Trades

[Up-And-Coming]

Both points are spot on. The Lakers were 21-6 to start the season, and then went 7-7 after losing their second best player. They were up 2-1 on Phx in the playoffs, and then lost the next 3 games by double digits after losing their second best player at the half of game 4. Losing your second best player shouldn’t result in that significant of a drop off. If it does, it tells you the rest of the roster isn’t good enough. The Clippers by contrast, lost their best player and was still able to take down the favored Jazz.

The options for the assets the Lakers have aren’t going to be ideal, so you do the best you can.

Kemba, (if healthy)
Buddy Hield
Kyle Lowry
Brogdon

I like that list of names and seems like some of our best-case scenarios w/ our assets (Kuz, #22 FRP, THT if necessary). I know this isn't a big name but I would add Devonte' Graham to that list as he's a restricted free agent who we may be able to work a sign-and-trade for. LaMelo moves into the starting lineup full-time w/ Terry Rozier and I don't know how much Charlotte would be willing to pay to keep Devonte' off the bench w/ Malik Monk as well.

In a vacuum, there's no consensus that Devonte' is a better player than Schroder, but I think they are around the same caliber and I think Devonte' is a much, much better fit w/ Bron and AD as he's an actual 3-point shooter (38% on 9 attempts the last 2 seasons) and he's a capable passer and had an amazing 3.6 assists to turnover ratio last season. Add on top of that he's a couple years younger than Dennis, he seems like he'd be a better fit.

Advanced stats show that Dennis was a better defender last season, but I think a lot of that has to do with our team's/Vogel's defensive schemes. Advanced stats showed Devonte' has been better offensively the last 2 seasons and also had a higher VORP.

Graham is a guy whose name I’ve seen mentioned lately and yes, I agree he’d be a nice get. I agree he’s a slightly better fit than Dennis as well. A potential swap of Harrell for Graham is something I saw mentioned in an article and I liked the idea.

Yup. Charlotte needs front-court depth and Kuz or Harrell (if he opts in) could help with that. Doesn't seem one-sided or too unrealistic either.

[lazybatman]

I wanna talk about KCP a bit here, seeing as he has been listed as random throw in, in most of the trade scenarios here based on a 5 game sample size. Our 3 point shooting totally fell apart in the Phoenix series and it's the easy scapegoat for the loss.

Let's take a moment to consider the AD+Lebron injuries & Dennis being way off the boil after he returned from his Covid Vacation. This not only caused reduced direct production from our 3 best players but also a huge drop off in playmaking, ergo the shooting. It wasn't just AD going down. Bron & Dennis were clearly not close to 100%. That right there is 90% of the problem

There aren't many real 3&D(more appropriately D&3) guys better than KCP in the NBA. And those better than him aren't available. For context we just saw 3 of the elitest shooters(Joe Harris, MPJ & Davis Bertans) totally get exposed during the playoffs. As a bonus neither of them (and most of the other 42% 3 fg guys you can pick off basketballreference.com) do not know how to play an ounce of defense.

For a team that hangs its hat Defense, to lose KCP(+other assets like Kuz) for a player like Kemba(injury prone & a seive on defense) is like shooting yourself in the head.

Your points are way off. If you(I'm talking general terms here, not just you) licked his ass after a playoff bubble performance(overrated I might add) but small sample size, you also need to acknowldege his bad play this playoffs. Stop the double standard.
I am not talking in general terms, and I'm talking just to you

I do acknowledge it. He sucked, so did the rest of the roster. But so did Joe Harris & Davis Bertans. He shot 41% from the 3 this regular season, 39.5% for the last 2 years - Not a small sample size. Stop harping about 36%. It's ancient history. It's not the player he is anymore.

