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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#361 » by Landsberger » Sun Aug 11, 2024 3:27 pm

Godfather13 wrote:
Landsberger wrote:
tamaraw08 wrote:most here don’t want this team to lose, it’s their extreme hatred for Lebron that is overpowering their objectivity. Most of them disappeared and probably went on depression when they won it all in 2020.


You think I hate LeBron? Seriously? I want the Lakers to be truly relevant again. I disagree with the playing the string out stuff the ownership is doing. We have one old all time great and a shaky number 2 guy who flashes top talent between WTF stretches and injuries. Not sure how to play that reality any other way.

Barring a miracle acquisition or 3, this team isn't championship material. Just isn't. The re-signing of LeBron and the ineptitude of the management will put this franchise in a hole for the better part of a decade.

As a fan dating back to the early 70's I can tell you I don't "hate" any player. I don't give sports that sort of attention. LeBron is not a terribly likable person off the floor but neither was Kareem who I view as the most important Laker with Magic ever. I want the jersey to win.... the players in the jersey change. We need them to change before we will be truly relevant again. I think everyone here knows that. This team is no better than the last 3 years. It's a .500ish team with a couple of players who dominate the team who have age and injury issues.

Finally, the drafting of Bron's kid is fairly telling if you step back from it a bit. It's truly a side show. Watching him in Vegas I'm not seeing him as someone who gets a roster spot based on his talent or performance. He'll get one based on who is dad is. That's not a great vibe for a "team" IMHO. We talk about coaches. I can't think of one of our championship coaches that would do that.

You can try and twist my posts into a silly "you hate LeBron" stuff as much as you want. It's truly a Jr Highschool play. If it makes you feel better then please continue. Having you feel superior is important to you it seems. It's not changing my mind that we should start the rebuild last summer.

Bruh ChatGPT would take seconds to write baseless spam better than these three TLDR BS posts. We get it, you don't like Bron, and don't watch basketball. Stop wasting RealGM's bites, delete your account and go spend some time with the family.

Man just won the MVP on a team with only All NBA talent, but this miserable clown feels important enough to be personally heard about how he's just a 3rd wheel. Third wheel who lead USA in PTS, ASTS, REBS & STLS. AD lead the BLKS and tied Bron & Bam for REBS by the way, so We have the leaders of all 5 major stats, and are still mid.

Tell me again you don't watch basketball without telling me :)


:lol: It's common for children to attack the person in an argument and not the points being made.

Here are some more points to ignore... want me to "bold" them this time?

I've been watching... he has led an NBA team to 3rd, 5th, 4th and 3rd place division finishes. A playoff miss, 2 losses in the first round and a sweep in the conference finals are all right there for you to see. Who's ignoring reality now? I couldn't recite one of his stats over that time period but I remember the records and horrible play on the court by a team.

If stats make you hard... where are his MVP's in those years? See what happens when he's playing against NBA talent instead of against non NBA talent in essentially an exhibition? A playoff miss, 2 first round losses and a sweep. That's what I see.

Show everyone again your love of LeBron's stats while ignoring the team he plays for. Oh... yeah.. that's the coaches fault... or the other players fault. All him when his team wins an exhibition against non NBA talent for the most part, but I'm sure it's not him when his team loses in your world.

You showed up here with LeBron and you'll disappear when he does. I'm a Laker fan, I'll be here when the team rebuilds. You'll be front running somewhere else. The only stat I'm interested in is wins and championships for the Lakers...
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#362 » by Godfather13 » Sun Aug 11, 2024 4:00 pm

Let's all shut up and listen to RealGM User#873645871092, instead of the basketball professionals that vote for IST & Olympics Basketball MVPs, All NBA, All Star and all players of Team USA, because 25-8-7 player at an efficiency that is still in his 22nd year better than any other Laker all time is just washed.

The petty insular mindset that keeps you this out of touch with reality to keep harping on the same boring agenda is indeed special. I pray that you find someone someday that reads your word salads and agrees with you.

Landsberger wrote:
:lol: It's common for children to attack the person in an argument and not the points being made.

Here are some more points to ignore... want me to "bold" them this time?

I've been watching... he has led an NBA team to 3rd, 5th, 4th and 3rd place division finishes. A playoff miss, 2 losses in the first round and a sweep in the conference finals are all right there for you to see. Who's ignoring reality now? I couldn't recite one of his stats over that time period but I remember the records and horrible play on the court by a team.

