Rebooting the Lakers' Dynasty: ONE YEAR PLAN

[microfib4thewin]

I thought Miles wanted to see Bynum moved. If by that he means he has to be traded for Howard then I don't see why he feels so strongly about moving Bynum since getting Howard is still a longshot.

[ALL HAIL]

And don't bring up the scruples of tanking. For the billionth time, the Lakers already did it with Bynum. Hell, even the exemplary Spurs tanked, when they had David Robinson, to get Tim Duncan. It's part of the game, every team does it. Teams have to. Every team has to take its turn if they're trying to rebuild, and the Lakers clearly have to rebuild- in fact, are already rebuilding.

And you want to talk about honor and doing the right thing?

Babbling in Babylon my man.

You're throwing around that word "tanking" like everyone knows what it means to you.

To you, "tanking" means sitting down a healthy player, on a top 5 team, from the outset of the season, for the ENTIRE duration of the season, to gain an advantage for the following year (draft pick).

None of the above teams did that.

The Spurs did not intentionally sit Robinson from the outset of the season and fake an injury for the entire year.

In my lifetime, the Lakers never sat down there best player, a HOFer, for the entire season, with a top 5 roster, to have a cuticle removed.

[milesfides]

You misunderstand. I would definitely consider trading Bynum. I just don't think the Lakers will. And the Lakers can still proceed with resetting their roster with both Bynum and Kobe. I think you misunderstood the idea.

And nobody would say that what the Lakers are doing is unethical. Kobe has avoided having surgery because of his competitive nature. He's doing the ridiculous by NOT having surgery. There's no faking injury - do you know what Kobe had to go through this season?

And everybody knows the Lakers need to make major changes. In fact, most people recognize how the Lakers got screwed in the Chris Paul deal, and the new CBA. Nobody will fault them for blowing up the team.

Tanking is just part of the inevitable process, because the Lakers have a choice of being first round fodder for the next 2-3 years or being a contender for the next decade.

So you think Kobe should continue playing with a bad hand, on a noncompetitive, old roster battling for a mid to low playoff spot and get eliminated in the first round for now and the future?

Sorry, I don't. Don't want to see that team get pummeled over and over.

[ALL HAIL]

Now it's time for Kobe to create his own story. To choose his destiny. This is about giving Kobe what he deserves: a chance to get his body right. A chance to compete at full strength.

This is about Kobe going into battle with his guns loaded. This is about Ali, standing strong against the circling pack of Foremans.

This is about the Lakers choosing not to die the slow death the world expects. This is about the lakers choosing to step into the Jordan to be born again.

Man you're funny as hell dude.

Your old lady doesn't stand a chance with you. With a rap like that you probably have her wrapped around your little finger.

You could probably talk your way out getting caught in the bed in the act of having sex with another female.

"Your eyes have seen the unseen and that for which was not watchable. The love we share is and always shall be. Your eyes and forever rest with me."

Translation, I effed up and I'm trying my hardest to tug on your heart strings enough, so that your emotion will outweigh your logic.

Sorry homie, you can't justify Kobe faking an injury for the entire season as some act of karma for "all the good he has done".

Nope.

Save it for your lady.

[milesfides]

What?

[ALL HAIL]

You misunderstand. I would definitely consider trading Bynum. I just don't think the Lakers will. And the Lakers can still proceed with resetting their roster with both Bynum and Kobe. I think you misunderstood the idea.

And nobody would say that what the Lakers are doing is unethical. Kobe has avoided having surgery because of his competitive nature. He's doing the ridiculous by NOT having surgery. There's no faking injury - do you know what Kobe had to go through this season?

And everybody knows the Lakers need to make major changes. In fact, most people recognize how the Lakers got screwed in the Chris Paul deal, and the new CBA. Nobody will fault them for blowing up the team.

Tanking is just part of the inevitable process, because the Lakers have a choice of being first round fodder for the next 2-3 years or being a contender for the next decade.

So you think Kobe should continue playing with a bad hand, on a noncompetitive, old roster battling for a mid to low playoff spot and get eliminated in the first round for now and the future?

Sorry, I don't. Don't want to see that team get pummeled over and over.

A couple of problems though.

Woud a hand injury put him out the entire year? Don't think so.