Another thing, stop overrating his **** talents. He's nowhere close to being one of the best 3D guys in the league.
Did you know that he's a 36% shooter from 3 with the Lakers when there are fans in the arena? I'm not making this up, it's real. Bubble play(last playoffs) and empty arenas(this season) is THE ANOMALY. Playing in front of crowds IS NOT. This guy gets rattled, simple as that, an 80ish game sample size in which he didn't have a crowd to boo him and he shot close to 40% from 3( wide open set shots, he doesn't do stepbacks, off the dribble or any kind of other 3's) doesn't make him a good shooter. "when there's fans in the arena" Idk what that means. So should we start putting an asterisk next to #17 too?

He's a damn average shooter. That's the league average, about 36%.

And he's way overrated as a defender by any metric you can find. Way.

Find me 3 better D&3 guys that are available @ 13m, and I'm sold bruh. I don't think there are any.

There are a town full of those 38-42% shooters who can't defend much better than Kemba Walker, but that's just 3, NO D.

Matisse Thybulle is a 2nd year guy who plays off the bench for 20 mins a game and he's gotten 2nd team all D and his metrics are outstanding on defense.

Thybull is a All NBA D level defender dude.. Chill tf out. I said KCP is above average, which is like the top 25-200 defenders in the league. Gives consistent effort and follows Vogel's defensive schemes to the T. I didn't say he was all NBA ffs. And Thybull, FYI, shoots a little worse than Schroeder on 3, so why tf are we comparing them. And you were talking all about Offense > Defense. Make up your mind.

And there are TONS of better guys, Pope is simply not in the "great" category, he's borderline "good".

Name the tons @ that salary. And don't come up with the Tony Snells and Joe Harrises who can't defend and become liabilities in a playoff series like Ben MacLemore. Go on.. do your research and name them. Hint: I named a couple in the other thread on the Lakers board, but I'm still not trading KCP.

And I don't give a **** about what you see him do defensively, if it's not backed by the metrics it doesn't matter.

Okay then.
Source - https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanced/?Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&GroupQuantity=3&TeamID=1610612747&sort=NET_RATING&dir=1&CF=MIN*GE*400

Those are the 10 top Net Rtg 3 man lineups Lakers ran this season. Filter: => 400 minutes.

KCP is in 5 of the top 7 of them, which is only equaled by Lebron. His utility is understanding and playing the system that makes the Lakers different and great.

You don't need 5 great defenders / players to execute it, but it is a complicated system that Vogel uses, and you need dudes with a decent IQ and buy in to learn and execute it well. The fact that our defense was #4 in the NBA without Bron & AD is because of guys like KCP, Kuz, Morris, Gasol, Dennis. It's not over rating no one. Just giving credit where it's due.

This team needs scorers, not defenders. We had defenders and we got teams to score 100ish points, under their average.
But guessed what? We scored 85-90 ourselvez. Again, our top 3 players were injured / hobbled. Stop friggin over reacting and calm tf down. It was a tough season, where AD came in hobbled and didn't really look like himself, but for maybe 4-6 games including the playoffs. Lebron & Dennis never really reached even 80% fitness in the playoffs. KCP & Caruso kept going in and out of the lineup all season, including the 6 playoff games. And we made those lofty promises to induct Drummond into a team already reeling with continuity issues.

You can't win a playoff series with bad offense in this league. You can't. It's not the early 00's, you adapt or die.
But you can win with average and even bad defense on occasions. It's not a 50/50 league anymore, but a 75% O and 25% D league.Really?? How did the Jazz / Nets lose then? Historically great offenses. And the Clips(hopefully) about to lose soon too.

Exceptions(KD+Warriors, Kobe+Shaq, 90s Bulls, Early Celtics) aside, the playoffs are, and have always been about having the least amount of weaknesses and ability to adjust. The great teams are able to morph into a few different avatars to counter different styles and still impose their will anyhow.

I would love to hear you blaming injuries for the Nets loss, but not acknowledge the same for us, cos it's just fun to panic rn.

And for the record, I'm not saying our offense is good enough. It's anything but rn. But trading away core pieces like KCP is hardly the way to go about improving it.