If stats make you hard... where are his MVP's in those years? See what happens when he's playing against NBA talent instead of against non NBA talent in essentially an exhibition? A playoff miss, 2 first round losses and a sweep. That's what I see.

Show everyone again your love of LeBron's stats while ignoring the team he plays for. Oh... yeah.. that's the coaches fault... or the other players fault. All him when his team wins an exhibition against non NBA talent for the most part, but I'm sure it's not him when his team loses in your world.

You showed up here with LeBron and you'll disappear when he does. I'm a Laker fan, I'll be here when the team rebuilds. You'll be front running somewhere else. The only stat I'm interested in is wins and championships for the Lakers...
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#363 » by TyCobb » Sun Aug 11, 2024 4:07 pm

Great points Landsberger.

I agree with you.
Read more, learn more, change your posts.
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#364 » by danfantastk32 » Sun Aug 11, 2024 4:59 pm

TyCobb wrote:Great points Landsberger.

I agree with you.


Look at that....answered prayers. Beautiful
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#365 » by danfantastk32 » Sun Aug 11, 2024 5:13 pm

Godfather13 wrote:Let's all shut up and listen to RealGM User#873645871092, instead of the basketball professionals that vote for IST & Olympics Basketball MVPs, All NBA, All Star and all players of Team USA, because 25-8-7 player at an efficiency that is still in his 22nd year better than any other Laker all time is just washed.


Back to the Olympics, the in-season-tournament.....and really anything but how the Lakers are doing. I mean.....it almost makes you think I'm asking for them to break up the Olympic team. Maybe I just haven't been clear, so I'll reiterate that it's the LAKERS I'm interested in fixing. Team video-game is doing just fine IMO.....although (side note here) they prob wont have Lebron, AD, Steph, Embiid, maybe a couple others in 4 years. Wonder who our next group will be.
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#366 » by Landsberger » Sun Aug 11, 2024 5:21 pm

TyCobb wrote:Great points Landsberger.

I agree with you.


Devine intervention for the win! :lol:
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#367 » by Landsberger » Sun Aug 11, 2024 5:24 pm

Godfather13 wrote:Let's all shut up and listen to RealGM User#873645871092, instead of the basketball professionals that vote for IST & Olympics Basketball MVPs, All NBA, All Star and all players of Team USA, because 25-8-7 player at an efficiency that is still in his 22nd year better than any other Laker all time is just washed.

The petty insular mindset that keeps you this out of touch with reality to keep harping on the same boring agenda is indeed special. I pray that you find someone someday that reads your word salads and agrees with you.

Landsberger wrote:
:lol: It's common for children to attack the person in an argument and not the points being made.

Here are some more points to ignore... want me to "bold" them this time?

I've been watching... he has led an NBA team to 3rd, 5th, 4th and 3rd place division finishes. A playoff miss, 2 losses in the first round and a sweep in the conference finals are all right there for you to see. Who's ignoring reality now? I couldn't recite one of his stats over that time period but I remember the records and horrible play on the court by a team.

If stats make you hard... where are his MVP's in those years? See what happens when he's playing against NBA talent instead of against non NBA talent in essentially an exhibition? A playoff miss, 2 first round losses and a sweep. That's what I see.

Show everyone again your love of LeBron's stats while ignoring the team he plays for. Oh... yeah.. that's the coaches fault... or the other players fault. All him when his team wins an exhibition against non NBA talent for the most part, but I'm sure it's not him when his team loses in your world.

You showed up here with LeBron and you'll disappear when he does. I'm a Laker fan, I'll be here when the team rebuilds. You'll be front running somewhere else. The only stat I'm interested in is wins and championships for the Lakers...


Thanks kiddo... you just solidified my point. Maybe those of us in this forum who are Lakers first can cobble together some participation ribbons for LeBron so he feels appreciated more. We prefer banners but I'm sure it would make you feel better if we recognized his level of success in leading this team to NBA success. I say we start with white and work our way toward blue....
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#368 » by Landsberger » Sun Aug 11, 2024 5:28 pm

danfantastk32 wrote:
Godfather13 wrote:Let's all shut up and listen to RealGM User#873645871092, instead of the basketball professionals that vote for IST & Olympics Basketball MVPs, All NBA, All Star and all players of Team USA, because 25-8-7 player at an efficiency that is still in his 22nd year better than any other Laker all time is just washed.


