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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#321 » by stan francisco » Wed Jan 1, 2025 12:25 am

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WentzerWuver wrote:
A playoff rotation of Reaves/Ingram/DFS/LeBron/Davis with Vando/Knecht/Kessler off the bench is legit.
This would work if you can avoid dealing with the Fleeced King. They are not even shopping Kessler but wants to unload Collins to go young on their rebuild. Lakers could use Collins to backup AD.

If you include the 2 pics to get Kessler, Utah will take It, just because they say they're not shopping him doesn't mean they still won't agree to a deal, esp If It makes them happy.


Exactly.

And it’s not like we can ass-ume that Bron will play next season and next and look at whom to draft this summer etc. Send out the picks! I’d guess Bron wants to win one more, then he can retire on top. I’m ready for the next era.

If we make the playoffs, a defensive lineup of AD, Vando, DFS, Reddish and Christie would just be a nightmare to face for any opponent. No playmaking needed for running the break. Can’t wait to see DFS, Reddish and a healthy Vando shutting down Murray for instance.
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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#322 » by SlimShady83 » Wed Jan 1, 2025 12:31 am

And while I'm waiting for today's game fun fact

- Vando Is making practice atm, non physical contact, but It's something. Might be a while b4 he comes back and he won't be at full strength this season, but a healthy Vando next season Look out. Can't wait to see what his like come return. first few games back will be shady though.
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Post#323 » by SlimShady83 » Wed Jan 1, 2025 12:34 am

Also let's say Bron plays next year, 1 more year left, have you guys seen the list 2026 freeagent list, looks pretty good to me.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/_/year/2026/sort/contract_value
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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#324 » by WentzerWuver » Wed Jan 1, 2025 2:37 am

stan francisco wrote:
SlimShady83 wrote:
WentzerWuver wrote:
A playoff rotation of Reaves/Ingram/DFS/LeBron/Davis with Vando/Knecht/Kessler off the bench is legit.
This would work if you can avoid dealing with the Fleeced King. They are not even shopping Kessler but wants to unload Collins to go young on their rebuild. Lakers could use Collins to backup AD.

If you include the 2 pics to get Kessler, Utah will take It, just because they say they're not shopping him doesn't mean they still won't agree to a deal, esp If It makes them happy.


Exactly.

And it’s not like we can ass-ume that Bron will play next season and next and look at whom to draft this summer etc. Send out the picks! I’d guess Bron wants to win one more, then he can retire on top. I’m ready for the next era.

If we make the playoffs, a defensive lineup of AD, Vando, DFS, Reddish and Christie would just be a nightmare to face for any opponent. No playmaking needed for running the break. Can’t wait to see DFS, Reddish and a healthy Vando shutting down Murray for instance.
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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#325 » by SlimShady83 » Wed Jan 1, 2025 2:59 am

WentzerWuver wrote:I was the one who posted the Fleeced King comment but SlimShady flip it around Lol. I guess he wasn't the real Slim Shady or is he?!?

https://youtube.com/shorts/0IGCSwOLJlg?si=tol1zfBtqEB9VkPh


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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#326 » by WentzerWuver » Wed Jan 1, 2025 4:14 am

SlimShady83 wrote:
WentzerWuver wrote:I was the one who posted the Fleeced King comment but SlimShady flip it around Lol. I guess he wasn't the real Slim Shady or is he?!?

https://youtube.com/shorts/0IGCSwOLJlg?si=tol1zfBtqEB9VkPh


I quoted you, but something went wrong and then Stan quoted me S@#$ happens, who cares.
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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#327 » by Anderson Hunt » Wed Jan 1, 2025 10:52 am

As part of a larger multi-team trade ...

Lakers in:
LaVine, Jevon Carter, Gary Payton II, Keshad Johnson, and Pelle Larsson.

Lakers out:
Hachimura, Vanderbilt, Gabe Vincent, Max Christie, Hood-Schifino, Jaxon Hayes, Christian Wood, Shake Milton, and Reddish.

Lakers sign:
Biyombo, Dwight Howard, Cedi Osman, and Troy Brown Jr.

PG - Reaves - Carter - James
SG - LaVine - Payton - Larsson
C --- Davis - Biyombo - Howard
PF - James - Osman - Johnson
SF - Smith - Knecht - Brown Jr.
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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#328 » by stan francisco » Wed Jan 1, 2025 1:15 pm

SlimShady83 wrote:Also let's say Bron plays next year, 1 more year left, have you guys seen the list 2026 freeagent list, looks pretty good to me.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/_/year/2026/sort/contract_value


:o

That’s an incredible list of free agents.

