Eric Bledsoe thread

kobe808lak · Post #41 » by **kobe808lak** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:30 pm

what injuries did he suffer?

leeprettyp · Post #42 » by **leeprettyp** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:30 pm

myersia wrote:I feel like people forget that Sarver absolutely hates the Lakers. He was extremely against sending Nash to the lakers and only did so because Nash asked him to. The Suns will not send Bledsoe to the Lakers unless they at least get Randle. We might as well forget about Bledsoe. He's not coming here unless he becomes an unrestricted free agent next year and doesn't sign an extension.

You're probably right but I doubt Bledsoe leaves money on the table in the end

LApwnd · Post #43 » by **LApwnd** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:33 pm

myersia wrote:I feel like people forget that Sarver absolutely hates the Lakers. He was extremely against sending Nash to the lakers and only did so because Nash asked him to. The Suns will not send Bledsoe to the Lakers unless they at least get Randle. We might as well forget about Bledsoe. He's not coming here unless he becomes an unrestricted free agent next year and doesn't sign an extension.

you sure it wasn't because he raped us and took 2 1st and a 2nd for a 36 yr. old pg with back problems that he wasn't going to bring back anyways? :lol:

desertlakerfan · Post #44 » by **desertlakerfan** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:55 pm

PHX offered Bledsoe what he is worth and he rejected it.

There is no way we should offer him more AND trade away our best prospect for someone who is not max level talent.

spaceballer · Post #45 » by **spaceballer** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:01 pm

kobe808lak wrote:what injuries did he suffer?

He has knee issues.

On the Clippers, he underwent meniscus surgery to try to repair it. On the Suns, he underwent meniscus surgery to the same knee, but this time, they had to remove part of his meniscus because it couldn't be repaired.

He has yet to be able to put up an entire year playing at this level as a starter, contract year incentive or otherwise. And the fact that both surgeries related to the meniscus in the same knee, on two different teams, raises red flags for potential chronic knee issues. Once his meniscus is entirely gone, it'll be bone-on-bone contact with no padding, just like Brandon Roy's knees.

There's a reason no one is offering him the max because of injury concerns. He's a injury risk, with a injury history to the same knee more than once, progressively worse since the last surgery required partial removal because they couldn't repair the meniscus like the first time. And since his game (whether moving around and defending, or driving and scoring) depends so much on his knees and athleticism, instead of a more cerebral passing game or less physically demanding spot up shooting game, the loss to his knees can have a devastating effect on his impact on the court.

Anyone giving him a big or long contract is potentially looking at another Nash or Amar'e Stoudemire (both Suns players that the miracle medical staff in Phoenix knew when to cut bait on). It's a gamble. Are you feeling lucky? Especially gambling on someone who can be a nice piece but probably won't be the foundational player that a Lebron or Melo would be, but whose long max contract will soak up a lot of cap space if he's sitting on the bench recovering from recurring knee issues or unable to contribute because of shot knees. And that's before considering what assets may need to be given up to convince the Suns to trade him.

You can get lucky and have him in his prime and luck out with no injuries during his next contract. Or you can get unlucky and the knee issues come back once he has his fat contract. Definitely a gamble. Other teams have chosen not to gamble on his knees for a max contract (including the Suns) and that's why he's still sitting on the market at this late date looking for a max contract that no one is willing to give him despite his play.

I think he's got to put up an injury free year as a starter playing at this level before he can really convince people he's worth the max contract and won't get hit with another knee surgery or drop off in play. But who knows, maybe the injury scares create a buy low scenario where you can get him below market value, assuming you're willing to risk the gamble. Though he's holding out for a max contract right now (he won't get it).

myersia · Post #46 » by **myersia** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:17 pm

LApwnd wrote:
myersia wrote:I feel like people forget that Sarver absolutely hates the Lakers. He was extremely against sending Nash to the lakers and only did so because Nash asked him to. The Suns will not send Bledsoe to the Lakers unless they at least get Randle. We might as well forget about Bledsoe. He's not coming here unless he becomes an unrestricted free agent next year and doesn't sign an extension.

you sure it wasn't because he raped us and took 2 1st and a 2nd for a 36 yr. old pg with back problems that he wasn't going to bring back anyways?

At the time it wasn't a rape. Nash had played well the year before and prior. It's easy to say we got screwed now.

Ballerhogger · Post #47 » by **Ballerhogger** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:19 pm

myersia wrote:
LApwnd wrote:
myersia wrote:I feel like people forget that Sarver absolutely hates the Lakers. He was extremely against sending Nash to the lakers and only did so because Nash asked him to. The Suns will not send Bledsoe to the Lakers unless they at least get Randle. We might as well forget about Bledsoe. He's not coming here unless he becomes an unrestricted free agent next year and doesn't sign an extension.

you sure it wasn't because he raped us and took 2 1st and a 2nd for a 36 yr. old pg with back problems that he wasn't going to bring back anyways?

At the time it wasn't a rape. Nash had played well the year before and prior. It's easy to say we got screwed now.

myersia · Post #48 » by **myersia** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:22 pm

Ballerhogger wrote:
myersia wrote:
LApwnd wrote:
you sure it wasn't because he raped us and took 2 1st and a 2nd for a 36 yr. old pg with back problems that he wasn't going to bring back anyways?

At the time it wasn't a rape. Nash had played well the year before and prior. It's easy to say we got screwed now.

