for Pistons? They take on Vincents salary for the remainder of this year and next but get JHS, a 2nd round pick from LAL, and a pick swap.

Why for Pelicans? Expiring salary in Hardaway Jr, an unprotected pick in 2029 from Lakers, and a young piece in Christie. They also get a totally serviceable player in Rui (who's been great for us the past month) who will be an expiring contract next year.

Why for Lakers? They get a premium shot creator and keep a healthy and productive Vando. We'd also have 2 open roster spots. Sign Dennis Smith Jr.

Then trade Wood and a 2031 1st (unprotected) to Utah for Walker Kessler.

PG: Reaves/Dennis Smith Jr/Bronny
SG: Ingram/Knecht/Green/Milton
SF: DFS/Reddish/
PF: LeBron/Vando/
C: Davis/Kessler/Hayes

2 ways: Traore, Olivari, Koloko

A playoff rotation of Reaves/Ingram/DFS/LeBron/Davis with Vando/Knecht/Kessler off the bench is legit.
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Post#317 » by WentzerWuver » Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:32 pm

TylersLakers wrote:I think our biggest need is a shot creator. There's a report out of New Orleans that Ingram is going to be dealt by the deadline. If Vando comes back within the next couple weeks and looks like himself, I'd be willing to make this deal by the deadline:

Lakers, Pistons, Pelicans:

To Lakers: Ingram, Javonte Green, 2031 2nd round pick from Detroit (Top 55 Protected)
To Pistons: Gabe Vincent, JHS, 2028 1st round pick swap with LAL, 2025 2nd round pick from LAL
To Pelicans: Hardaway Jr, Rui Hachimura, Max Christie, 2029 1st from LAL (unprotected)

Why for Pistons? They take on Vincents salary for the remainder of this year and next but get JHS, a 2nd round pick from LAL, and a pick swap.

Why for Pelicans? Expiring salary in Hardaway Jr, an unprotected pick in 2029 from Lakers, and a young piece in Christie. They also get a totally serviceable player in Rui (who's been great for us the past month) who will be an expiring contract next year.

Why for Lakers? They get a premium shot creator and keep a healthy and productive Vando. We'd also have 2 open roster spots. Sign Dennis Smith Jr.

Then trade Wood and a 2031 1st (unprotected) to Utah for Walker Kessler.

PG: Reaves/Dennis Smith Jr/Bronny
SG: Ingram/Knecht/Green/Milton
SF: DFS/Reddish/
PF: LeBron/Vando/
C: Davis/Kessler/Hayes

2 ways: Traore, Olivari, Koloko

A playoff rotation of Reaves/Ingram/DFS/LeBron/Davis with Vando/Knecht/Kessler off the bench is legit.
This would work if you can avoid dealing with the Fleeced King. They are not even shopping Kessler but wants to unload Collins to go young on their rebuild. Lakers could use Collins to backup AD.

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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#318 » by stan francisco » Tue Dec 31, 2024 9:06 pm

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stan francisco wrote:I heard someone suggesting JHS plus one or two FRPs for Kessler. Would you do it? I would but preferably only one FRP.

PG Reaves / Vincent / Milton
SG Knecht / Christie / Reddish
SF LBJ / Reddish / Traoré
PF DFS / Rui / Vando
C AD / Kessler / Koloko / Hayes

Then I’d try to turn Hayes, Gabe and a protected FRP into a bulldog POA PG defender.

But my ultimate pipe dream here is that we in some miraculous way get Ingram back.
Most would but not the Fleeced King! Did you forget how much he fleeced Minny for Gobert which included Kessler. He wants the same thing for Kessler which is both unprotected frp plus 3 srp, ar15 or max along with Knecht. Danny boy definitely don't want a bust like JHS who still can't get any mins on the Lakers tossed in...would you? Lol

https://youtube.com/shorts/WNwbmXygE08?si=7oo_r6Q6xXC5hsjX

Kessler is a much better player than limited Gobert.

https://www.si.com/nba/jazz/news/nba-offseason-utah-jazz-untouchable


Actually, I’m one fan who believes in JHS. I thought he’d break out this year. Maybe next year? Isn’t his an expiring deal, too? I’ve seen stretches of defense by him in the summer league and g league that spoke volumes. He’s young, not yet a bust at all. Big potential still. He’s built like a tank, quick, a combo guard who plays defense, 6’5”. Combo guards take a few years to settle in, especially when drafted at 17 or 18 years of age.

Utah’s season is a bust. Ainge got edged out by his life long employer.

I’m not gonna say it can’t happen because we simply don’t know enough inside to predict. If the leprechaun insists on remaining a resentful idiot from envy-green Boston, cool. Let’s talk to another team who don’t have dumbfckus running the place.

I have a feeling we’re working hard to land Ingram. If that’s the case, I’d be fine with a C lineup of AD, Hayes, Koloko.

Who wouldn’t be?
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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#319 » by SlimShady83 » Tue Dec 31, 2024 9:40 pm

WentzerWuver wrote:
A playoff rotation of Reaves/Ingram/DFS/LeBron/Davis with Vando/Knecht/Kessler off the bench is legit.
This would work if you can avoid dealing with the Fleeced King. They are not even shopping Kessler but wants to unload Collins to go young on their rebuild. Lakers could use Collins to backup AD.
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If you include the 2 pics to get Kessler, Utah will take It, just because they say they're not shopping him doesn't mean they still won't agree to a deal, esp If It makes them happy.
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Post#320 » by zuju » Tue Dec 31, 2024 11:15 pm

I am not a fan of bringing Ingram back. Don't know why, i don't feel his fire in the game. His defense is also skeptical. To be honest, i'd rather try Williamson over Ingram

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