UPDATE: MWP suspended 7 games

[cs hauser]

It was nasty, but far from intentionally malicious.

You don't think it was intentional?

You don't think it was malicious?

Seriously? Do you know what the words "INTENTIONAL" and "MALICIOUS" even mean? I'm pretty sure you don't.

[RamonSessions7]

you don't mess around with somebody in the middle of an emotional happy dance. if anybody wants to give Harden the moral higher ground they're wrong. he should have scored on him instead of body him up like that.

I can never tell on the Internet, are you just screwing around, or do you honestly believe that?

I believe it. The more I watch it, the more it's completely clear Harden was bumping/bodying up Artest to try and interfere with his celebration. When your team is taking the ball out, you try and get open, you don't run and throw your body on a defender. He's correct, Harden should've went and scored on him as opposed to going and getting laid out.

[Wavy Q]

A long, long time

[Mamba Venom]

100 games by Stern - basketball reasons

[Gek]

since nobody is gonna say it I will, Harden asked for it!

you don't get on anybody's grill like that during a celebration and expect not get hit. yeah yeah it was brutal and MWP should get five games suspension, but come on! take the tampon out and man up.

Nah, while I don't think it was intentional in the slightest, you just can't have guys knocking people out with elbows. If that was done to one of our players, there isn't a single one of us who wouldn't be livid.

Depends on the player, honestly.

[Sedale Threatt]

I believe it. The more I watch it, the more it's completely clear Harden was bumping/bodying up Artest to try and interfere with his celebration. When your team is taking the ball out, you try and get open, you don't run and throw your body on a defender. He's correct, Harden should've went and scored on him as opposed to going and getting laid out.

So should the league office actually suspend James Harden instead, for instigating the elbow that resulted in a gross injury?

EDIT: No, there's just zero justification for what Ron did. I don't think he did it on purpose, but unfortunately that doesn't matter. The bottom line is, you just can't excuse or tolerate flagrant elbows, no matter what the circumstances.

[Donald Kaufman]

Throw the book at him. He's a punk.

[KB24TBOTB]

since nobody is gonna say it I will, Harden asked for it!

you don't get on anybody's grill like that during a celebration and expect not get hit. yeah yeah it was brutal and MWP should get five games suspension, but come on! take the tampon out and man up.

Nah, while I don't think it was intentional in the slightest, you just can't have guys knocking people out with elbows. If that was done to one of our players, there isn't a single one of us who wouldn't be livid.

you don't mess around with somebody in the middle of an emotional happy dance. if anybody wants to give Harden the moral higher ground they're wrong. he should have scored on him instead of body him up like that.

Wow, you get it! This is exactly how I feel. Harden is a trash talker and had it coming. He came up to Artest after that huge dunk which had him fired up, you just don't do that. Like you said Snaq, you don' run on to the round in front of an incoming car, you just don't

[RamonSessions7]

I believe it. The more I watch it, the more it's completely clear Harden was bumping/bodying up Artest to try and interfere with his celebration. When your team is taking the ball out, you try and get open, you don't run and throw your body on a defender. He's correct, Harden should've went and scored on him as opposed to going and getting laid out.

So should the league office actually suspend James Harden instead, for instigating the elbow that resulted in a gross injury?

I wasn't removing any of the blame from Ron at all. He was completely at fault for the event. But Harden completely put himself in the situation

[KB24TBOTB]

I believe it. The more I watch it, the more it's completely clear Harden was bumping/bodying up Artest to try and interfere with his celebration. When your team is taking the ball out, you try and get open, you don't run and throw your body on a defender. He's correct, Harden should've went and scored on him as opposed to going and getting laid out.

So should the league office actually suspend James Harden instead, for instigating the elbow that resulted in a gross injury?

No, there's just zero justification for what Ron did. I don't think he did it on purpose, but unfortunately that doesn't matter. The bottom line is, you just can't excuse or tolerate flagrant elbows, no matter what the circumstances.

No, Artest should be suspended but some of you here like showing fake sympathy and just go way overboard with it. Harden was being an idiot and asking for it, and he got it. Next time he'll think twice.

[Sedale Threatt]

I wasn't removing any of the blame from Ron at all. He was completely at fault for the event. But Harden completely put himself in the situation

There's just zero justification for what Ron did. I don't think he did it on purpose, but unfortunately that doesn't matter. The bottom line is, you just can't excuse or tolerate flagrant elbows, no matter what the circumstances. If Harden did that to Kobe, we'd all be going ape isht...

[Sedale Threatt]

No, Artest should be suspended but some of you here like showing fake sympathy and just go way overboard with it. Harden was being an idiot and asking for it, and he got it. Next time he'll think twice.

I wouldn't call it fake sympathy as much as trying to take a global view. Like I said, if Harden had done that to Kobe, we'd all be going ape isht...

[RamonSessions7]

Yep, that's why I agree with whatever punishment that's coming. The only thing I was saying is that Harden went out of his way while his team was inbounding to body up Ron for the sole reason of interfering with his celebration, which was, and turned out to be, a stupid thing to do.

[KB24TBOTB]

No, Artest should be suspended but some of you here like showing fake sympathy and just go way overboard with it. Harden was being an idiot and asking for it, and he got it. Next time he'll think twice.

I wouldn't call it fake sympathy as much as trying to take a global view. Like I said, if Harden had done that to Kobe, we'd all be going ape isht...

I guess but I can't feel sorry for a millionaire, it would have been different if he had got hurt but he didn't

[Sedale Threatt]

It's not about feeling sorry for anybody. It's about fairness. I've actually gotten to like Ron quite a bit since we signed him, despite all the stupid isht he still does. I'm 1,000 percent sure he wasn't trying to do what he did. But he did it nonetheless, so the good of the game demands punishment. It's really that simple.

[HornetJail]

You know you can die from getting hit there right? Do any of you have any idea how much force an elbow shot can do to someone? Do you want me to remind you that NAJERA HAD HIS SKULL SHATTERED from an inadvertant elbow shot.

It was an elbow shot, to the back of the head, wound up (MAKING IT INTENTIONAL; it was impulsive, but it was STILL INTENTIONAL, even if he didn't think about it) -- incredibly vicious. And Harden didn't see it coming.

He's definitely concussed -- he had light sensitivity and headaches and didn't come back out of the locker room after initially being cleared. They wouldn't sit him if he were 'ok'. Concussions can seriously hurt you long term, so this is a serious injury.

Summary: ron artest intentionally blindside hit a player with his elbow, and they are injured and potentially out for the rest of the season (see: Gerald Wallace, Blake Griffin in college, Najera; CONCUSSIONS ARE NO JOKE)

Artest should be banned for the rest of the season + 20 games next year if they really want to send a message that elbow shots to the head ARE NOT OK.

I couldn't possibly agree with you more.

[Wavy Q]

It's a good thing you 2 aren't in power to do anything about it or we'd have Roger Goodell type punishments raining down on every one

[dockingsched]

i'm starting to think prison sentence, am i off base?

[RamonSessions7]

i'm starting to think prison sentence, am i off base?

County only

[Kilroy]

Lame...