Official 2015 NBA Draft Discussion Thread [ft. TyCobb]

ratedrdb · Post #361 » by **ratedrdb** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 1:07 pm

we will get cauley-stein..... he is the next Tyson chandler... that's what kobe needs a shot blocking big that's long n tall... trust me
pg--dragic===clarckson
sg--kobe===ellington
sf--Justin Anderson{ hoston 1st from viginia} ====young
pf--randle====davis
c--cauly-stein====black

yitur · Post #362 » by **yitur** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 2:48 pm

ratedrdb wrote:we will get cauley-stein..... he is the next Tyson chandler... that's what kobe needs a shot blocking big that's long n tall... trust me
pg--dragic===clarckson
sg--kobe===ellington
sf--Justin Anderson{ hoston 1st from viginia} ====young
pf--randle====davis
c--cauly-stein====black

As a Kobe fan, what Kobe needs is irrelevant now. He will be retiring next year and this team also needs to think about the life after Kobe. Karl Anthony Towns Jr. is the way to go when our pick is on and he is still on board. I hope Justin Anderson will be around when Hou pick is on that would be pretty great draft day for me.

Towns
Randle
Anderson
Kobe
Dragic would be my dream starting 5 next year.

Michael Lucky · Post #363 » by **Michael Lucky** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 5:07 pm

LApwnd wrote:
Michael Lucky wrote:
LApwnd wrote:was thinking right now bout Russells #'s, again I'm not college guy never watch much of any but is he similar to Evan Turner? Turner put up #'s across the boards to at OSU but his game didn't seem to translate to the pros well, probably due to his avg shooting and athleticism. Now I know Russell probably is better shooter but his weakness seems to be lack of elite speed or athleticism. Kinda need one or the other to be an elite lvl type guard in this league.

Turner can't shoot. Russell is an elite shooter. Completely different. Also how in the world can you compare a freshmen that averaged 8.6 points 4.4 rebounds 2.6 assists to one averaging 19/5/6 with a 43% FG from 3.

i only remember Turner #'s when he got drafted they were good across the boards but I see your point with the freshman comparison but still a combo guard without elite speed or athleticism could have problems in the league.

As much trouble as Curry, Harden, CP3, and Manu I suppose. Not to mention D'Angelo has elite court vision to go with his shooting. I'd hardly worry about the athleticism. You don't need to have great athleticism to be a special player as we've seen over and over again.

ALL HAIL · Post #364 » by **ALL HAIL** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 5:10 pm

TyCobb wrote:Just curious, why can Parsons get away as a SF but Looney can't?

Frankly, I can't answer that question because I haven't seen him enough, but he "looks" like a PF to me, like if you built the "perfect" team around him, it'd be a quick, athletic team with him at PF, a big, beefy center in the middle, and an unselfish, pass-first PG (unlike Alford).

Parsons WOULD play a lot more PF if he could rebound and defend big men like Looney. Matter of fact, Houston would've loved to have given Parsons the majority of minutes there next to Howard. Parsons HAD to be a SF. Looney doesn't. He has the skillset to play there. To your point, he does show the skillset to play minutes at SF as well, but, like I said, at this point, it would seem quite "forced" to play him as a SF right now.

Michael Lucky · Post #365 » by **Michael Lucky** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 5:21 pm

Not to mention it's not a great idea to play a young player out of position. It can really mess with their development.

ALL HAIL · Post #366 » by **ALL HAIL** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 5:46 pm

yitur wrote:
ratedrdb wrote:we will get cauley-stein..... he is the next Tyson chandler... that's what kobe needs a shot blocking big that's long n tall... trust me
pg--dragic===clarckson
sg--kobe===ellington
sf--Justin Anderson{ hoston 1st from viginia} ====young
pf--randle====davis
c--cauly-stein====black

As a Kobe fan, what Kobe needs is irrelevant now. He will be retiring next year and this team also needs to think about the life after Kobe. Karl Anthony Towns Jr. is the way to go when our pick is on and he is still on board. I hope Justin Anderson will be around when Hou pick is on that would be pretty great draft day for me.