And Kuzma and KCT are nowhere near the difference between good defense and bad one in the first place, come on now. He didn't even play in Game 4 and we still held Phx to 97 points and Booker shot 5/16 with 7 turnovers. Next guy stepped up and that's what she wrote.So we are down to 1 game sample sizes now. I don't know how to keep reacting to this

Whenever Lebron and/or Davis miss games(and it's happened A LOT lately), you can have your pals KCT and Kuzma come in to dinner because they're as useless as you and me at basketball, and we have no chance of winning.

KCP and Caruso are redundant talent, period. Both do sorta the same things. Interesting.. do you even watch any Lakers Basketball?
One in the rotation is more than enough. If not you can always find more. The notion they're hard to find is ridiculous, Clippers just got Batum from the FA market who's way better, they also got Terrence Man for scraps basically, a very late pick.
Royce O' Neale is one of the league's best 3D guys and was also a late pick. It's the easiest position to fill in the league.. I'm still waiting for names to fill it.

Kemba+Caruso >>>>>> KCP+Caruso+Kuzma on a team. More diversity, better fit.Off topic, what is the reason for your blind love for Kemba Walker
- who is also a career 36% league average shooter
- hasn't played 100 games combined in the last 2 years due to injuries
- ageing superstar on a totally over MV long term contract
- defensive liability
- below average playmaker for a PG
- shot 32% FG & 17% 3FG in the most recent playoffs.. since we are only focused on 5 game sample sizes.

Are you his burner or his agent? Stop the crusade dude. Hard Pass!!!!

And to end it, stop throwing other players under the bus if you want to defend these two bozos, it totally refutes your point. As bad as you think they played, they came nowhere close to our two clowns. Danny Green was nowhere near this bad and paid the price, so should they.

Even if one of them had played ok and you wanted to keep him, it's about the salaries here. You need to package them both together if you want to get someone with an all star caliber play and salary. That's why you keep seeing them paired together in trades.

[lazybatman]

We were up 2-1 and 10 points in Game 4 over the current favorites to win the title, before AD went down. Stop the panic and over reactions, and trust in our stars being healthy and whole for next season.

You could put a healthy Lebron and AD on the Thunder and they would have had them up 2-1 over Phoenix too. That doesn’t mean the Thunder have a good roster. I’m not even saying you definitely move KCP (Kuzma needs to be gone yesterday though). If Harrell opts in and can be used to facilitate a deal, that’s more ideal, but if Harrell doesn’t opt in, KCP probably becomes the team’s best trade chip.

The Thunder & the other 28 teams in the league, without Bron+AD, would not have a .500 record and the league's #4 defense

We are likely gonna have Kuz(13m)+Dennis(18-20m)+Gasol(2.6). That right there is 33+ mil trade value for a star. Trez & THT conditionally too(about 20 mil). That's 55m tradable salary right there, without AC+KCP.

I'd be trying to keep AC, KCP, THT, Wes, Kuz, Gasol (in that order) here as long as possible, for the sake of continuity and chemistry. If we need to put together a package including some of them for an absolute slam dunk deal, so be it. No regrets.

But, picking up randoms who shoot 40% from 3, is not the way to build a team to win a championship.

[Pythagoras]

We were up 2-1 and 10 points in Game 4 over the current favorites to win the title, before AD went down. Stop the panic and over reactions, and trust in our stars being healthy and whole for next season.

You could put a healthy Lebron and AD on the Thunder and they would have had them up 2-1 over Phoenix too. That doesn’t mean the Thunder have a good roster. I’m not even saying you definitely move KCP (Kuzma needs to be gone yesterday though). If Harrell opts in and can be used to facilitate a deal, that’s more ideal, but if Harrell doesn’t opt in, KCP probably becomes the team’s best trade chip.

The Thunder & the other 28 teams in the league, without Bron+AD, would not have a .500 record and the league's #4 defense

We are likely gonna have Kuz(13m)+Dennis(18-20m)+Gasol(2.6). That right there is 33+ mil trade value for a star. Trez & THT conditionally too(about 20 mil). That's 55m tradable salary right there, without AC+KCP.

