Official trade thread/buy-out market 20-21 edition

[mcscotty]

I've been following OKC on the side this season. Schroder can light it up off the bench consistently. Plays D in spurts,too. I'd definitely put him on the short list.

[tamaraw08]

I dunno. From what I saw from him is talent but not a lot of urgency or high level thinking in defense. Not that we have a lot of that but I want to add more of the lebron, rondo, caruso, kcp types.

Just before injuries in 2018-18 he was 1st team all defense and I think he was one of the best defenders for his size that I have seen. He seems to be everywhere on defense. Imagine this guy, Bradley, Caruso and AD.

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Main concern I have with Oladipo is injury risk and load management.

OMG, hard no on Oladipo. He is the modern day Carmelo Anthony. He is not a great defender(post injury), not a great passer, under 5 assists, not a great rebounder, doesn't go to the FT line enough. We fans most of the time remember his clutch shots at Indiana but it's not like very efficient there anyway. 5 of 7 years, he has failed to hit above 36% from 3 pt area, hit just under 32% last year. Career 53.6 TS% compare that to Bradley who shot 53.7 last season with much better defense and the Lakers won without him in the bubble.
btw, you can find pretty much everything from youtube including Danny Green and KCP's defensive highlights.
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[zimpy27]

I dunno. From what I saw from him is talent but not a lot of urgency or high level thinking in defense. Not that we have a lot of that but I want to add more of the lebron, rondo, caruso, kcp types.

Just before injuries in 2018-18 he was 1st team all defense and I think he was one of the best defenders for his size that I have seen. He seems to be everywhere on defense. Imagine this guy, Bradley, Caruso and AD.

Watch on YouTube

Main concern I have with Oladipo is injury risk and load management.

OMG, hard no on Oladipo. He is the modern day Carmelo Anthony. He is not a great defender(post injury), not a great passer, under 5 assists, not a great rebounder, doesn't go to the FT line enough. We fans most of the time remember his clutch shots at Indiana but it's not like very efficient there anyway. 5 of 7 years, he has failed to hit above 36% from 3 pt area, hit just under 32% last year. Career 53.6 TS% compare that to Bradley who shot 53.7 last season with much better defense and the Lakers won without him in the bubble.
btw, you can find pretty much everything from youtube including Danny Green and KCP's defensive highlights.
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The highlights were to show people his abilities, he was 1st team all defense. He has only just come back from injury and he will be better next season. It's unlikely indiana trades him anyway as his value is low right now but it won't be mid-season.

[lazybatman]

I am surprised this thread wasn’t up yet, shame on you realgmers.

To start, what’s up with this CP3 rumor going around?
Green
Bradly
Cook
Caruso
Kuzma
This years First (28th)
For Chris Paul

Any takers?

Who said anything about Caruso and Bradley?

[lazybatman]

Just before injuries in 2018-18 he was 1st team all defense and I think he was one of the best defenders for his size that I have seen. He seems to be everywhere on defense. Imagine this guy, Bradley, Caruso and AD.

Main concern I have with Oladipo is injury risk and load management.

OMG, hard no on Oladipo. He is the modern day Carmelo Anthony. He is not a great defender(post injury), not a great passer, under 5 assists, not a great rebounder, doesn't go to the FT line enough. We fans most of the time remember his clutch shots at Indiana but it's not like very efficient there anyway. 5 of 7 years, he has failed to hit above 36% from 3 pt area, hit just under 32% last year. Career 53.6 TS% compare that to Bradley who shot 53.7 last season with much better defense and the Lakers won without him in the bubble.
btw, you can find pretty much everything from youtube including Danny Green and KCP's defensive highlights.

The highlights were to show people his abilities, he was 1st team all defense. He has only just come back from injury and he will be better next season. It's unlikely indiana trades him anyway as his value is low right now but it won't be mid-season.

Oladipo is one of the nicest, most hard working, team first dudes out there in the league. His injury is the only big question. If fit, he makes us pretty heavy favorites to repeat.

Awesome elite defender and playmaker. This guy's a genuine elite 2 way wing - an extremely rare commodity in the the NBA.

If we can get him without sacrificing Caruso, Rondo & Bradley(sadly gotta use Green's salary), I'd personally say it's a fare gamble for a chance to pretty much lock in the chip next year.