Towns
Randle
Anderson
Kobe
Dragic would be my dream starting 5 next year.

I'd be willing to give up Clarkson in order to move up a few slots to nab Justin Anderson.

Post #367 » by **TyCobb** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:09 pm

DraftExpress dropping Looney down to 13 on their mock draft.

Post #368 » by **TyCobb** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:25 pm

ALL HAIL wrote:
TyCobb wrote:Just curious, why can Parsons get away as a SF but Looney can't?

Frankly, I can't answer that question because I haven't seen him enough, but he "looks" like a PF to me, like if you built the "perfect" team around him, it'd be a quick, athletic team with him at PF, a big, beefy center in the middle, and an unselfish, pass-first PG (unlike Alford).

Parsons WOULD play a lot more PF if he could rebound and defend big men like Looney. Matter of fact, Houston would've loved to have given Parsons the majority of minutes there next to Howard. Parsons HAD to be a SF. Looney doesn't. He has the skillset to play there. To your point, he does show the skillset to play minutes at SF as well, but, like I said, at this point, it would seem quite "forced" to play him as a SF right now.

Still don't see how you come to that conclusion. He's fouled out of 5 or 6 games now as a PF. It's easier for him to guard 3's because he lacks strength and weight, but also because he has the length and mobility to cover them.

He's playing out of position right now as a PF...

Post #369 » by **TyCobb** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:36 pm

ROballer wrote:Which of the 3 you wouldn't pick before Looney , Ty?

And by "the 3" I mean Russell/Okafor/Towns

I won't even entertain the idea of Looney being drafted in front of these 3 ,sorry....yeah,maybe he can play SF in the NBA,or maybe he can't...I don't even want to think of this as our problem to have ,since there were a great number of tweeners who were busts or didn't live up to their hype and draft position

And besides,others have said it as well...can't see a lineup with Randle/Looney in it ,just can't...there's no meshing there

I'd pick Looney ahead of Russell with Okafor and Towns 1 and 2. Looney is versatile on both sides of the ball. I'd also rather have Looney as my hybrid forward over Randle.

ALL HAIL · Post #370 » by **ALL HAIL** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:48 pm

TyCobb wrote:
ALL HAIL wrote:
TyCobb wrote:Just curious, why can Parsons get away as a SF but Looney can't?

Frankly, I can't answer that question because I haven't seen him enough, but he "looks" like a PF to me, like if you built the "perfect" team around him, it'd be a quick, athletic team with him at PF, a big, beefy center in the middle, and an unselfish, pass-first PG (unlike Alford).

Parsons WOULD play a lot more PF if he could rebound and defend big men like Looney. Matter of fact, Houston would've loved to have given Parsons the majority of minutes there next to Howard. Parsons HAD to be a SF. Looney doesn't. He has the skillset to play there. To your point, he does show the skillset to play minutes at SF as well, but, like I said, at this point, it would seem quite "forced" to play him as a SF right now.

Still don't see how you come to that conclusion. He's fouled out of 5 or 6 games now as a PF. It's easier for him to guard 3's because he lacks strength and weight, but also because he has the length and mobility to cover them.

He's playing out of position right now as a PF...

I'll have to concede then. I've only seen a handful of games and admitedly I didn't study him while watching. I trust your more well informed opinion over my more ignorant one.

I will say though, that from what I've seen, I don't see a guy that will be a good fit next to Randle, and you kniw I like to drart for need (with few exceptions).

ALL HAIL · Post #371 » by **ALL HAIL** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:59 pm

TyCobb wrote:I'd pick Looney ahead of Russell with Okafor and Towns 1 and 2. Looney is versatile on both sides of the ball. I'd also rather have Looney as my hybrid forward over Randle.

Wow! So if the Lakers picked three, you'd draft Looney and do what with Randle? You really think Looney is better than Randle? Am I reaching here? I think that's what you're saying, right?