I'd be trying to keep AC, KCP, THT, Kuz, Gasol (in that order) here as long as possible, for the sake of continuity and chemistry. If we need to put together a package including some of them for an absolute slam dunk deal, so be it. No regrets.

But, picking or randoms who shoot 40% from 3, off the street, is not the way to build a team to win a championship.

Dude… The Lakers aren’t getting a star for a Kuz+Schroeder+Gasol package, c’mon now. Continuity and chemistry mean squat when you’ve got two top 5 players. Many of the names being thrown out there are good players, they just aren’t sexy.

[lazybatman]

Dude… The Lakers aren’t getting a star for a Kuz+Schroeder+Gasol package, c’mon now. Continuity and chemistry mean squat when you’ve got two top 5 players. Many of the names being thrown out there are good players, they just aren’t sexy.

Your opinion, after that comment, means less than squat. Save yourself the embarrassment. Stop posting.

[Pythagoras]

Dude… The Lakers aren’t getting a star for a Kuz+Schroeder+Gasol package, c’mon now. Continuity and chemistry mean squat when you’ve got two top 5 players. Many of the names being thrown out there are good players, they just aren’t sexy.

Your opinion, after that comment, means less than squat. Save yourself the embarrassment. Stop posting.

You just posted that Kuz, Gasol, and Schroeder can net a star and you’re telling me to sop embarrassing myself… K

[lazybatman]

Dude… The Lakers aren’t getting a star for a Kuz+Schroeder+Gasol package, c’mon now. Continuity and chemistry mean squat when you’ve got two top 5 players. Many of the names being thrown out there are good players, they just aren’t sexy.

Your opinion, after that comment, means less than squat. Save yourself the embarrassment. Stop posting.

You just posted that Kuz, Gasol, and Schroeder can net a star and you’re telling me to sop embarrassing myself… K

Did I? Quotes?

I don't think any of of our role players can net a star, unless we're calling bad salary Wall/Kemba/Love/maybe Ben Simmons stars now.

You just said continuity & chemistry mean squat around AD+Bron. That is the dumbest take ever.

[Pythagoras]

Here’s an interesting podcast on Lakers trade options.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/trade-szn/id1532574610?i=1000526889126

This is interesting because they contacted other people who cover the teams of the trade proposals and the people covering agreed to these. Doesn’t mean that the org would too, but I do think it sets a decent baselines far as realistic expectations. For those that don’t care to listen to the whole podcast, the highlights as far as trades:

Kuzma + 22 for Ingles
Kuzma + THT for Hield and Damian Jones
Kuzma + KCP + McKinnie + 22 for Kemba
Kuzma + THT for Davis Bertans
THT + 22 for Anfernee Simons
Kuzma + 22 for Malcolm Brogdon
Kuzma + 22 for Myles Turner
KCP + 2 future 2nds for Terrance Ross
Malik Beasley for 22

Except for the Kemba trade which is a hell to the naw, the other 6 of the first 7 aren’t that bad. Additionally, the Lakers would get to hang on to KCP in most of those which is a guy I know a lot of people want to keep. I was meh on the last 2, but I thought I’d throw them in there anyway. I think of all of those I like the Brogdon one best.

[Pythagoras]

Your opinion, after that comment, means less than squat. Save yourself the embarrassment. Stop posting.

You just posted that Kuz, Gasol, and Schroeder can net a star and you’re telling me to sop embarrassing myself… K

Did I? Quotes?

I don't think any of of our role players can net a star, unless we're calling bad salary Wall/Kemba/Love/maybe Ben Simmons stars now.

You just said continuity & chemistry mean squat around AD+Bron. That is the dumbest take ever.

Continuity and chemistry mean so much yet AD and Lebron steamrolled the league in their first year together. It means so much yet the Lakers massively revamped the roster, and without a propper offseason to establish “continuity and chemistry” AD and Lebron had this team sitting at 21-6 before injuries. It means so much yet despite injuries all season and not having a chance to play to together and establish “continuity and chemistry” AD and Lebron had this team up 2-1 against the likely eventual WC champs. Try paying attention to what’s going on on the court instead of throwing out tired cliches.

