Lakers 2016 NBA draft #2 pick discussion

SashAlex · Post #341 » by **SashAlex** » Sun May 22, 2016 11:14 pm

NBA Moses wrote:
Karmaloop wrote:
No, just no. Honestly, at this point I think the whole DMC-to-Los Angeles train has left the station unless they're willing to take a Clarkson/Randle package which they shouldn't, nor would they.

Any team would be better off with Okafor over Cousins.When you throw salaries into the equation it becomes that much more obvious.

Okafor will have a better nba career than Brandon Ingram . As a Sixer fan I would consider a trade of #2 pick for Okafor based on the Sixers absolute glut of Bigs.

Many outsiders underestimate Jahlil Okafors future. The kid is super skilled and as he matures and better conditions himself is going to become one of the NBA great players. In 5 years you will be saying what happened to Karl Towns and Okafor will be in the middle of an 8 year span where he is averaging 28 points a game .

Wake up!

Crooked-I · Post #342 » by **Crooked-I** » Mon May 23, 2016 12:25 am

No way Lakers are trading the 2nd pick for Okafor. Lakers passed on Okafor last year and what's changed? He didn't really show anything last year that people didn't already know. He just doesn't fit with our team and I don't think he'll be good enough to warrant retooling the team. If he was then the Sixers would do it. Till he proves he can rebound at a good clip and be a net positive on defense, I want no part of him. I'd rather take my chances with Ingram.

I can appreciate Sixer fans standing behind their guy, but this is a little too much.

AcecardZ · Post #343 » by **AcecardZ** » Mon May 23, 2016 1:31 am

Poor Sixers... Loaded with big men and can't give them away. Okafor, Noel and Embiid....

miggs · Post #344 » by **miggs** » Mon May 23, 2016 2:27 am

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Colangelo seems like he's trying to let Simmons know that if he wants to pick him he will but it seems like a weak point, I think they'll go with Ingram if Simmons declines to meet with them. If they're going to draft Simmons, they'll do so against his wishes but they won't be able to convince him otherwise if they care to, that's why I think they avoid adding more potential headaches to an already dire situation and take Ingram. Both players are worthy of building around and Ingram shows no signs of being anything less than a star at the next level.

To me it seems for better or worse, we're stuck with Simmons at 2. Would love Ingram though man, perfect fit immediately

The Skyhook · Post #345 » by **The Skyhook** » Mon May 23, 2016 3:08 am

AcecardZ wrote:Poor Sixers... Loaded with big men and can't give them away. Okafor, Noel and Embiid....

Don't be surprised. I think theres going to be teams lining up to put together a package for Okafor.

dipstick · Post #346 » by **dipstick** » Mon May 23, 2016 3:51 am

The Skyhook wrote:
AcecardZ wrote:Poor Sixers... Loaded with big men and can't give them away. Okafor, Noel and Embiid....

Don't be surprised. I think theres going to be teams lining up to put together a package for Okafor.

I don't think anyone is saying he's worthless. The consensus is just that he's not worthy of our #2 especially if we passed on him last year.

I'm also not buying the Philly fans who are saying he will be better than Karl Towns, especially if you consider that he is the one they deem dispensable. If its just the glut that they are worried about then let us choose among the 3 who we want.

gts1 · Post #347 » by **gts1** » Mon May 23, 2016 4:08 am

AcecardZ wrote:Poor Sixers... Loaded with big men and can't give them away. Okafor, Noel and Embiid....

Embiid for sure... they'll literally have to give him away... Can't think of anyone who would take him on considering his history so far.

IgorK · Post #348 » by **IgorK** » Mon May 23, 2016 4:28 am

Ingram is more intriguing as a bizarro Durant / A.Davis hybrid. A lot of his scouted weaknesses are based on lack of strength (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8z2k9RMU58), something that just about every college player solves by his sophomore season in the league.

Simmons' weaknesses look bust-worthy. Players who have difficulty staying mentally strong in college usually get destroyed in the NBA. I also don't see the "superior" physical tools people cite, he looks league-average for a 3/4 hybrid.

Lakerglory1 · Post #349 » by **Lakerglory1** » Mon May 23, 2016 1:11 pm

NBA Moses wrote:
Karmaloop wrote:
I called him a glorified Brook Lopez, and I stand by that. He's a marginal rebounder for a man his size, and he's a terrible rim protector. That's not very valuable in an offensive game that is becoming based more on ball movement, 3 point shooting, and spacing. Okafor is talented, but he's a terrible fit with the Lakers and probably a huge chunk of teams. You can keep your talented big man.

From afar I could see an outsiders view of Okafor being less than enthralling

However to see Okafor up close you saw a kid who capitulated to his older(not necessarily better) teammates. A young kid feeling his way around trying not to step on any toes. But you also saw a highly skilled offensive low post machine. At 20 years old making 25-30 year old defenders look foolish. When you project forward at what Okafors talent might become , quite frankly its scary.

Like I said I might give a hint of interest in the #2 for Okafor but only because the Sixers are overstocked at the 4-5 position.

If Im the Lakers GM. If the Sixers offered me Okafor for the #2 pick. I wouldnt let him off the phone. Id fire the fax up immediately and get Colangelos signature on that deal.

Look, nobody on this board believes Okafor will help the Lakers get to the next level nor do we want him playing in LA. Yes the Lakers have a great history of bigs who taken this team to great levels but Okafor is not that guy, the front office passed on Okafor last year and that should tell you how the Lakers feel about Okafor. Now you should go to the Celtics forum and hope they trade the 3rd pick for Okafor instead.

dipstick · Post #350 » by **dipstick** » Mon May 23, 2016 2:01 pm

gts1 wrote:
AcecardZ wrote:Poor Sixers... Loaded with big men and can't give them away. Okafor, Noel and Embiid....
Embiid for sure... they'll literally have to give him away... Can't think of anyone who would take him on considering his history so far.