SGA would be cool.
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Post#329 » by TylersLakers » Wed Jan 1, 2025 3:11 pm

zuju wrote:I am not a fan of bringing Ingram back. Don't know why, i don't feel his fire in the game. His defense is also skeptical. To be honest, i'd rather try Williamson over Ingram


This is the biggest Ingram concern. Until LeBron goes, he’s essentially going to be a role player. Will he be able to accept that if the Lakers commit to extending him at near max money?
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Post#330 » by SlimShady83 » Wed Jan 1, 2025 5:58 pm

Anderson Hunt wrote:As part of a larger multi-team trade ...

Lakers in:
LaVine, Jevon Carter, Gary Payton II, Keshad Johnson, and Pelle Larsson.

Lakers out:
Hachimura, Vanderbilt, Gabe Vincent, Max Christie, Hood-Schifino, Jaxon Hayes, Christian Wood, Shake Milton, and Reddish.

Lakers sign:
Biyombo, Dwight Howard, Cedi Osman, and Troy Brown Jr.


Lakers not trading Max and I doubt any team wants to take on Vando's contract.

Teams don't want to take on longterm contract unless It's for something like an allstar IN return ... Also forget about Howard, If It was goingto happen It would have happend already :lol:
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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#331 » by Up-And-Coming » Thu Jan 2, 2025 1:23 am

Pelinka can go several different ways with this. Sounds like we'll wait until the deadline to make our next move so that gives us a little over a month to evaluate the roster which should give Vanderbilt enough time to come back and see if he can cement his role on this team or recoup some trade value.

If they choose to trade for another wing/ball handler I think the top realistic options would be Bruce Brown Jr and Malcolm Brogdon. Both are from non-competitive Eastern Conference teams which we've been reported to be in trade discussions with in the past several seasons and both seem to be franchises more willing to work with the Lakers. Both contracts are also expiring which would give the front office even more flexibility in the offseason (DFS already reported to opt out according to Michael Scotto) and both shouldn't cost more than a protected 1st IF that (could just be 2nds/Swap).

Out of the 2 I'm more of an advocate for Bruce Brown Jr as I think he just provides more physicality and athletic point of attack defense which this team lacks but he might cost a little more especially considering Masai has been a little more stingy than Will Dawkins. Both are capable ball handlers and playmakers but Brogdon would add more shooting. If the Lakers go this route I expect them to try to wrap in a smaller salaried backup Center like Nick Richards or DayRon Sharpe (both also expiring) with a couple expiring minimum contracts instead of going after a mid-sized contract Center like Valanciunas, Robert Williams, Olynyk.
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Post#332 » by WentzerWuver » Thu Jan 2, 2025 5:32 pm

Up-And-Coming wrote:Pelinka can go several different ways with this. Sounds like we'll wait until the deadline to make our next move so that gives us a little over a month to evaluate the roster which should give Vanderbilt enough time to come back and see if he can cement his role on this team or recoup some trade value.

If they choose to trade for another wing/ball handler I think the top realistic options would be Bruce Brown Jr and Malcolm Brogdon. Both are from non-competitive Eastern Conference teams which we've been reported to be in trade discussions with in the past several seasons and both seem to be franchises more willing to work with the Lakers. Both contracts are also expiring which would give the front office even more flexibility in the offseason (DFS already reported to opt out according to Michael Scotto) and both shouldn't cost more than a protected 1st IF that (could just be 2nds/Swap).

Out of the 2 I'm more of an advocate for Bruce Brown Jr as I think he just provides more physicality and athletic point of attack defense which this team lacks but he might cost a little more especially considering Masai has been a little more stingy than Will Dawkins. Both are capable ball handlers and playmakers but Brogdon would add more shooting. If the Lakers go this route I expect them to try to wrap in a smaller salaried backup Center like Nick Richards or DayRon Sharpe (both also expiring) with a couple expiring minimum contracts instead of going after a mid-sized contract Center like Valanciunas, Robert Williams, Olynyk.
Raptors want a protected future 1st and JSH for Bruce Brown...would you do it?

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Post#333 » by WentzerWuver » Thu Jan 2, 2025 6:29 pm

SlimShady83 wrote:
Anderson Hunt wrote:As part of a larger multi-team trade ...

Lakers in:
LaVine, Jevon Carter, Gary Payton II, Keshad Johnson, and Pelle Larsson.

Lakers out:
Hachimura, Vanderbilt, Gabe Vincent, Max Christie, Hood-Schifino, Jaxon Hayes, Christian Wood, Shake Milton, and Reddish.

Lakers sign:
Biyombo, Dwight Howard, Cedi Osman, and Troy Brown Jr.


Lakers not trading Max and I doubt any team wants to take on Vando's contract.

Teams don't want to take on longterm contract unless It's for something like an allstar IN return ... Also forget about Howard, If It was goingto happen It would have happend already
Did you wrote this piece Slim Shady?