Back to the Olympics, the in-season-tournament.....and really anything but how the Lakers are doing. I mean.....it almost makes you think I'm asking for them to break up the Olympic team. Maybe I just haven't been clear, so I'll reiterate that it's the LAKERS I'm interested in fixing. Team video-game is doing just fine IMO.....although (side note here) they prob wont have Lebron, AD, Steph, Embiid, maybe a couple others in 4 years. Wonder who our next group will be.


Reminds me of the LeBronze days when the men retired from the Olympics...
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#369 » by Anderson Hunt » Mon Aug 12, 2024 12:20 am

In light of LeBron James becoming a souped-up Draymond Green in Paris, playing point guard and defending centers, I want to reiterate what I've been saying before the Olympics -- LeBron James needs to change his game. This team doesn't need him at 25-7-8. They need him at 16-12-12, guarding big men with mass.

I said this weeks before the Olympics:

Anderson Hunt wrote:The idea that Davis needs to be a mostly PF again is the most simplistically overstated trope on this board.

Davis can undoubtedly play "some" PF for some parts of some games, but if he plays PF almost full-time, on offense the Lakers will lack spacing, and on defense they will lack wing protection with a 40-year old forced to guard wings.

Davis is a center in this new league. Porzingis is also a center. Garnett would be a center too.

What Davis needs is for LeBron James to help add a physical presence, to help him guard some beefy guys and help him rebound.

Do they need a center? Yes, but a backup center. They need a center who can provide defense when Davis sits and play with Davis occasionally when they are playing Denver or Philadelphia.

In all other situations, the vast majority of the time, Davis needs to play center and James needs to embrace supporting Davis by rebounding and willingly guarding some beefy big men at various points of the game.

In essence, James is the big man on defense that Davis needs.
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#370 » by zuju » Mon Aug 12, 2024 9:29 am

Anderson Hunt wrote:
Up-And-Coming wrote:In terms of remaining free agents Cedi Osman is the best value left imo, especially if we end up trading one of our wings. Cedi is not a tweener and has quality size at the 3 position standing 6'7 w/ a 6'11 wingspan and 230 pounds. He's in his prime at 29 and already has rapport w/ Lebron when they were in Cleveland. He can do a little bit of everything and doesn't have any huge weaknesses (not a lockdown defender but not a liability either, he's solid) and I think he can be slotted as a 16-20 mpg backup 3 on a winning team today. He's better than Cam Reddish and even arguably better all-around than Taurean Prince was.

Even though he technically just retired, I'd rather have Gordon Hayward than Osman. I think he can be coaxed to come back.

After trading Russell, Hachimura, Vanderbilt, Vincent, and Hayes for LaVine, Williams III, and Torrey Craig, it opens up two roster spots to bring in Hayward and give him a starting spot:

PG - James
SG - Christie
C --- Davis
PF - Hayward
SF - LaVine
(Reaves, Knecht, and Williams III off the bench with Reddish, Schifino, and Craig fighting for 9th man minutes)

I think Hayward comes out of retirement if promised a starting spot with James, LaVine, and Davis.

Essentially ...
Russell for LaVine
Hachimura for Hayward
Vanderbilt for Williams III 
Vincent for Craig 
Hayes for Biyombo (min signing)


I don't get the love to Robert Williams III. I'd rather keep Vando who is still improving.
On the other hand, I would love to have Johnathan Issac on this team too.
I myself is very contradictory :lol:

I don't mind a Lavine trade given that the Bulls give us 1 unprotected FRP and SRPs along with Torey Craig. I am quite hesitant to trade Rui if we are not getting a clear fit /upgrade from the trade to the team future.

I would love to have Hayward to lead the second unit. If Dlo, Vincent and Reddish are all gone. I would want Hayward, Fultz/Dennis Smith Jr and a real center like moses brown to fill the second unit.