Not really. He's still a #1 pick talent (dropped due to injury) who is still on a rookie contract. For sure there would be interest. He would still have value, maybe just not what he potentially deserves.

Mirjalovic · Post #351 » by **Mirjalovic** » Mon May 23, 2016 3:23 pm

He is not that wrong. Okafor's potential is off the chart. No 19 years old center come out of college so polished offensively like Okafor.

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PKABOOICU · Post #352 » by **PKABOOICU** » Mon May 23, 2016 4:57 pm

Okafor is a rare player who can thrive so much by learning from Hakeem. He already has all the tools, but defensively Hakeem can make him credible.

slifersd · Post #353 » by **slifersd** » Mon May 23, 2016 5:04 pm

Okafor is a good player, but with the league moving away from these traditional low post scoring big men, his potential could be limited. Teams would have to build very specifically to cater to his weaknesses and he will never be able to run up and down the court like most centers do these days. The amount of open plays the other team can get on fast breaks would make it hard to ignore. And that's why despite his abilities, he would be a bad fit for Luke's system. He just isn't athletic enough for a pace and space style of offense.

NBA Moses · Post #354 » by **NBA Moses** » Mon May 23, 2016 5:08 pm

Lakerglory1 wrote:
Look, nobody on this board believes Okafor will help the Lakers get to the next level nor do we want him playing in LA.

I'd suggest you guys pack up the beach umbrellas a little early next year and see for yourselves the immense talent of Okafor.

Sixers games start at 4 PM P.S.T.

Okafor foir the #2 is an absolute no brainer for Kupchak.

Kupchak realizes he blew it last year by passing over Okafor and my guess is if the Sixers put that deal(#2 for Okafor) on the table he culdnt say Yes fast enough.

Okafor stats in 2018 will be 28 pts 10 boards. As a rookie he was immediately double teamed, as the Sixers talent and game improves he will be an unstoppable offensive force.

Post #355 » by **Slava** » Mon May 23, 2016 5:23 pm

NBA Moses wrote:
Lakerglory1 wrote:
Look, nobody on this board believes Okafor will help the Lakers get to the next level nor do we want him playing in LA.

I'd suggest you guys pack up the beach umbrellas a little early next year and see for yourselves the immense talent of Okafor.

Sixers games start at 4 PM P.S.T.

Okafor foir the #2 is an absolute no brainer for Kupchak.

Kupchak realizes he blew it last year by passing over Okafor and my guess is if the Sixers put that deal(#2 for Okafor) on the table he culdnt say Yes fast enough.

Okafor stats in 2018 will be 28 pts 10 boards. As a rookie he was immediately double teamed, as the Sixers talent and game improves he will be an unstoppable offensive force.

Piss off or you'll get a warning.

Post #356 » by **Kilroy** » Mon May 23, 2016 5:40 pm

What if the sixers go off the res and pick neither Simmons or Ingram #1? We'll have like 15min to make the toughest decision this team has had to make in forever.

MrWaffles · Post #357 » by **MrWaffles** » Mon May 23, 2016 5:53 pm

Kilroy wrote:What if the sixers go off the res and pick neither Simmons or Ingram #1? We'll have like 15min to make the toughest decision this team has had to make in forever.

I think it's more likely the Sixers end up trading down to #3 than them picking anyone other than Simmons or Ingram. However, you're right. Mitch will know what to do though.

TKainZero · Post #358 » by **TKainZero** » Mon May 23, 2016 6:01 pm

NBA Moses wrote:
Lakerglory1 wrote:
Look, nobody on this board believes Okafor will help the Lakers get to the next level nor do we want him playing in LA.

I'd suggest you guys pack up the beach umbrellas a little early next year and see for yourselves the immense talent of Okafor.

Sixers games start at 4 PM P.S.T.

Okafor foir the #2 is an absolute no brainer for Kupchak.

Kupchak realizes he blew it last year by passing over Okafor and my guess is if the Sixers put that deal(#2 for Okafor) on the table he culdnt say Yes fast enough.

Okafor stats in 2018 will be 28 pts 10 boards. As a rookie he was immediately double teamed, as the Sixers talent and game improves he will be an unstoppable offensive force.

Okafor for 32? not 2 right?

Or 1 and Okafor for Randle and 2... but I don't like that for the lakers... philly would need to add more.
Clarkson and 2 for Okafor... yea... That's the winner...

No one is mad they passed on okafor.
They only draft related angst related to Okafor is by the 76ers who took him over Porzingas, or any other player that wasn't a Center, when they already had ONE too many centers.

Who cares if he is getting 28 a game, if he is giving up 35 at the other end, and then the off the court issues.

Jon Snow · Post #359 » by **Jon Snow** » Mon May 23, 2016 7:00 pm

Nah, I'm ecstatic we got the pick. I'm pretty sure the front office guys too. You saw Mitch's happy face in the lottery. As I've said, I agree to deal the pick with the names on the other thread that I have posted. I'm happy with either Simmons or Ingram. Both are going to make big impacts but I prefer Ingram since he's a better fit for the Lakers right now.

Post #360 » by **dockingsched** » Mon May 23, 2016 7:30 pm

Hate when people say a certain trade is a no brainer like someone just called #2 for Okafor. If it's such a no brained then why would the other team do it, which means why is there any discussions about it.

As far as the mentioned Okafor/1 for Randle/2 idea, obviously the lakers would have to add more if that was an actual trade being discussed, not the sixers. How is that even arguable?

Who will the Lakers pick?