. Not even going to bring up this debate again. Go back and read previous threads on Nash :lol:

LApwnd · Post #49 » by **LApwnd** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:26 pm

myersia wrote:
LApwnd wrote:
myersia wrote:I feel like people forget that Sarver absolutely hates the Lakers. He was extremely against sending Nash to the lakers and only did so because Nash asked him to. The Suns will not send Bledsoe to the Lakers unless they at least get Randle. We might as well forget about Bledsoe. He's not coming here unless he becomes an unrestricted free agent next year and doesn't sign an extension.

you sure it wasn't because he raped us and took 2 1st and a 2nd for a 36 yr. old pg with back problems that he wasn't going to bring back anyways?

At the time it wasn't a rape. Nash had played well the year before and prior. It's easy to say we got screwed now.

his prior year performance was all-star worthy but still he was 36, had bad back, and Pho wasn't going to resign him regardless. 1 1st and the 2nd with the tpe should've sufficied. Mitch got bent over like a lil girl in that trade even if had worked out. Nash played a big part in this screw job, dude wanted his "cake and eat it too" he got his money and his way, should've been one or the other, take a paycut to come here and/or threaten Pho mgmt. he'd sign for whatever we offered and Pho would've gotten nothing like they would've had Nash taken the NYK offer. Nash trade is 10x worse than Bynum/Howard trade.

leeprettyp · Post #50 » by **leeprettyp** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:41 pm

Didn't CP3 have his meniscus removed from inside his right knee? He's been bone on bone for quite some time now

lakersin4 · Post #51 » by **lakersin4** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:05 pm

Nash & Hou 1st for Bledsoe.. If they want more than that, keep him.

junot111 · Post #52 » by **junot111** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:43 pm

lakersin4 wrote:Nash & Hou 1st for Bledsoe.. If they want more than that, keep him.

of course they'll want more. lol

KingLakers · Post #53 » by **KingLakers** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:53 pm

I think the closer they get to training camp without an agreement with Bledsoe the Suns could trade him and maybe take the Nash, pick scenario but right now it's pretty far fetched that happens.

Beethoven · Post #54 » by **Beethoven** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:53 pm

Please. No.
Let's roll with our All-Asian backcourt. Let's go.

slifersd · Post #55 » by **slifersd** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:01 pm

I might be in the minority here, but I don't think we should trade that 1st rounder for anything other than an all star level guy at least. Draft picks, particularly 1st rounders are very valuable in trade market these days. You used to get a 1st rounder by trading away a rotation guy, but no team is willing to give it up even for a very good starting level guy any more. Since we are so low on picks at the moment, we need to make sure our 1st rounder gets us someone amazing, like Kevin Love. Bledsoe is very nice, and i would love to see him in a Lakers uniform, but we should have signed him straight up with our cap space, not trade away our few valuable bargaining chips for him. We don't have a lot of assets, both in terms of players and picks, so we gotta make everyone count.

LApwnd · Post #56 » by **LApwnd** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:19 pm

if bledsoe really wants out of pho he should just tell their mgmt. he'll take the qualifying offer now and become ufa next year otherwise everything being leaked is done by his agent to get Pho to up their offer. Bled and his agent both should know the injury issue is gona severly hamper their max contract request. Play out the season and prove you can start and play most of the season. If he can do that for a yr he'll get his max for sure next year and it'll force Pho hands as well to trade him sooner to avoid risk of losing him for nothing.

spaceballer · Post #57 » by **spaceballer** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:25 pm

LApwnd wrote:if bledsoe really wants out of pho he should just tell their mgmt. he'll take the qualifying offer now and become ufa next year otherwise everything being leaked is done by his agent to get Pho to up their offer. Bled and his agent both should know the injury issue is gona severly hamper their max contract request. Play out the season and prove you can start and play most of the season. If he can do that for a yr he'll get his max for sure next year and it'll force Pho hands as well to trade him sooner to avoid risk of losing him for nothing.

If he's on a 1yr qualifying offer, he can't be traded without his consent, according to the CBA. But there's no way he would take the qualifying offer of $3.7M, too much of a risk for him considering his injury issues. His agent is bluffing and they'll probably eventually settle once they realize no one is giving him max this year.

Speedlot · Post #58 » by **Speedlot** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:50 pm

Kilroy wrote:I'm in the Bledsoe is overrated camp. Especially if it takes Randle to get him.

Actually, I'm in the "I hope no one bails out the Suns, and Bledsoe walks for nothing" camp. Let him test free agency.

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dirtymike · Post #59 » by **dirtymike** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:05 pm

desertlakerfan wrote:PHX offered Bledsoe what he is worth and he rejected it.

There is no way we should offer him more AND trade away our best prospect for someone who is not max level talent.

Wouldnt trade Randle. But if we could get him somehow just to spite PHX....

Indy2LA · Post #60 » by **Indy2LA** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:11 pm

desertlakerfan wrote:PHX offered Bledsoe what he is worth and he rejected it.

There is no way we should offer him more AND trade away our best prospect for someone who is not max level talent.

Couldn't agree more! Never give a max contract to a player whose only had one great year. I love his defensive ability but he doesn't seem to be the sharpest knife in the drawer either. The opposite of Jeremy Lin. You need an intelligent floor general to run your offense. He couldn't even graduate high school or become NCAA eligible without Calipari changing his grades.

To quote the great Jimmy Johnson...

"Hit me in the head with a hammer the next time I draft a dumb guy."