The inevitable Kwame sucks thread

[semi-sentient]

*sigh*

So be it. Keep booing him. I'm sure it'll do wonders for our team while Bynum is out.

Great strategy.

[Sedale Threatt]

More coddling for Kwame.

Instead of putting the blame where it belongs -- with the player -- it'll be the fans' fault if he bumbles his way through the next two months.

Again, the solution is simple. Don't suck. Not, be good, or even be average. Just don't suck.

If he can't even manage that, his problems go way beyond anything the fans are capable of affecting.

[semi-sentient]

I don't mind the team sticking up for him one bit. Frankly, I expect it. But if we all stayed home, who pays those massive salaries? A simple solution would be for him not to suck. I don't even expect him to be average any more. Just don't sabotage our chances at winning. At $9 million per, I don't think that's too much to ask.

That's quite understandable. Everyone knows that Kwame is overpaid and that he doesn't have the same impact that Bynum does, but it's getting a bit ridiculous around here to blame him for the way the team is playing. Several players are struggling right now, not just Kwame, so this is a team chemistry issue which is a result of Bynum being injured.

This type of nonsense happens every single time we struggle a little. If it's not Kwame, it's Odom or Walton or Sasha or someone else, and I've spent plenty of time defending them all (well, except for Sasha). The bottom line is this: we are stuck with Kwame as our starter until Bynum returns. We KNOW that he needs to gain confidence in order to be productive. So what do we do? We make it even worse by booing him.

I understand that these guys are getting paid millions to perform and should be tough, but that doesn't mean we should add insult to injury for our own amusement. It is what it is, and the fans are not helping one bit by booing one of their own every time he touches the ball. Please tell me what possible good comes out of that other than the satisfaction of booing a guy who hasn't lived up to his potential? Does it help the team in any way?

And for the record, I don't feel sorry for Kwame. I don't feel sorry for any NBA player who gets to go home after a bad game and enjoy their millions. Like I said though, booing him constantly is NOT going to help the situation... at all.

[semi-sentient]

More coddling for Kwame.

Instead of putting the blame where it belongs -- with the player -- it'll be the fans' fault if he bumbles his way through the next two months.

Again, the solution is simple. Don't suck. Not, be good, or even be average. Just don't suck.

If he can't even manage that, his problems go way beyond anything the fans are capable of affecting.

Coddling my ass. Answer my questions above and tell me what good it does to boo one of your own when you know they are going to be starting for the next couple of months.

[Cboywhitey]

It has been a long time since I have posted on here. But after last night I have to.

I have never been more disappointed to call myself a laker fan. Actually I've never been disappointed until last night. I have never seen anything like that before. Booing every time kwame touched the ball was a disgrace. Chants of kwame sucks? That is a disgrace!

Some of you are saying he is costing us games. Well last night I am 100 percent sure the booing fans cost us the game! It was pure stupidity. We gave the suns the home court advantage as soon as the booing started. When did the game get out of hand? When the booing happened! Kobe and others on the court made it a point to pass up their offense to feed kwame the ball. The result? Kwame forcing turnovers. He rushed everything from that point on. Come on the guy is coming back from an injury. Let's not freak out because he missed a dunk. He was as some of you are saying being a grown-ass man. Playing hard despite his knee and ankle being weak. He continued to play the game after the boos. He didn't hang his head. He played to win. He always plays to win on a team 90 percent of fans wish he was not on. He's not an all star and yes he is overpaid. Complaining that you pay 5000 dollars for a seat to watch kwame miss dunks is just lame. You paid for that ticket knowing kwame is on this team. Don't complain about it. Don't pay for a bottled water and then complain because it doesn't taste like a soda. I paid for this water I should be able to complain if it tastes like water all I want. Sure but it kind of makes you insane. Accept reality. He is on this team. You paid to watch him play. Think about it. We are asking him to fill in the best he can till bynum is back. Booing is doing nothing to help our situation. It's broken human communication to think booing is a good way to get him to do better. Frustration boiling over is a weakness. Don't say we have been putting up with him for 3 years and it just boiled over. Weakness. The same weakness you want to bash him for. Be a grown man and control your frustration. Let it boil over when it is beneficial. It's just sad. I don't feel sorry for kwame. I don't care about him emotionally. I just care about the lakers winning games. And last night...the booing idiots that kobe said should have stayed home should have stayed home and we would be at win number 8 and 3-0 over the suns. That was the turning point in the game. That is when we lost the game. Not because kwame sucks. Because our own fans took our Lakers out of our game plan and shook one of our key players now that bynum is out. Beyond that they pissed off the other players like kobe and odom on the floor. Causing them to force feed him to shut the crowd up. Our guys were playing frustrated ball. The only laker good at playing frustrated is kobe. Pissing off the home team is not a smart move.