P.S. - I'd rate him over Kyrie(at any point in his career), pre 2018 Harden

[lazybatman]

I've been following OKC on the side this season. Schroder can light it up off the bench consistently. Plays D in spurts,too. I'd definitely put him on the short list.

Schroder's nice. Are OKC willing to dangle him though? Will leave them a tad too thin for even a genuine rebuild, unless they wanna go full 76ers for a few years.

[lazybatman]

Which players LAL can get for this two packages?
- D.Green and K.Kuzma
- McGee, Cook and 2020 1st round pick

Oladipo and McDermott could be had for Green, Kuzma, Bradley, pick 28.
McDermott could be had for pick 28 and salary filler (McGee, Cook)
Oladipo could be had for Green, Kuzma, Bradley

PG: Caruso | Rondo
SG: Oladipo | KCP
SF: LeBron | McDermott
PF: Davis | Markieff
C : Howard | Cousins

I would start KCP and Dipo in that hypothetical lineup, and it would obviously be an upgrade over our playoff starting lineup.

The question is how much can we resign KCP and Rondo using their birds rights (after resigning AD) while still remaining under the tax apron and qualifying for the full MLE?

Also, from what I've read, retaining Rondo would require giving him over a 1 year deal as we only have early bird rights, so we are talking about a contract that we might need to dump in 2021 while attaching assets. But regardless, I'm ok with keeping KCP for a one year deal and Rondo for whatever deal that gets the job done using bird rights, but I believe if we are over the tax we will not get the full MLE, so how much they get paid plus ADs pay bump and the difference in Dipo/Mcdermot's contracts vs our outpu tcould lead to us only having the BAE and no MLE, correct?


I ask because retaining Dwight and Markeif (or signing replacements with similar quality )becomes essential if Mcgee and Kuz are gone, and I'm not sure the BAE is enough to get the job done.

KCP/Oladipo/Bron/AD/Dwight is an upgrade over our starting 5 for this year. Rondo and Caruso showed they are a capable pair of backup guards. The bench obviously downgrades with Mcdermott/Markief instead of Kuz/Markief in those roles, but I believe that downgrade is acceptable. Same as the Dwight/vet min center vs Dwight/Mcgee center duo. But this only works if we could retain Dwight and Markief or find replacements with the same quality, which becomes very difficult to do if we don't have the full MLE to work with.

If we do have the full FME after all this, I'm all for it. Even a 3 and D version of Dipo is enough of an upgrade to make up for the bench downgrades, and Kuz realistically has to go anyways due to him being up for an extension. one of Dwight or Mcgee is perfectly fine for what we need from that position. We should be able to find a second quality big to let AD not play center during the RS for the minimum, whether it's cousins, a ring chaser, or an undervalued young big looking to up their value.

We should be able to find enough ring chasing options to add depth all around and THT should be ready for a bigger reserve role, but it leaves very little room for error.

As long as we aren't expecting Dipo to be the third head in a big three and expecting him to be an upgraded version of Danny Green, this team, if possible to assemble, is a good combination of retooling and retention of valuable pieces.

McDermott's nice cos of the 43.5% 3pt FG(41.2% career avg / 57.5% corner 3pt FG) on 4.3 attempts last year, which is absolutely wild. Expect that attempts number to go up to about 6-7 range with Lebron + Rondo. Haven't seen him play much, but seems like he used to be a bit of a turn style defender earlier in his career, but averaged a positive DRPM last season. He is in his final year of the $7.3M/yr contract so we might risk overpaying for him in a trade scenario. Have the Pacers indicated anything different? What would it take to tempt them to trade Dipo and McDermott to us. I'm guessing the charms of Danny Green, McGee and Kuzma aren't enough.

Shouldn't we be doing a sign and trade for FA big men - Noel / Whiteside, and we better be locking up Boogie as soon as the window opens up. I'd personally be happier with Boogie, Whiteside and Morris, if we can find takers for McGee, and not sign Dwight.

Reminder: I hate Dwight cos of spacing issues, foul trouble and general dimwittedness. Just a bigger JR Smith at this point really. Unplayable through 75% of the playoffs, including the closeout games against the Nuggets, which was supposed to be his bread and butter matchup. Frankly don't get the love he receives from the media and Lakers faithful. Not saying he had no contribution to the title, but he deserves the non-guaranteed contract he got. Happily trade him and McGee for getting Zubac back from the Clips.