PG: Reaves / Fultz / Bronny
SG: Lavine / Christie /JHS
SF: Vando / Hayward/ Knecht
PF: LBJ / Craig / Wood / Lewis
C: AD / Moses Brown

I think its very realistic and doable. But I don't know if it is really better than our team roster now. Again I will target Johnathan Issac way before Lavine. If you see acquiring a future FRP or 2 is very valuable, I understand it though. What a pitty DVD was gone and signed with the Mavs

After all. I still stand on the side of keeping patience until next December or January when Dlo's expiring contract becomes more valuable and appealing to teams. I am sure Lavine will still be available by that time and we can put the trigger to acquire him with most assets back. We will have time to reevaluate the team and players under JJ reddick

PG: Dlo / Gabe / Bronny
SG: Reaves / Knecht / JHS
SF: Vando / Christie / Lewis
PF: LBJ / Rui / Reddish
C: AD / Hayes/ Wood
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#371 » by Anderson Hunt » Mon Aug 12, 2024 9:55 am

zuju wrote:
Anderson Hunt wrote:
Up-And-Coming wrote:In terms of remaining free agents Cedi Osman is the best value left imo, especially if we end up trading one of our wings. Cedi is not a tweener and has quality size at the 3 position standing 6'7 w/ a 6'11 wingspan and 230 pounds. He's in his prime at 29 and already has rapport w/ Lebron when they were in Cleveland. He can do a little bit of everything and doesn't have any huge weaknesses (not a lockdown defender but not a liability either, he's solid) and I think he can be slotted as a 16-20 mpg backup 3 on a winning team today. He's better than Cam Reddish and even arguably better all-around than Taurean Prince was.

Even though he technically just retired, I'd rather have Gordon Hayward than Osman. I think he can be coaxed to come back.

After trading Russell, Hachimura, Vanderbilt, Vincent, and Hayes for LaVine, Williams III, and Torrey Craig, it opens up two roster spots to bring in Hayward and give him a starting spot:

PG - James
SG - Christie
C --- Davis
PF - Hayward
SF - LaVine
(Reaves, Knecht, and Williams III off the bench with Reddish, Schifino, and Craig fighting for 9th man minutes)

I think Hayward comes out of retirement if promised a starting spot with James, LaVine, and Davis.

Essentially ...
Russell for LaVine
Hachimura for Hayward
Vanderbilt for Williams III 
Vincent for Craig 
Hayes for Biyombo (min signing)


I don't get the love to Robert Williams III. I'd rather keep Vando who is still improving.
On the other hand, I would love to have Johnathan Issac on this team too.
I myself is very contradictory :lol:

I don't mind a Lavine trade given that the Bulls give us 1 unprotected FRP and SRPs along with Torey Craig. I am quite hesitant to trade Rui if we are not getting a clear fit /upgrade from the trade to the team future.

I would love to have Hayward to lead the second unit. If Dlo, Vincent and Reddish are all gone. I would want Hayward, Fultz/Dennis Smith Jr and a real center like moses brown to fill the second unit.

PG: Reaves / Fultz / Bronny
SG: Lavine / Christie /JHS
SF: Vando / Hayward/ Knecht
PF: LBJ / Craig / Wood / Lewis
C: AD / Moses Brown

I think its very realistic and doable. But I don't know if it is really better than our team roster now. Again I will target Johnathan Issac way before Lavine. If you see acquiring a future FRP or 2 is very valuable, I understand it though. What a pitty DVD was gone and signed with the Mavs

After all. I still stand on the side of keeping patience until next December or January when Dlo's expiring contract becomes more valuable and appealing to teams. I am sure Lavine will still be available by that time and we can put the trigger to acquire him with most assets back. We will have time to reevaluate the team and players under JJ reddick

PG: Dlo / Gabe / Bronny
SG: Reaves / Knecht / JHS
SF: Vando / Christie / Lewis
PF: LBJ / Rui / Reddish
C: AD / Hayes/ Wood

You should really rethink your proposals unless you can explain to me how Vanderbilt and Davis can play together for long stretches, as they both aren't floor stretchers. If you factor in Fultz's difficulties from deep, it gets even worse. Your proposed lineup lacks shooting, and therefore it's problematic.

Robert Williams III is more valuable to this team than Vanderbilt because Williams III can play center and anchor a defense as Davis' backup whereas Vanderbilt's fit at backup center is more wonky.

Vanderbilt, essentially, must be slotted as Davis' backup center in order to fix the spacing issues created by playing them together.

If the team makes no moves between now and February, my rotation looks like this, as is:

PG - Russell - Reaves - Schifino
SG - Christie - Vincent - James
C --- Davis - Vanderbilt - Hayes
PF - James - Wood - Reddish
SF - Hachimura - Knecht - Lewis

For me, James guards more centers this year because Vanderbilt becomes Davis' backup.
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#372 » by tamaraw08 » Mon Aug 12, 2024 9:56 pm

Landsberger wrote:
tamaraw08 wrote:most here don’t want this team to lose, it’s their extreme hatred for Lebron that is overpowering their objectivity. Most of them disappeared and probably went on depression when they won it all in 2020.