I don't care what you feel about this guy. You want to hate him hate him. But when your booing causes us to lose control of a game and to ultimately cost us the game! That is just a disgrace as a laker fan. To call yourself a Laker fan but to help in a home loss???

We lost by 8. Go back and watch the change in the game once the booing started. Then tell me the booing didn't have anything to do with the loss.

Like I said. I've never seen a Laker crowd cost us a game before. Last night was a first for me.

[TonyMontana]

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Coddling my ass. Answer my questions above and tell me what good it does to boo one of your own when you know they are going to be starting for the next couple of months.

S.S think about it , you pay Ks of dollars to watch your favorite team play , your playing the team you hate and your playing for a championship , cause thats our goal RIGHT ?
Were in the first place , and the team were playing is in second.
The game is on the line , and your center that you traded away C.B for , is missing open layups and Dunks or making turnovers every time he touches the ball when the game is on the line ...............

What do you do , stand up and cheer for him ?

Hell No , your going to boo his A55 , why cause he SUKS .

I mean if Im playing ball with someone like that , I would be on his A55 too.
I would let him know he's messing up .
Yes I would support him to a LIMIT , but Dam , Kwame is past support or help .
He suks , the sooner we realize that and trade his sorry a55 the sooner this team can get back on track on playing for the title .

We cant win with Kwame , L.O , or Luke .

These guys are not contributors to our success .

How soon are we going to realize that ?

We cant win with these three guys . We cant .

[semi-sentient]

Think about it. We are asking him to fill in the best he can till bynum is back. Booing is doing nothing to help our situation.

Thank you.

I don't care about him emotionally. I just care about the lakers winning games.

Getting people around here to understand that is the real challenge.

[Sedale Threatt]

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Coddling my ass. Answer my questions above and tell me what good it does to boo one of your own when you know they are going to be starting for the next couple of months.

Maybe it won't help at all.

But I'll say it again -- as a fan, I absolutely, positively refuse to take responsibility for the performance of a professional athlete who makes millions of dollars per year.

That is solely on him.

And if Kwame can't even muster up enough poise and professionalism to be merely adequate, and he's going to go into the tank because -- horror of all horrors -- he got booed at home, he's got problems that go way beyond anything the fans have any control over.

Forget about all the knee-jerkers on the board. As you said, it's to be expected that Player X is going to be vilified as soon as he has a bad game. So forget that. And please understand this -- I'm not blaming last night solely on him. As usual, there's enough blame to go around, even though he was reason #1 with a bullet.

Just think about how unusual last night was. It's not like it's a regular thing for Laker players to get booed. We've got one of the most docile home crowds, and some of the most supportive fans, in the NBA. Think about what it took -- all the bungled passes, all the missed layups, all the disappearing acts -- for them to finally express their discontent.

Frankly, it was long overdue.

I thought I even saw a little spark there, where he tried to muscle in for a layup to get the fans off his back. Kwame being Kwame, he missed. But it's one of the few times I've ever seen him show a spark in the face of adversity. So maybe getting booed by the home crowd wasn't such a bad thing. Who knows -- maybe it'll light a fire under his ass.

Lord knows patting him on the back hasn't done a damn thing.

[RJM]

Kwame is truly a liability on the floor. I think we all gave him the benefit of the doubt many times, but tonight he had to really step up and look what he does. Horrible. Kwame can f$%^ up a cup of coffee. Seriously.

Kwame = The New Smush

as for Mihm, this guy is worthless, he is so brittle and fragile. His career is done with the Lakers. Please no more injury prone guys.

I totally agree....we seriously need to replace Kwame with Chris Webber and a rebuilt Wayne Simien. Those guys know how to use their bodies.

[Arroyo30]

MIHM COME BACK PLEASE WE CANT LIVE WITHOUT YOU.

Please just trade Kwame. It's just sad watching this crap. The guy is such a disaster.

kwame should be playing in the d-league not in the nba. this guy sucks.

[RJM]

I loved how the Laker fans showed how real they were last night. Their boos were legitimate as Kwame just wouldn't stop screwing up. It was entertaining actually lol

[RJM]

Michael was right when he called Kwame all those names back when he was in Washington.

[semi-sentient]

We cant win with Kwame , L.O , or Luke .