[Up-And-Coming]

Here’s an interesting podcast on Lakers trade options.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/trade-szn/id1532574610?i=1000526889126

This is interesting because they contacted other people who cover the teams of the trade proposals and the people covering agreed to these. Doesn’t mean that the org would too, but I do think it sets a decent baselines far as realistic expectations. For those that don’t care to listen to the whole podcast, the highlights as far as trades:

Kuzma + 22 for Ingles Yes. Ingles is a good player and great fit.
Kuzma + THT for Hield and Damian Jones Very tempting as Hield and Jones are good fits.
Kuzma + KCP + McKinnie + 22 for Kemba No, I wouldn't.
Kuzma + THT for Davis Bertans No, I probably wouldn't. Swap THT for #22 and I'd agree though.
THT + 22 for Anfernee Simons I'll pass
Kuzma + 22 for Malcolm Brogdon Absolutely. I'd do this yesterday.
Kuzma + 22 for Myles Turner Absolutely.
KCP + 2 future 2nds for Terrance Ross I wouldn't. KCP is a better shooter.
Malik Beasley for 22 Absolutely. Lebron will watch over Malik. How does it work just for the #22? Salaries don't match

Except for the Kemba trade which is a hell to the naw, the other 6 of the first 7 aren’t that bad. Additionally, the Lakers would get to hang on to KCP in most of those which is a guy I know a lot of people want to keep. I was meh on the last 2, but I thought I’d throw them in there anyway. I think of all of those I like the Brogdon one best.

Some very appealing deals, especially the Brogdon one. I personally would pass on a few of them, but all-in-all it's cool to see some potential trades.

[Pythagoras]

Here’s an interesting podcast on Lakers trade options.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/trade-szn/id1532574610?i=1000526889126

This is interesting because they contacted other people who cover the teams of the trade proposals and the people covering agreed to these. Doesn’t mean that the org would too, but I do think it sets a decent baselines far as realistic expectations. For those that don’t care to listen to the whole podcast, the highlights as far as trades:

Kuzma + 22 for Ingles Yes. Ingles is a good player and great fit.
Kuzma + THT for Hield and Damian Jones Very tempting as Hield and Jones are good fits.
Kuzma + KCP + McKinnie + 22 for Kemba No, I wouldn't.
Kuzma + THT for Davis Bertans No, I probably wouldn't. Swap THT for #22 and I'd agree though.
THT + 22 for Anfernee Simons I'll pass
Kuzma + 22 for Malcolm Brogdon Absolutely. I'd do this yesterday.
Kuzma + 22 for Myles Turner Absolutely.
KCP + 2 future 2nds for Terrance Ross I wouldn't. KCP is a better shooter.
Malik Beasley for 22 Absolutely. Lebron will watch over Malik. How does it work just for the #22? Salaries don't match

Except for the Kemba trade which is a hell to the naw, the other 6 of the first 7 aren’t that bad. Additionally, the Lakers would get to hang on to KCP in most of those which is a guy I know a lot of people want to keep. I was meh on the last 2, but I thought I’d throw them in there anyway. I think of all of those I like the Brogdon one best.

Some very appealing deals, especially the Brogdon one. I personally would pass on a few of them, but all-in-all it's cool to see some potential trades.

Good catch on the Beasley trade, maybe they mentioned a player as well and I didn’t catch it.