You think I hate LeBron? Seriously? I want the Lakers to be truly relevant again. I disagree with the playing the string out stuff the ownership is doing. We have one old all time great and a shaky number 2 guy who flashes top talent between WTF stretches and injuries. Not sure how to play that reality any other way.

Barring a miracle acquisition or 3, this team isn't championship material. Just isn't. The re-signing of LeBron and the ineptitude of the management will put this franchise in a hole for the better part of a decade.

As a fan dating back to the early 70's I can tell you I don't "hate" any player. I don't give sports that sort of attention. LeBron is not a terribly likable person off the floor but neither was Kareem who I view as the most important Laker with Magic ever. I want the jersey to win.... the players in the jersey change. We need them to change before we will be truly relevant again. I think everyone here knows that. This team is no better than the last 3 years. It's a .500ish team with a couple of players who dominate the team who have age and injury issues.

Finally, the drafting of Bron's kid is fairly telling if you step back from it a bit. It's truly a side show. Watching him in Vegas I'm not seeing him as someone who gets a roster spot based on his talent or performance. He'll get one based on who is dad is. That's not a great vibe for a "team" IMHO. We talk about coaches. I can't think of one of our championship coaches that would do that.

You can try and twist my posts into a silly "you hate LeBron" stuff as much as you want
. It's truly a Jr Highschool play. If it makes you feel better then please continue. Having you feel superior is important to you it seems. It's not changing my mind that we should start the rebuild last summer.


Do me a favor and find any messages that you posted that were actually any positive takes about Lebron and compare them to all the negative ones you wrote that past 3 years or so.
Lakers won it all in 2020, can't find any comments from you during that time.
And almost every time the team struggles and I see you come out of nowhere with guns blazing.
Lebron agrees not to get the max so they can stay below the 2nd apron and you still question and doubt his intention etc.
Below is the last comment you made...maybe I fail to see that you meant sarcasm or what.
I actually kind of like Valanciunas and Kuzma... I'd hate to see them added to this team to sit and watch the Bron Show for another 3 years. Kuzma's rounded into a pretty nice player after he got out of here.
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#373 » by Godfather13 » Tue Aug 13, 2024 1:23 am

tamaraw08 wrote:
Landsberger wrote:
tamaraw08 wrote:most here don’t want this team to lose, it’s their extreme hatred for Lebron that is overpowering their objectivity. Most of them disappeared and probably went on depression when they won it all in 2020.


You think I hate LeBron? Seriously? I want the Lakers to be truly relevant again. I disagree with the playing the string out stuff the ownership is doing. We have one old all time great and a shaky number 2 guy who flashes top talent between WTF stretches and injuries. Not sure how to play that reality any other way.

Barring a miracle acquisition or 3, this team isn't championship material. Just isn't. The re-signing of LeBron and the ineptitude of the management will put this franchise in a hole for the better part of a decade.

As a fan dating back to the early 70's I can tell you I don't "hate" any player. I don't give sports that sort of attention. LeBron is not a terribly likable person off the floor but neither was Kareem who I view as the most important Laker with Magic ever. I want the jersey to win.... the players in the jersey change. We need them to change before we will be truly relevant again. I think everyone here knows that. This team is no better than the last 3 years. It's a .500ish team with a couple of players who dominate the team who have age and injury issues.

Finally, the drafting of Bron's kid is fairly telling if you step back from it a bit. It's truly a side show. Watching him in Vegas I'm not seeing him as someone who gets a roster spot based on his talent or performance. He'll get one based on who is dad is. That's not a great vibe for a "team" IMHO. We talk about coaches. I can't think of one of our championship coaches that would do that.

You can try and twist my posts into a silly "you hate LeBron" stuff as much as you want
. It's truly a Jr Highschool play. If it makes you feel better then please continue. Having you feel superior is important to you it seems. It's not changing my mind that we should start the rebuild last summer.