Yes, we can win with them, and we have. What we can't win with is a team that is not at full strength. You take away one of the major reasons why we were playing so well and it shouldn't be a big surprise that we'd stuggle a little.

He suks , the sooner we realize that and trade his sorry a55 the sooner this team can get back on track on playing for the title.

So by trading Kwame and not having Bynum we're going to get back on track and start playing the way we did prior to the injury? Please tell me who is available right now that we could trade Kwame for that would give us what Bynum gave us.

We are not going to get fully back on track until Bynum returns. That's just the way it is.

If Kobe goes down with injury and Vujacic fills in for him, are we going to start booing him non-stop because he isn't performing like Kobe? Come on now.

and your center that you traded away C.B for

We're back to this again? You want to boo someone then boo Phil Jackson for making that move, since he endorsed it.

[Cboywhitey]

[quote="Sedale Threatt"]But I'll say it again -- as a fan, I absolutely, positively [b]refuse [/b]to take responsibility for the performance of a professional athlete who makes millions of dollars per year.[/quote]

Go back and watch the booing portion of the game. Now that frustration has died down a bit I'm sure you will see it differently. It was not just Kwame's performance that took a hit from the booing. The whole team broke the game plan. How many times have you seen the lakers come down only to avoid their offense and dump it into kwame back to back to back? Never. Oh wait last night...during the booing that was "letting kwame know he needs to step it up."

So you can deny the booing had an impact but to me that is just refusing reality. Yes booing did not make kwame miss those shots and make those turn overs. However booing him caused kobe and others to dump the ball off to him over and over again. Booing caused him to force those shots. So...yes booing did have an impact. Yes he could have made those shots. But we all know it's kwame. Did we really think putting the ball in his hands more would be better? Deny it all you want. It doesn't change reality.

So I would not only say that it did not help but that booing backfired. If you think about it. Nobody wanted him shooting the ball...yet every time the crowd booed it made the rest of the squad dump the ball off to him next time down the floor. That sounds like the complete opposite of what everyone booing wanted...right?

[Danny Darko]

I think that it's kinda working out fine...
What needs to happen is for the Lakers to practice making Kwame look like a stud to help him out. Next game he comes out determined and his teammates make it easy and all the sudden everybody says trial by fire.

or maybe he comes out he drops 10 passes in a row and the crowd gets really ugly again and management knows to ship him out asap.

I hear you guys who say don't boo him and last game it obviously made a game worse vs a team we should have been clawing at for every point and stop. I also here that if it's a trend it's a sick one that needs to be stopped with a huge pr campaign driven by the fans themselves. but...

Kwame earned it. No denying it. Mitch needed to hear it(also did anyone else notice it looked like mitch was either wearing lipstick or eating otter pops?)

and my original point: this could have a fairytale good vibe ending if Home Boy rallies. People will cheer him just as hard if he rallies.

lets hope
that we get Chris Webber

[TonyMontana]

It has been a long time since I have posted on here.

I guess just like you havent posted on here for a long time , you probably havent been watching the Lakers play for a long time too , since this isnt something new .
Its been going on for 4 years Bra , so before you insult peps on here for expecting a DECENT game from Kwame , maybe you should watch him play more and then decide to come on here and insult me and whoever else you have in mind .

Kwame suks and he has suked the day he put on an NBA jersey .

We traded away Butler for his Kwame's wideopen layup , dunk missing A55 .

Nothing can cure his inability to play a simple game of basketball , which for a guy who is 6.11 and weights 270 pounds that is underneath a basket should be an easy task , RIGHT ?

Your bringing up your example of your bottled water .

Were paying 9 Million for that worthless bottled water , not 5 bucks .

As far as the fans booing Kwame , I applud them .
Now if Kwame played Well then he would get applaud too , but since he SUKD , then he got what he deserved .

When are some of you guys going to realize , were not the Memphis Grizzles , or the Nets , or any other mediocre team thats out there .

This is the Lakers , we have a tradition of WINNING , we were and we are a DYNASTY .

Were tired of clowns like L.O , Kwame , and Luke Walton playing like a bunch of KIDS at a park .

These guys suck and they are wasting away a huge chunk of our cap space.

L.O 13,524,000 Kwame 9,075,000 , Luke 4,000,000 , WORTHLESS .

We are paying over 26 million dollars to a bunch of worthless guys who cant play consistent basketball , night in night out , or they cant make a simple layup , or an open dunk .......
Better yet Luke for example , How many times did he get blocked last night ?

I forgot we have a bunch of sensitive guys on our team ?