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/los-angeles-lakers/news/lakers-could-land-jazzs-young-superstar-parting-jalen-hood-schifino/0d33e924c4db5108fbd0b5aa

I will sadly repeat it again, the Fleeced King will NOT trade Kessler for JHS. They would want Max to start off any negotiations.
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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#334 » by stan francisco » Thu Jan 2, 2025 6:37 pm

WentzerWuver wrote:
SlimShady83 wrote:
Anderson Hunt wrote:As part of a larger multi-team trade ...

Lakers in:
LaVine, Jevon Carter, Gary Payton II, Keshad Johnson, and Pelle Larsson.

Lakers out:
Hachimura, Vanderbilt, Gabe Vincent, Max Christie, Hood-Schifino, Jaxon Hayes, Christian Wood, Shake Milton, and Reddish.

Lakers sign:
Biyombo, Dwight Howard, Cedi Osman, and Troy Brown Jr.


Lakers not trading Max and I doubt any team wants to take on Vando's contract.

Teams don't want to take on longterm contract unless It's for something like an allstar IN return ... Also forget about Howard, If It was goingto happen It would have happend already
Did you wrote this piece Slim Shady?

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/los-angeles-lakers/news/lakers-could-land-jazzs-young-superstar-parting-jalen-hood-schifino/0d33e924c4db5108fbd0b5aa

I will sadly repeat it again, the Fleeced King will NOT trade Kessler for JHS. They would want Max to start off any negotiations.


Really? With 2FRP attached he’d be a total begrudging aself-serving egotistical idiot not to consider it. If that’s his trip, cool. I don’t think you can say assuredly he wouldn’t. Rob might not be offering both FRPs.
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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#335 » by stan francisco » Thu Jan 2, 2025 6:38 pm

Up-And-Coming wrote:Pelinka can go several different ways with this. Sounds like we'll wait until the deadline to make our next move so that gives us a little over a month to evaluate the roster which should give Vanderbilt enough time to come back and see if he can cement his role on this team or recoup some trade value.

If they choose to trade for another wing/ball handler I think the top realistic options would be Bruce Brown Jr and Malcolm Brogdon. Both are from non-competitive Eastern Conference teams which we've been reported to be in trade discussions with in the past several seasons and both seem to be franchises more willing to work with the Lakers. Both contracts are also expiring which would give the front office even more flexibility in the offseason (DFS already reported to opt out according to Michael Scotto) and both shouldn't cost more than a protected 1st IF that (could just be 2nds/Swap).

Out of the 2 I'm more of an advocate for Bruce Brown Jr as I think he just provides more physicality and athletic point of attack defense which this team lacks but he might cost a little more especially considering Masai has been a little more stingy than Will Dawkins. Both are capable ball handlers and playmakers but Brogdon would add more shooting. If the Lakers go this route I expect them to try to wrap in a smaller salaried backup Center like Nick Richards or DayRon Sharpe (both also expiring) with a couple expiring minimum contracts instead of going after a mid-sized contract Center like Valanciunas, Robert Williams, Olynyk.


This. I’d love Bruce Brown here. Olynyk, too. On the right deal. Is Williams a glass man?
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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#336 » by SlimShady83 » Thu Jan 2, 2025 7:22 pm

stan francisco wrote:
WentzerWuver wrote: I will sadly repeat it again, the Fleeced King will NOT trade Kessler for JHS. They would want Max to start off any negotiations.


Really? With 2FRP attached he’d be a total begrudging aself-serving egotistical idiot not to consider it. If that’s his trip, cool. I don’t think you can say assuredly he wouldn’t. Rob might not be offering both FRPs.


There has been no talk about Utah wanting Max what so ever, have not seen any or heard any of any kind.

But like I said no way In hell are Lakers trading Max, not even for bigman Kessler and Lakers will say no.

There has been talk In the past about Utah wanting JHS at one stage, whether they still do or not "I'm not sure" and because of this talks have been ongoing between Utah and Lakers since b4 the season trades of;

1. Sexton/Kessler for JHS/DLO 2 pics can't happen NOW - Lakers said no to 2 pics apparently - Can use Rui instead of DLO
2. JHS for Hayes and 2 pics
3. Kessler/JC for Rui, Hayes, JHS 2 pics
etc etc

*Utah will take the deal of JHS 2 pics In a heartbeat for Kessler

There's much talk between the two teams, but seems like Lakers reluctant to give up both pics and/or include protections on them etc.

Right now prices are high but closer to the deadline prices might drop and I think this Is what Lakers are waiting for.

Lakers need a bigman, AD has stated he wants and needs help and Hayes/Koloko are not It.