ROballer · Post #372 » by **ROballer** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:02 pm

BS....glad you're not our GM Ty :lol:

There's not one GM who would take Looney over Russell and for good reason .....

Post #373 » by **TyCobb** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:03 pm

ALL HAIL wrote:
TyCobb wrote:I'd pick Looney ahead of Russell with Okafor and Towns 1 and 2. Looney is versatile on both sides of the ball. I'd also rather have Looney as my hybrid forward over Randle.

Wow! So if the Lakers picked three, you'd draft Looney and do what with Randle? You really think Looney is better than Randle? Am I reaching here? I think that's what you're saying, right?

Yes, I would and yes I do.

Post #374 » by **TyCobb** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:06 pm

ROballer wrote:BS....glad you're not our GM Ty

There's not one GM who would take Looney over Russell and for good reason .....

Because it's a copycat league. Right now a ball dominant scoring guard is all the rage. I'll take the guy who can be productive playing with all different types of players.

ALL HAIL · Post #375 » by **ALL HAIL** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:08 pm

TyCobb wrote:
ALL HAIL wrote:
TyCobb wrote:I'd pick Looney ahead of Russell with Okafor and Towns 1 and 2. Looney is versatile on both sides of the ball. I'd also rather have Looney as my hybrid forward over Randle.

Wow! So if the Lakers picked three, you'd draft Looney and do what with Randle? You really think Looney is better than Randle? Am I reaching here? I think that's what you're saying, right?[/quote

Yes, I would and yes I do.

So you'd trade Randle?

jay51024 · Post #376 » by **jay51024** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:08 pm

Looney, who although has great size and plays hard on both ends, still seems like a bit of project to me. Definitely would not take him over Russell or Okafor.

Post #377 » by **TyCobb** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:11 pm

ALL HAIL wrote:
TyCobb wrote:
ALL HAIL wrote:Wow! So if the Lakers picked three, you'd draft Looney and do what with Randle? You really think Looney is better than Randle? Am I reaching here? I think that's what you're saying, right?[/quote

Yes, I would and yes I do.

So you'd trade Randle?

I wouldn't say he's untouchable. I also wouldn't look to move him. This team needs talent and a deep rotation, so unless it's multiple young talented prospects/picks for Randle then I'll hold onto him and continue to fill out the rest of the rotation.

ALL HAIL · Post #378 » by **ALL HAIL** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:18 pm

TyCobb wrote:
ROballer wrote:BS....glad you're not our GM Ty

There's not one GM who would take Looney over Russell and for good reason .....

Because it's a copycat league. Right now a ball dominant scoring guard is all the rage. I'll take the guy who can be productive playing with all different types of players.

I feel you here Ty. I can't stand the "the world disagrees with you" arguments.

There's not a GM who woukd've taken Jordan over Olajuwon or Bowie either, doesn't make it right.
There wasn't one reporter to question some of the government tactics and cover-ups after 911, that ain't right either.

Absolutely noone that had a top 5 or so pick wanted Klay Thompson either ... enter Jerry West.

I disagree with some of your points Ty, but I could give damn what others are thinking.

I love bold thinking and think it's fresh that you're in love with this dude.

Michael Lucky · Post #379 » by **Michael Lucky** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:19 pm

The only way i see Looney ending up being a better player than Randle is if the latter is chronically injured.

ALL HAIL · Post #380 » by **ALL HAIL** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:21 pm

TyCobb wrote:
ALL HAIL wrote:
TyCobb wrote:

So you'd trade Randle?

I wouldn't say he's untouchable. I also wouldn't look to move him. This team needs talent and a deep rotation, so unless it's multiple young talented prospects/picks for Randle then I'll hold onto him and continue to fill out the rest of the rotation.

And if you find out that Looney is best at PF ... ?

You play the two best prospects at the same position and hope for the best?

Not my style at all dude. I like the pieces to fit, unless we're talking about transcendental players.

Who will win the national championship?