[lazybatman]

Here’s an interesting podcast on Lakers trade options.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/trade-szn/id1532574610?i=1000526889126

This is interesting because they contacted other people who cover the teams of the trade proposals and the people covering agreed to these. Doesn’t mean that the org would too, but I do think it sets a decent baselines far as realistic expectations. For those that don’t care to listen to the whole podcast, the highlights as far as trades:

Kuzma + 22 for Ingles Yes. Ingles is a good player and great fit.
Kuzma + THT for Hield and Damian Jones Very tempting as Hield and Jones are good fits.
Kuzma + KCP + McKinnie + 22 for Kemba No, I wouldn't.
Kuzma + THT for Davis Bertans No, I probably wouldn't. Swap THT for #22 and I'd agree though.
THT + 22 for Anfernee Simons I'll pass
Kuzma + 22 for Malcolm Brogdon Absolutely. I'd do this yesterday.
Kuzma + 22 for Myles Turner Absolutely.
KCP + 2 future 2nds for Terrance Ross I wouldn't. KCP is a better shooter.
Malik Beasley for 22 Absolutely. Lebron will watch over Malik. How does it work just for the #22? Salaries don't match

Except for the Kemba trade which is a hell to the naw, the other 6 of the first 7 aren’t that bad. Additionally, the Lakers would get to hang on to KCP in most of those which is a guy I know a lot of people want to keep. I was meh on the last 2, but I thought I’d throw them in there anyway. I think of all of those I like the Brogdon one best.

Some very appealing deals, especially the Brogdon one. I personally would pass on a few of them, but all-in-all it's cool to see some potential trades.

Good catch on the Beasley trade, maybe they mentioned a player as well and I didn’t catch it.

This guy Tim(Cranjis Basketball) is the creator of the Lebron Metric. Former agent. Fantastic pod always. I had not heard the last 2. Just caught up. I'd even blindly buy into his pick for our assistant coach position - David Adelman too. Guy's just a genius.

I so wish this POD somehow makes it to Rob's ears. Just pure gold.

I've been on the Myles + Brogdon train since before the trade deadline. Be the perfect trade for us to fill our holes on playmaking and give us a front court combo for the next decade maybe.. okay 5-7 years at the very least

Myles -
- 35% 3fg shooter - can space the floor for AD+Bron
- NBA Leader - Blocks and shots contested in the paint - that also means he's rarely in position to box out for the easy rebounds that guys like Drummond live for. Make that tradeoff 7 days a week. We will just have to rebound by committee around him, and reap the benefits of his ridiculous rim protection.
- DPOY candidate before Pacers started cutting his minutes for Sabonis
- Athletic rim runner too, so we don't have to choose between Gasol and Dwight/McGee. I'd try to keep Gasol as his sub
- Way more versatile big than Rudy on offense & defense. Would never be a liability on any end in any situation. Getting him @ a 18m/2Y contract would be an absolute steal
- IMO he is by far the best defensive big in the league combined with an above average offensive talent.

Brogdon-
- 50-40-90 member
- High IQ combo guard, who should function really well around Bron-Caruso-AD-Gasol. I don't want to thrust all the ball handling responsibilities upon him, like we did with Schroeder, cos 2-3 ball handlers keeps the defense guessing and neither of them like to be full time PGs.
- Above average defender. Not as tenacious on ball as Dennis, but not as clueless as Dennis on off ball rotations either
- Own and Team playmaking - Fantastic clutch shot creator and maker in iso. Makes savy reads to set others up around him - I kinda see him as the Thunder Harden.

I do believe Carlisle's hiring complicates these players' availability & trade value a hell of a lot, unless they have decided to go for a rebuild.

The package I'd offer would be -
Dennis + Trez + 2021 1st + 2024, 25 2nds

If Trez doesn't re-sign, Kuz. If Dennis doesn't re-sign, THT+KCP. I won't envy Rob's job in that case, trying to fill the entire roster up with no salary left. We'd only have AD+Bron, Myles+Brogdon, AC, Kinnie(till November) on the books. Wes, Keiff, Gasol, Dud, MacLemore all fluid situations.

This is extremely realistic, unlike those dreamy Dame/Lavine/Steph trades getting thrown around.

[TyCobb]

I would love that trade.

[Pythagoras]

Some very appealing deals, especially the Brogdon one. I personally would pass on a few of them, but all-in-all it's cool to see some potential trades.