Do me a favor and find any messages that you posted that were actually any positive takes about Lebron and compare them to all the negative ones you wrote that past 3 years or so.
Lakers won it all in 2020, can't find any comments from you during that time.
And almost every time the team struggles and I see you come out of nowhere with guns blazing.
Lebron agrees not to get the max so they can stay below the 2nd apron and you still question and doubt his intention etc.
Below is the last comment you made...maybe I fail to see that you meant sarcasm or what.
I actually kind of like Valanciunas and Kuzma... I'd hate to see them added to this team to sit and watch the Bron Show for another 3 years. Kuzma's rounded into a pretty nice player after he got out of here.

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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#374 » by Godfather13 » Tue Aug 13, 2024 1:27 am

Landsberger wrote:
Thanks kiddo... you just solidified my point. Maybe those of us in this forum who are Lakers first can cobble together some participation ribbons for LeBron so he feels appreciated more. We prefer banners but I'm sure it would make you feel better if we recognized his level of success in leading this team to NBA success. I say we start with white and work our way toward blue....

Remind me Unc.. How many banners have we raised since Dr Buss again, and how was the team doing pre Lebron? On track for multiple "banners" with the worst record in the league over 5 years.

Yeah.. Baseless spam
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#375 » by Godfather13 » Tue Aug 13, 2024 1:31 am

Landsberger wrote:
danfantastk32 wrote:
Godfather13 wrote:Let's all shut up and listen to RealGM User#873645871092, instead of the basketball professionals that vote for IST & Olympics Basketball MVPs, All NBA, All Star and all players of Team USA, because 25-8-7 player at an efficiency that is still in his 22nd year better than any other Laker all time is just washed.


Back to the Olympics, the in-season-tournament.....and really anything but how the Lakers are doing. I mean.....it almost makes you think I'm asking for them to break up the Olympic team. Maybe I just haven't been clear, so I'll reiterate that it's the LAKERS I'm interested in fixing. Team video-game is doing just fine IMO.....although (side note here) they prob wont have Lebron, AD, Steph, Embiid, maybe a couple others in 4 years. Wonder who our next group will be.


Reminds me of the LeBronze days when the men retired from the Olympics...

"I don't hate Lebron"

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Kobe embraced Lebron like a brother, my guy here still in his feelings 14 years after the rivalry that never happened. Comedically miserable existence over a sport that's meant for entertainment only.
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#376 » by Landsberger » Tue Aug 13, 2024 4:25 am

tamaraw08 wrote:
Landsberger wrote:
tamaraw08 wrote:most here don’t want this team to lose, it’s their extreme hatred for Lebron that is overpowering their objectivity. Most of them disappeared and probably went on depression when they won it all in 2020.


You think I hate LeBron? Seriously? I want the Lakers to be truly relevant again. I disagree with the playing the string out stuff the ownership is doing. We have one old all time great and a shaky number 2 guy who flashes top talent between WTF stretches and injuries. Not sure how to play that reality any other way.

Barring a miracle acquisition or 3, this team isn't championship material. Just isn't. The re-signing of LeBron and the ineptitude of the management will put this franchise in a hole for the better part of a decade.

As a fan dating back to the early 70's I can tell you I don't "hate" any player. I don't give sports that sort of attention. LeBron is not a terribly likable person off the floor but neither was Kareem who I view as the most important Laker with Magic ever. I want the jersey to win.... the players in the jersey change. We need them to change before we will be truly relevant again. I think everyone here knows that. This team is no better than the last 3 years. It's a .500ish team with a couple of players who dominate the team who have age and injury issues.

Finally, the drafting of Bron's kid is fairly telling if you step back from it a bit. It's truly a side show. Watching him in Vegas I'm not seeing him as someone who gets a roster spot based on his talent or performance. He'll get one based on who is dad is. That's not a great vibe for a "team" IMHO. We talk about coaches. I can't think of one of our championship coaches that would do that.

You can try and twist my posts into a silly "you hate LeBron" stuff as much as you want
. It's truly a Jr Highschool play. If it makes you feel better then please continue. Having you feel superior is important to you it seems. It's not changing my mind that we should start the rebuild last summer.


Do me a favor and find any messages that you posted that were actually any positive takes about Lebron and compare them to all the negative ones you wrote that past 3 years or so.
Lakers won it all in 2020, can't find any comments from you during that time.
And almost every time the team struggles and I see you come out of nowhere with guns blazing.
Lebron agrees not to get the max so they can stay below the 2nd apron and you still question and doubt his intention etc.
Below is the last comment you made...maybe I fail to see that you meant sarcasm or what.
I actually kind of like Valanciunas and Kuzma... I'd hate to see them added to this team to sit and watch the Bron Show for another 3 years. Kuzma's rounded into a pretty nice player after he got out of here.