So, unless he was out for the first 20 games or so and the Lakers are out of reach of playoff contention upon his return, you play him.

And also, this team, similiar to the Bulls team when Jordan left to go play baseball, would Surprise a lot people going a year without Kobe.

We all bared witness to how nice this team looked while Kobe sat.

Hell we're the last team to beat the Spurs, i believe without Kobe.

So not only would it be disingenuous to rest Kobe for the whole year, but the team could, at least based on what I've seen, do very well. I'll throw out a number a say they'd be top 5 in the West even without Kobe.

But more importantly than that, it's a bush league move from a bush league organinzation and that is not the team I follow.

[ALL HAIL]

Try to get the big guns (D-Will, Howard).

Expect to fail.

Try to trade Gasol (ex. swap for Iguodala).

Expect to fail.

Last resort, trade (notice no "try") Bynum.

Expect succcess (ex. the worst trade I can think of is Bynum/Hill/filler for Turner/Vucevic/Brand/15th ---I think benching the ambasador of the NBA as a sort of chess move is much worse than losing a little value in a trade by taking a flyer on a talented young guard, while also gaining a talented center and an almost lottery pick).

[milesfides]

Please read the luxury tax rules in 2014, then come back and edit your own posts.

And don't pretend it doesn't matter. The Mavs dismantled a championship team, and the Lakers gave away Odom, and most likely will get rid of Gasol in a way that makes us worse but cuts salary.

And your Bynum trade is wack. If you want to talk about your own outlandish trades, there's the offseason trade thread.

This thread isn't about small-minded moves. Lateral moves, downgrades, taking it up the butt, or talking about some phony sense of clearly ahistorical dignity. This isn't about playing for the scraps, bailing water out of a sinking ship.

This is about being born again.

[Jetset]

Please read the luxury tax rules in 2014, then come back and edit your own posts.

And don't pretend it doesn't matter. The Mavs dismantled a championship team, and the Lakers gave away Odom, and most likely will get rid of Gasol in a way that makes us worse but cuts salary.

And your Bynum trade is wack. If you want to talk about your own outlandish trades, there's the offseason trade thread.

This thread isn't about small-minded moves. Lateral moves, downgrades, taking it up the butt, or talking about some phony sense of clearly ahistorical dignity. This isn't about playing for the scraps, bailing water out of a sinking ship.

This is about being born again.

[Gek]

Damn.

[dockingsched]

[ALL HAIL]

And your Bynum trade is wack. If you want to talk about your own outlandish trades, there's the offseason trade thread.

This thread isn't about small-minded moves. Lateral moves, downgrades, taking it up the butt, or talking about some phony sense of clearly ahistorical dignity. This isn't about playing for the scraps, bailing water out of a sinking ship.

This is about being born again.

Again, you're acting like your idea is somehow more based in reality.

As unlikely as trading Bynum is, which is more likely, the Lakers choosing to trade Bynum for talented youth at multiple positions or the Lakers premeditatively sitting Kobe Bryant for an entire season for no other reason but sheer desperation to improve the talent on the team.

Which move is small minded, really?

I'm talking about getting a huge expiring deal along with three rookie deals.
I'm talking about shaving almost 20 mill off the payroll while remaining very good.
I'm talking about fielding the same starting five in which we won the last ring, while only replacing Fish with a true talent at PG (passing and defense).
I'm talking about adding three talented youngsters (on rookie deals) to a core with its' highest salaries coming off the books in two seaons.

What your talking about is asinine.

[Wile E. Coyote]

If I could make it from 1988 to 2000 without a championship, I think I could survive a few more years of being first round fodder until we unload these heavy contracts and start fresh.

[iamworthy]

The Purple and Gold never TANK!

[milesfides]

For the billionth time, they already did. SMH

And the Lakers are going to tank again anyway in 2014 when Kobe leaves to sign with a contender, leaving Andrew Bynum as your franchise player.

The writing is already on the wall; it's whether to have the balls to make a move while you still have a chance, or waiting to die a slow death.

Jerry West: "I don't think the Lakers will be good for much longer." (Jan, 2011)
Jerry West: "They're not one of the four best teams in the league." (May, 2012)
Magic: "Jerry Buss needs to blow this team up" (May, 2011)
Magic: "1. Fire Mike Brown 2. Trade Bynum 3. Trade Gasol" (May, 2012)

Fire this sh*t up.