Lakers need Defensive bigman that can do BLks/REB while giving AD much needed rest through out quarters or even play along side AD and give Bron rest etc

There's been much talk online about Jonas being a target for Lakers and I'll CRY If this happens, Jonas Is not the answer! the talk has been Gabe and srp's for Jonas If that's all It is, ok, only as a last resort. But like I said Jonas Is not the answer.
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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#337 » by stan francisco » Thu Jan 2, 2025 8:36 pm

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zuju wrote:I am not a fan of bringing Ingram back. Don't know why, i don't feel his fire in the game. His defense is also skeptical. To be honest, i'd rather try Williamson over Ingram


This is the biggest Ingram concern. Until LeBron goes, he’s essentially going to be a role player. Will he be able to accept that if the Lakers commit to extending him at near max money?


AD, Ingram and Bron are all three brilliant play makers. All three move well off the ball. There is no problem other than for the opposing coach.

SF Ingram, PF Bron, C AD.

Bron would welcome Ingram as a primary handler as Bron is entering the 3PT shooting twilight years of his career.
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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#338 » by tamaraw08 » Thu Jan 2, 2025 9:57 pm

stan francisco wrote:
TylersLakers wrote:
zuju wrote:I am not a fan of bringing Ingram back. Don't know why, i don't feel his fire in the game. His defense is also skeptical. To be honest, i'd rather try Williamson over Ingram


This is the biggest Ingram concern. Until LeBron goes, he’s essentially going to be a role player. Will he be able to accept that if the Lakers commit to extending him at near max money?


AD, Ingram and Bron are all three brilliant play makers. All three move well off the ball. There is no problem other than for the opposing coach.

SF Ingram, PF Bron, C AD.

Bron would welcome Ingram as a primary handler as Bron is entering the 3PT shooting twilight years of his career.


I think there's not a lot of Ingram fans like us who would welcome him.
Yes his ability to stay healthy is a concern but the guy has barely any glaring weakness IMO.
He shoots 37% from 3, 6-8 and can defend 3 positions, good ball handler and a pretty good shot creator.
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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#339 » by Anderson Hunt » Fri Jan 3, 2025 12:26 am

SlimShady83 wrote:
stan francisco wrote:
WentzerWuver wrote: I will sadly repeat it again, the Fleeced King will NOT trade Kessler for JHS. They would want Max to start off any negotiations.


Really? With 2FRP attached he’d be a total begrudging aself-serving egotistical idiot not to consider it. If that’s his trip, cool. I don’t think you can say assuredly he wouldn’t. Rob might not be offering both FRPs.


There has been no talk about Utah wanting Max what so ever, have not seen any or heard any of any kind.

But like I said no way In hell are Lakers trading Max, not even for bigman Kessler and Lakers will say no.

There has been talk In the past about Utah wanting JHS at one stage, whether they still do or not "I'm not sure" and because of this talks have been ongoing between Utah and Lakers since b4 the season trades of;

1. Sexton/Kessler for JHS/DLO 2 pics can't happen NOW - Lakers said no to 2 pics apparently - Can use Rui instead of DLO
2. JHS for Hayes and 2 pics
3. Kessler/JC for Rui, Hayes, JHS 2 pics
etc etc

*Utah will take the deal of JHS 2 pics In a heartbeat for Kessler

There's much talk between the two teams, but seems like Lakers reluctant to give up both pics and/or include protections on them etc.

Right now prices are high but closer to the deadline prices might drop and I think this Is what Lakers are waiting for.

Lakers need a bigman, AD has stated he wants and needs help and Hayes/Koloko are not It.

Lakers need Defensive bigman that can do BLks/REB while giving AD much needed rest through out quarters or even play along side AD and give Bron rest etc

There's been much talk online about Jonas being a target for Lakers and I'll CRY If this happens, Jonas Is not the answer! the talk has been Gabe and srp's for Jonas If that's all It is, ok, only as a last resort. But like I said Jonas Is not the answer.

1 - Christie should not be untouchable.
2 - The backup centers this team needs can be had on the waiver wire. They DO NOT need to give up capital for a guy who may only play 10-15 minutes a game. They just need to clear roster spots.
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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#340 » by SlimShady83 » Fri Jan 3, 2025 12:38 am

Anderson Hunt wrote:1 - Christie should not be untouchable.
2 - The backup centers this team needs can be had on the waiver wire. They DO NOT need to give up capital for a guy who may only play 10-15 minutes a game. They just need to clear roster spots.


1. Didn't say Max was untouchable, just saying in regards to trading Kessler I wouldn't do It and Lakers Love Max don't see them trading Max, unless It was In a pacage deal of some sort.

2. Kessler would get around 25 min or more on the Lakers, he could start some games next to AD or off the bench rotate around etc and when Bron goes he'll get even more minutes and this help push AD to the 4 <> what he wants.

Can't wait to see what the next 3-4 weeks holds for trades.
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