[snaquille oatmeal]

I am surprised this thread wasn’t up yet, shame on you realgmers.

To start, what’s up with this CP3 rumor going around?
Green
Bradly
Cook
Caruso
Kuzma
This years First (28th)
For Chris Paul

Any takers?

Who said anything about Caruso and Bradley?

Need to make salaries match, I even forgot to include Mcgee

[lazybatman]

I am surprised this thread wasn’t up yet, shame on you realgmers.

To start, what’s up with this CP3 rumor going around?
Green
Bradly
Cook
Caruso
Kuzma
This years First (28th)
For Chris Paul

Any takers?

Who said anything about Caruso and Bradley?

Need to make salaries match, I even forgot to include Mcgee

Caruso's too good to be moved as a $2m trade piece.

https://tradenba.com/trades/UxmK9x7tL

Trade goes through with only Kuz, McGee, Green and Cook. May need to add a couple of picks realistically though.

[snaquille oatmeal]

Who said anything about Caruso and Bradley?

Need to make salaries match, I even forgot to include Mcgee

Caruso's too good to be moved as a $2m trade piece.

https://tradenba.com/trades/UxmK9x7tL

Trade goes through with only Kuz, McGee, Green and Cook. May need to add a couple of picks realistically though.

That’s what I was reading in articles at the time I started the thread

[Yunsta]

If cp3 really wants to win a ring with the king he will opt out this gutting roster nonsense is silly

[stan francisco]

The good thing for us fans right now is that more than ever before, Jeannie buys in with the championship creators (GM staff/Coaching staff).

I’m 100% certain that if we needed to go deep into the luxury cap to remain a contender, she’d go for it. It’s not about the money. If Rob is smart, he makes a few backloaded contract offers to some ring chasing veterans. If we’re contending for the next five years, she’d happily pay the lux tax.

[BEazy]

CP3 can't opt out of his contract. The only way to leave freely is buyout. It's really up to CP3 for what he values more. Money or a ring.

CP3 can opt out of his contract 21-22. He'll be 38 by then...

[DanishLakerFan]

CP3 can't opt out of his contract. The only way to leave freely is buyout. It's really up to CP3 for what he values more. Money or a ring.

CP3 can opt out of his contract 21-22. He'll be 38 by then...

Most would probably leave a bit on the table if they can go to a better sitution and/or if they think they can make it up later, but not that kind of money.

[loveshaq786]

1) Danny green, #28, CASH, and kuz for bogs (from SAC) and #12 (draft Aaron Nesmith)

2) Try our luck with Kcp (s&t) and cook for oladipo, if his value is that low. Bargain... Risk<<<<< reward

3) if houston is desperate to cut costs.... Avery bradley and mcgee for covington. Also addresses their need for a center, while being able save 6+ million (if they release bradley)

Side note.... I like Donte DiVincenzo. Could get be had for kuz?

[loveshaq786]

If we are going for d.rose. we should definitely be trying for a (s&t) for Christian wood, as well.

Danny green, kuz for d.rose and wood (3 year/18)

If we luck out on dwight and wood... Is mcgee worth it at 5/year?

[stan francisco]

I think if we base our trade pursuits on what we need to plug in around BronBrow, it’ll be easier to target the right trades.

We don’t need a big name, just the rightcomplementing pieces. I’d rather have Rondo than than CP3 due to price and injuries. I’d rather not have D Rose here due to injury risk.

We need young legs and defense.

[lazybatman]

I think if we base our trade pursuits on what we need to plug in around BronBrow, it’ll be easier to target the right trades.

We don’t need a big name, just the rightcomplementing pieces. I’d rather have Rondo than than CP3 due to price and injuries. I’d rather not have D Rose here due to injury risk.

We need young legs and defense.

Agree. Don't need a 3rd star essentially. Just better role players.

[snaquille oatmeal]

We have to keep in mind with all these sign and trade ideas that the Lakers are aiming for the most cap room possible when Giannis is a free agent.
Not saying we will get Giannis just saying that is the plan.

[zimpy27]

We have to keep in mind with all these sign and trade ideas that the Lakers are aiming for the most cap room possible when Giannis is a free agent.
Not saying we will get Giannis just saying that is the plan.

Why would that be the plan?
Compromise the ability to build the best team possible next season for the slim chance Giannis take a pay cut to join the Lakers in 2021.

Seems like it shouldn't be the plan.