Good catch on the Beasley trade, maybe they mentioned a player as well and I didn’t catch it.

This guy Tim(Cranjis Basketball) is the creator of the Lebron Metric. Former agent. Fantastic pod always. I had not heard the last 2. Just caught up. I'd even blindly buy into his pick for our assistant coach position - David Adelman too. Guy's just a genius.

I so wish this POD somehow makes it to Rob's ears. Just pure gold.

I've been on the Myles + Brogdon train since before the trade deadline. Be the perfect trade for us to fill our holes on playmaking and give us a front court combo for the next decade maybe.. okay 5-7 years at the very least

Myles -
- 35% 3fg shooter - can space the floor for AD+Bron
- NBA Leader - Blocks and shots contested in the paint - that also means he's rarely in position to box out for the easy rebounds that guys like Drummond live for. Make that tradeoff 7 days a week. We will just have to rebound by committee around him, and reap the benefits of his ridiculous rim protection.
- DPOY candidate before Pacers started cutting his minutes for Sabonis
- Athletic rim runner too, so we don't have to choose between Gasol and Dwight/McGee. I'd try to keep Gasol as his sub
- Way more versatile big than Rudy on offense & defense. Would never be a liability on any end in any situation. Getting him @ a 18m/2Y contract would be an absolute steal
- IMO he is by far the best defensive big in the league combined with an above average offensive talent.

Brogdon-
- 50-40-90 member
- High IQ combo guard, who should function really well around Bron-Caruso-AD-Gasol. I don't want to thrust upon all the ball handling responsibilities on him, like we did with Schroeder, cos 2-3 ball handlers keeps the defense guessing and neither of them like to be full time PGs.
- Above average defender. Not as tenacious on ball as Dennis, but not as clueless as Dennis on off ball rotations either
- Own and Team playmaking - Fantastic clutch shot creator and maker in iso. Makes savy reads to set others up around him - I kinda see him as the Thunder Harden.

I do believe Carlisle's hiring complicates these players' availability & trade value a hell of a lot, unless they have decided to go for a rebuild.

The package I'd offer would be -
Dennis + Trez + 2021 1st + 2024, 25 2nds

If Trez doesn't re-sign, Kuz. If Dennis doesn't re-sign, THT+KCP. I won't envy Rob's job in that case, trying to fill the entire roster up with no salary left. We'd only have AD+Bron, Myles+Brogdon, AC, Kinnie(till November) on the books. Wes, Keiff, Gasol, Dud, MacLemore all fluid situations.

This is extremely realistic, unlike those dreamy Dame/Lavine/Steph trades getting thrown around.

I think Wes, Morris, Gasol, and MacLemore all plan to be back if the Lakers will have them.

In any event a starting lineup of:

Turner/AD/Lebron/Caruso/Brogdon

Would be one of most talented and balanced starting lineups I’ve ever seen. Even filling out the roster with vet min ring chasers, that team should be the favorite if healthy.

[lazybatman]

I think Wes, Morris, Gasol, and MacLemore all plan to be back if the Lakers will have them.

Wes, Morris giving up money to be here. And there's talks that Gasol might retire.

In any event a starting lineup of:

Turner/AD/Lebron/Caruso/Brogdon

Would be one of most talented and balanced starting lineups I’ve ever seen. Even filling out the roster with vet min ring chasers, that team should be the favorite if healthy.

Agree. That lineup is indeed pretty special, but I can't honestly say that a 10 man vet minimum bench isn't worrisome. We do have the 5.8 mil MLE, for what it's worth. But losing Dennis & Trez for nothing could be a massive blow.

[BEazy]

I've been wanting Brogdon in purple and gold for a while. While I do think adding Turner would make the team more difficult to guard, I don't think we need to spend assets on him. We can easily get Dwight or JaVale back. I don't think we will spend a lot of money on a C anyway.

What needs to be addressed this season is the shooting. We have enough defense we really need some offense especially when AD, LBJ, or both are on the bench resting.