You misconstrue my thoughts on the future of the Lakers with hate for LeBron. I'm not a fan of this version of the Lakers. Sorry, but I like to think that we could progress toward a title in the next 3 years. Do you really thing a duo that's barely been over .500 the last 4 years can do that?

Stop the childish "he hates" so in so. I'm in it for the Lakers chances going forward. I can go back 3-4 years and find posts were I correctly noted that I didn't think the Lakers with the Davis/Bron duo was enough to win given the circumstances of the cap and the FA markets that were upcoming. I actually think I was pretty right in that.

I don't "hate" anyone I don't know... let's be adults about this. It's a childish endeavor to believe that someone "hates" someone else because of a game. Have I been positive on the Laker's chances the last few years? Nope. Were my thoughts wrong? Nope.

Forums are for discussions, disagreements and debates. In that context why would any player be above debate? Individually LaBron is putting up amazing stats. Team wise his leadership of the Lakers isn't resulting in what we've become accustom to.... winning. Not sure how that's not a factual statement. We've swapped out the parts down stream of he and Davis a couple of times over the last 5 years... we've swapped out coaches as well. Nothing has changed in the results category. Our cap position ensures we further mortgage the future to reload and try again. I have wanted a different strategy. Unload and rebuild. If that's "hate" to you then that's your problem.... not mine.

Finally, if you're going back to find some hate.... see if you can find where I noted that I didn't think keeping Davis and Bron would result in us being true contenders 3 years ago. If you can't find it, I'll go get it for you. After all... we want to make sure everyone here sees ALL THE HATE.
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#377 » by Landsberger » Tue Aug 13, 2024 4:30 am

Godfather13 wrote:
Landsberger wrote:
danfantastk32 wrote:
Back to the Olympics, the in-season-tournament.....and really anything but how the Lakers are doing. I mean.....it almost makes you think I'm asking for them to break up the Olympic team. Maybe I just haven't been clear, so I'll reiterate that it's the LAKERS I'm interested in fixing. Team video-game is doing just fine IMO.....although (side note here) they prob wont have Lebron, AD, Steph, Embiid, maybe a couple others in 4 years. Wonder who our next group will be.


Reminds me of the LeBronze days when the men retired from the Olympics...

"I don't hate Lebron"

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Kobe embraced Lebron like a brother, my guy here still in his feelings 14 years after the rivalry that never happened. Comedically miserable existence over a sport that's meant for entertainment only.


I didn't give him that nickname. Fans in this forum used that nickname for him for a decade before he got here. Most disappointing Olympic performance we've ever had. Not all on him at all but he was the face of it so he took the fury of the internets.
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#378 » by Landsberger » Tue Aug 13, 2024 4:40 am

Godfather13 wrote:
Landsberger wrote:
Thanks kiddo... you just solidified my point. Maybe those of us in this forum who are Lakers first can cobble together some participation ribbons for LeBron so he feels appreciated more. We prefer banners but I'm sure it would make you feel better if we recognized his level of success in leading this team to NBA success. I say we start with white and work our way toward blue....

Remind me Unc.. How many banners have we raised since Dr Buss again, and how was the team doing pre Lebron? On track for multiple "banners" with the worst record in the league over 5 years.

Yeah.. Baseless spam


Why not quote the entire post? ... you know (or maybe you don't) that comment was about trading Shaq... how many did we get after that? 2 more is the answer. The Buss family "gave us" the Howard/Nash fiasco in their first swing for the fences effort.

We cashed in our chips and brought Bron in. We got an * championship but have been a few games over .500 since. Do you think that's magically going to get better with a few scraps we've cobbled together? We get to watch LeBron fade away for 3 more years. I'd rather start the rebuild now.
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#379 » by tamaraw08 » Wed Aug 14, 2024 6:04 pm

Landsberger wrote:
tamaraw08 wrote:
Landsberger wrote:
You think I hate LeBron? Seriously? I want the Lakers to be truly relevant again. I disagree with the playing the string out stuff the ownership is doing. We have one old all time great and a shaky number 2 guy who flashes top talent between WTF stretches and injuries. Not sure how to play that reality any other way.