[ALL HAIL]

What your talking about doing is way more than tanking.

Golden State tanked this year.

The difference in what Golden State did and what you're trying to do is that Golden State didn't enter into the year by benching its' best player on purpose.

They eventually benched Curry midseason ONLY after he rolled his ankle four or five times and the team was out of contention with a star center that was already done for the year too. So they did the math and realized they weren't making the playoffs.

That's tanking.

The Lakers are a top 5 team.

They have the most marketable basketball player on the planet on their team in Kobe Bryant.

You don't fake injury for the WHOLE YEAR with Kobe Bryant.

That is playing with fire and would set a very dangerous precedent.

We want Kobe to win MVP trophies not Oscars.

That goes far beyond most people's definition of tanking.

Note: Do you really think Kobe, who hates flopping, woudl actually agree to fake an injury to sit out the entire year?

And don't give me that he's really hurt stuff because even if he were to "rest" it definitley would not be for the whole damn season.

And please don't give me that it's already been done. It hasn't (at least not in my lifetime).

NO TEAM HAS INTENTIONALLY SAT A TOP FIVE PLAYER ON A TOP FIVE TEAM FO THE WHOLE DAMN SEASON.

It's a logical move, it's a creative move (circumventing the CBA restrictions and all), it's not an ethical move. It messes with fabric of sports.

Kind of like being out of timeouts in a championship touchdown drive then having your best player fake an injury so that the coaches can use that injury time to coach up the young players for a winning drive.

There are other ways to reach your goals.

Go back to the drawing board and explore those.

[yows]

great posts hail.
i am still perplex that the consideration of tanking as the only realistic option of success, that somehow we are in that big of a glut that they only way to win is to lose.

there are presumptions being drawn and assessments concluded about trade value of our assets, then there are references being drawn about the 'tank' it took to get bynum, ignoring the time it took to develop the kid to actually make an impact and then statements about events that will occur in two years i.e the lakers will tank again like some sort of prophecy. in the 'obtaining of bynum era' we simply were not asset rich. this is not what is currently being witnessed on our team now.

there are way too many assumptions being made here and level headed thinking can easily see this. however it appears that certain people have invested heavily into this idea and dismissed other avenues of approach.

unless you know without error or fault (noted below) i dont know how you would plan to execute this idea;
-the trade value of gasol/bynum (being privy to the info all all nba front office assessments on internal and external personell)
-the draftees you will acquire that will make an impact
-quantifiable monetary and broad business cost that it you will incur when you tank over a 82 game season with no playoffs in order to get a high yield draft pick and that this cost is something you will accept because you are able to quantify future profit that will provided a greater return.
-the information that the radical tanking, acquisition of draftees and disposal of core assets and with it team chemistry, will without fail, work cohesively at championship level.

I sometimes question posters experience in working with big organisations because it is not as simple as tanking a season, toppping up on talent and moving along as notihng happened like in a video game. but apparently in this case it is, so if people feel so strongly about this they should submit their plan the the front office.

[milesfides]

Please read cbafaq:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q21


Team salary above tax level Non-repeater Repeater
Lower Upper Tax rate Incremental maximum Tax rate Incremental maximum
$0 $4,999,999 $1.50 $7.5 million $2.50 $12.5 million
$5,000,000 $9,999,999 $1.75 $8.75 million $2.75 $13.75 million
$10,000,000 $14,999,999 $2.50 $12.5 million $3.50 $17.5 million
$15,000,000 $19,999,999 $3.25 $16.25 million $4.25 $21.25 million
$20,000,000 N/A $3.75, and increasing $.50 for
each additional $5 million. N/A $4.75, and increasing $.50 for
each additional $5 million. N/A

[yows]

thats only one piece of the puzzle miles.

[milesfides]

Oh, and I have yet to seen one trade with Pau Gasol that makes us a better team and helps us avoid heavy tax penalties.

You know why? Because it doesn't exist. You can't get a better player than Pau Gasol and cut salary.

Only 5 games separated the 3rd and 8th seed this year in the West. Spurs will be just as good, OKC will be even better, Denver will be better, Memphis will be better, even the Clippers will be better. Lakers? Will clearly be worse.

Do the math.