My bad , and Im a bad fan cause Im not sending Kwame a " Dont worry about it BIG GUY " Hopefully next time you can make those open DUNKS and Layups " Oh by the way Im really really sorry about BOOING YOU LAST NIGHT " I drank some bad bottled water last night thinking it was SODA "

[The Laker Kid]

In Europe, a Soccer player can even GET KILLED by fans if they miss the goal. Kwame is VERY LUCKY he only got booed.

Sometimes, a "tough love" is necessary. The famous "ship his ass out" comment comes to mind.... well, Just look at the result. Who's laughing now?

And Kobe telling Laker fans to STAY HOME??? wow...

I hate to say it, but star24 and his Kwame comments are turning to Gold by the minute....

[Sedale Threatt]

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Go back and watch the booing portion of the game. Now that frustration has died down a bit I'm sure you will see it differently. It was not just Kwame's performance that took a hit from the booing. The whole team broke the game plan. How many times have you seen the lakers come down only to avoid their offense and dump it into kwame back to back to back? Never. Oh wait last night...during the booing that was "letting kwame know he needs to step it up."

So you can deny the booing had an impact but to me that is just refusing reality. Yes booing did not make kwame miss those shots and make those turn overs. However booing him caused kobe and others to dump the ball off to him over and over again. Booing caused him to force those shots. So...yes booing did have an impact. Yes he could have made those shots. But we all know it's kwame. Did we really think putting the ball in his hands more would be better? Deny it all you want. It doesn't change reality.

So I would not only say that it did not help but that booing backfired. If you think about it. Nobody wanted him shooting the ball...yet every time the crowd booed it made the rest of the squad dump the ball off to him next time down the floor. That sounds like the complete opposite of what everyone booing wanted...right?

All of that is 100 percent supposition on your part.

Certainly, it's not like we haven't seen Kwame miss layups before, or dribble off his foot. And frankly, if it did motivate Kwame to force up a few shots -- i.e., get aggressive and try to make something happen -- then it indeed did have the intended affect. I thought I saw a competitive spark there before he got benched for one of the few times in his career.

So like CC just said, maybe he'll finally realize what a slug he's been for the past three years and show a little bit of pride for once. I have my doubts, but we can hope, can't we?

Moreover, I'm definitely not going to buy your argument that booing Kwame cost us the game, and that the Lakers would have won last night if the fans had sat on their hands. You have absolutely no way of knowing what would have happened down the stretch. So sell that to somebody else.

Christ, it's like we took him out behind the arena and executed him or something. He got booed -- something that thousands of athletes in hundreds of arenas have had to deal with over the years.

He played like absolute garbage in a big game for the umpteenth time in his career, and the fans -- some of the most patient and loyal in the entire league -- let him have it.

So if that embarrasses you to be associated with the Lakers, I suggest you wait until the WNBA season starts up and watch the Sparks. Because again, I'm not going to feel guilty in the slightest for -- gasp! -- daring to demand that a player on my favorite team be competent.

Buy the ticket, take the ride.

[Sedale Threatt]

I think that it's kinda working out fine...
What needs to happen is for the Lakers to practice making Kwame look like a stud to help him out. Next game he comes out determined and his teammates make it easy and all the sudden everybody says trial by fire.

or maybe he comes out he drops 10 passes in a row and the crowd gets really ugly again and management knows to ship him out asap.

I hear you guys who say don't boo him and last game it obviously made a game worse vs a team we should have been clawing at for every point and stop. I also here that if it's a trend it's a sick one that needs to be stopped with a huge pr campaign driven by the fans themselves. but...

Kwame earned it. No denying it. Mitch needed to hear it(also did anyone else notice it looked like mitch was either wearing lipstick or eating otter pops?)

and my original point: this could have a fairytale good vibe ending if Home Boy rallies. People will cheer him just as hard if he rallies.

lets hope
that we get Chris Webber

On point. This is the simplest solution of all -- that Kwame sucks it up, quits being such a cotton-soft punk and puts in a decent night of basketball. That's all I ask.

[Mindflayer]

I'm glad the fans booed and it did not cost us the game. Kwame's, Luke's, and Crit's horrendous play cost us with KWame being the worse. Please don't give me this weak angle/knee nonsense. If that's still the case maybe this P*ssy should sit until he's fully healed. Hopefully, the booing will make him do just that. I would take a page out of Pheonix and start Odom at center like they did with Diaw when Amare was out. Mtich needs get on the phone and find a center not named Kwame berfore next game. Coddling his sorry a$$ has done nothing to improve his game. Unless you can hypnotize when to not be so mentally weak, nothing will help him.