[ROballer]

People need to know the CBA rules before throwing unnecessary **** to the wall and hope it's sticks.


Schroder and THT are FREE AGENTS.

If you do sign and trades with anyone, you CANNOT combine the S&T player with anyone else on the roster in a package.

So no Schroder/THT + Kuzma/KCT/Gasol or any kind of variation like that. It's only Schroder or THT BY THEMSELVEZ if you want to make a deal.

You can only include them in trades with somebody else after 6 months since they signed their deal.

Teams will be interested in THT, not with Schroder. The player has to agree to do a S&T, meaning they have to agree to the salary first and the team they're being sent to second. Schroder clearly wants the 4 year at least 80 mil deal, no team will want him on their roster with that baggage, especially giving out assets in return.


Harrell is opting out so he has no business being mentioned anywhere.


The only tradable pieces we have are Kuzma, KCP, Gasol, McKinnie and the pick. For this summer. If you want to wait 6 more months, every FA we sign becomes available as well.

[tamaraw08]

I think Wes, Morris, Gasol, and MacLemore all plan to be back if the Lakers will have them.

Wes, Morris giving up money to be here. And there's talks that Gasol might retire.

In any event a starting lineup of:

Turner/AD/Lebron/Caruso/Brogdon

Would be one of most talented and balanced starting lineups I’ve ever seen. Even filling out the roster with vet min ring chasers, that team should be the favorite if healthy.

Agree. That lineup is indeed pretty special, but I can't honestly say that a 10 man vet minimum bench isn't worrisome. We do have the 5.8 mil MLE, for what it's worth. But losing Dennis & Trez for nothing could be a massive blow.

Cuban and other owners will surely throw a fit and demand Silver to reject the trade for “basketball reasons” and I dont blame them.
Getting Brogdon alone is already a major haul but acquiring both stars, at their peak?

[lazybatman]

People need to know the CBA rules before throwing unnecessary **** to the wall and hope it's sticks.


Schroder and THT are FREE AGENTS.

If you do sign and trades with anyone, you CANNOT combine the S&T player with anyone else on the roster in a package.

So no Schroder/THT + Kuzma/KCT/Gasol or any kind of variation like that. It's only Schroder or THT BY THEMSELVEZ if you want to make a deal.

You can only include them in trades with somebody else after 6 months since they signed their deal.

Teams will be interested in THT, not with Schroder. The player has to agree to do a S&T, meaning they have to agree to the salary first and the team they're being sent to second. Schroder clearly wants the 4 year at least 80 mil deal, no team will want him on their roster with that baggage, especially giving out assets in return.


Harrell is opting out so he has no business being mentioned anywhere.


The only tradable pieces we have are Kuzma, KCP, Gasol, McKinnie and the pick. For this summer. If you want to wait 6 more months, every FA we sign becomes available as well.

Well, that is true regarding the trade restrictions unfortunately.

Schroeder+Trez are UFAs. THT+AC - RFAs, but we can't match anymore than 11m if THT were to get another bigger offer, cos of our CAP situation. Trez is farming offers right now, but I wouldn't entirely rule out him not finding a 10m deal anywhere and re-signing with us.

So technically a Dennis S&T to Pacers, if the Pacers & Dennis agree for either Myles/Brogdon. And a straight up trade for the other with our assets possible.

[ROballer]

And Dennis needs to want to go to the Pacers(hypothetically speaking ofc, the Pacers would say no for either one of Turner/Brogdon).
It's not as simple as a regular trade, in which a player has no power.

See the Bogdanovic botched deal with Milwaukee. That's the perfect example of a sign and trade deal gone wrong because the player didn't want to go there.

The original agreement as reported by ESPN involved a sign-and-trade with the Kings inking Bogdanovic to a new deal and sending the guard to the Bucks for Donte DiVincenzo, D.J. Wilson and Ersan Ilyasova. However, according to The Athletic's report, Bogdanovic never agreed to join the Bucks which has become a "major issue."