Barring a miracle acquisition or 3, this team isn't championship material. Just isn't. The re-signing of LeBron and the ineptitude of the management will put this franchise in a hole for the better part of a decade.

As a fan dating back to the early 70's I can tell you I don't "hate" any player. I don't give sports that sort of attention. LeBron is not a terribly likable person off the floor but neither was Kareem who I view as the most important Laker with Magic ever. I want the jersey to win.... the players in the jersey change. We need them to change before we will be truly relevant again. I think everyone here knows that. This team is no better than the last 3 years. It's a .500ish team with a couple of players who dominate the team who have age and injury issues.

Finally, the drafting of Bron's kid is fairly telling if you step back from it a bit. It's truly a side show. Watching him in Vegas I'm not seeing him as someone who gets a roster spot based on his talent or performance. He'll get one based on who is dad is. That's not a great vibe for a "team" IMHO. We talk about coaches. I can't think of one of our championship coaches that would do that.

You can try and twist my posts into a silly "you hate LeBron" stuff as much as you want
. It's truly a Jr Highschool play. If it makes you feel better then please continue. Having you feel superior is important to you it seems. It's not changing my mind that we should start the rebuild last summer.


Do me a favor and find any messages that you posted that were actually any positive takes about Lebron and compare them to all the negative ones you wrote that past 3 years or so.
Lakers won it all in 2020, can't find any comments from you during that time.
And almost every time the team struggles and I see you come out of nowhere with guns blazing.
Lebron agrees not to get the max so they can stay below the 2nd apron and you still question and doubt his intention etc.
Below is the last comment you made...maybe I fail to see that you meant sarcasm or what.
I actually kind of like Valanciunas and Kuzma... I'd hate to see them added to this team to sit and watch the Bron Show for another 3 years. Kuzma's rounded into a pretty nice player after he got out of here.


You misconstrue my thoughts on the future of the Lakers with hate for LeBron. I'm not a fan of this version of the Lakers. Sorry, but I like to think that we could progress toward a title in the next 3 years. Do you really thing a duo that's barely been over .500 the last 4 years can do that?

Stop the childish "he hates" so in so. I'm in it for the Lakers chances going forward. I can go back 3-4 years and find posts were I correctly noted that I didn't think the Lakers with the Davis/Bron duo was enough to win given the circumstances of the cap and the FA markets that were upcoming. I actually think I was pretty right in that.

I don't "hate" anyone I don't know... let's be adults about this. It's a childish endeavor to believe that someone "hates" someone else because of a game. Have I been positive on the Laker's chances the last few years? Nope. Were my thoughts wrong? Nope.

Forums are for discussions, disagreements and debates. In that context why would any player be above debate? Individually LaBron is putting up amazing stats. Team wise his leadership of the Lakers isn't resulting in what we've become accustom to.... winning. Not sure how that's not a factual statement. We've swapped out the parts down stream of he and Davis a couple of times over the last 5 years... we've swapped out coaches as well. Nothing has changed in the results category. Our cap position ensures we further mortgage the future to reload and try again. I have wanted a different strategy. Unload and rebuild. If that's "hate" to you then that's your problem.... not mine.

Finally, if you're going back to find some hate.... see if you can find where I noted that I didn't think keeping Davis and Bron would result in us being true contenders 3 years ago. If you can't find it, I'll go get it for you. After all... we want to make sure everyone here sees ALL THE HATE.


There are a few other posters here who made it clear that they would rather see Lebron and/or AD traded and rebuild now but it is my opinion that most of them don't post as many negative comments on Lebron like you.
You can scream as loud as you can and write as many as 10 paragraphs about how you don't hate Lebron but it is how I perceive your messages the past 3-4 years. I asked you to go back to your old posts and read them, maybe ask your friends to validate your feelings...
Either you got hacked, have an evil twin or possibly my comprehension is that poor.
The irony was I actually hated Lebron, even had the saddest birthdays watching him win it all for Miami and Cavs but it all changed when he came here and did his best to help this team win. I am not saying he is infallible and he doesn't make any fatal mistakes, of course he does
and I understand that this team might be going to hell if they just trade all their draft capital for the wrong player/s.
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#380 » by Kilroy » Wed Aug 14, 2024 7:10 pm

Wait…. We still talkin’ bout team USA stats like they’re relevant to the regular season?!?? I thought we gave that up in the ‘90s
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