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Post#401 » by Worst_to_First » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:05 pm

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Look at the players in the trade, the Lakers needed to make it a legal above the cap trade and Ingram's salary was a necessary part of the trade


From what I remember Lakers had the cap space that time to take on the additional salary that comes with AD.

The rationale for putting Ingram there instead of Kuz is to be able to create that max space in order to lure Kawhi in. Unfortunately that didn’t pay off but at least Rob was able to recover and sign guys like Danny Green etc.

Under a scenario where Kuz was included and BI was kept the effect would be you guys wouldn’t have signed Avery Bradley.

Am still rooting for you guys to get the chip this year but having a trio of LeBron, AD and BI would have made the Lakers unstoppable.



Yes. But that wasn’t an option. If, if, if. If Smash Parker played defense we wouldn’t have dumped him and we wouldn’t have signed MWP six years later...

And if Kuz played like he did last year, we’d be looking almost equally unbeatable now as if with BI. He’s by far the better solo player, impact player of the two. Especially defensively, if you watch that end. Kuzma has nothing on BI besides one thing: eye of the tiger killer instinct. Kuz can get very streaky and finish off a tight game. He’s clutch.

Look, I wanted to keep BI and Hart and LB and Kuz while adding AD. They asked for BI. And now the world outside Lakers fandom are realizing how great he is and, to boot, telling us how we should’ve kept BI.

Yay.


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Re: Around the NBA XI 

Post#402 » by Kilroy » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:07 pm

stan francisco wrote:
Worst_to_First wrote:
Dr Aki wrote:
Look at the players in the trade, the Lakers needed to make it a legal above the cap trade and Ingram's salary was a necessary part of the trade


From what I remember Lakers had the cap space that time to take on the additional salary that comes with AD.

The rationale for putting Ingram there instead of Kuz is to be able to create that max space in order to lure Kawhi in. Unfortunately that didn’t pay off but at least Rob was able to recover and sign guys like Danny Green etc.

Under a scenario where Kuz was included and BI was kept the effect would be you guys wouldn’t have signed Avery Bradley.

Am still rooting for you guys to get the chip this year but having a trio of LeBron, AD and BI would have made the Lakers unstoppable.



Yes. But that wasn’t an option. If, if, if. If Smash Parker played defense we wouldn’t have dumped him and we wouldn’t have signed MWP six years later...

And if Kuz played like he did last year, we’d be looking almost equally unbeatable now as if with BI. He’s by far the better solo player, impact player of the two. Especially defensively, if you watch that end. Kuzma has nothing on BI besides one thing: eye of the tiger killer instinct. Kuz can get very streaky and finish off a tight game. He’s clutch.

Look, I wanted to keep BI and Hart and LB and Kuz while adding AD. They asked for BI. And now the world outside Lakers fandom are realizing how great he is and, to boot, telling us how we should’ve kept BI.

Yay.



I mean... It's a moot discussion... We had to give up Ingram for Davis, I don't think Kuz was ever an option from NO's perspective. I think Ingram was basically the key talent they wanted...
But if you're going to have the discussion...

I don't think I've ever seen Kuz ever finish off a tight game... I've seen him hit a couple long 3s to finish a half, but I can't remember the last time we relied on him for points to close a game...
In fact, I'd say Kuz is more of a front-runner than he is clutch.

On the other hand Ingram's 49 included the final shot of regulation that sent them to overtime with .02 left. He basically also carried the scoring load in the last 2 quarters including OT... He's been the guy they look to for the last shot a lot this season and he delivers... Just like he did for us to close last season. Ingram's very clutch.

The only real debate between the 2 at this point is fit... Kuz at his very best, is arguably a better fit than Ingram.
That said, fans all season have been crying about us not having another playmaker, and Ingram is a far better option than Kuz or Green at this point, as a playmaker. In fact, I might be more comfortable with Ingram at Green's spot right now on the defensive end too because he's been good against elite wings. His length gives them fits..
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Post#403 » by Slink » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:34 pm

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Post#404 » by stan francisco » Sun Jan 19, 2020 12:50 am

Kilroy wrote:
stan francisco wrote:
Worst_to_First wrote:
From what I remember Lakers had the cap space that time to take on the additional salary that comes with AD.

The rationale for putting Ingram there instead of Kuz is to be able to create that max space in order to lure Kawhi in. Unfortunately that didn’t pay off but at least Rob was able to recover and sign guys like Danny Green etc.

Under a scenario where Kuz was included and BI was kept the effect would be you guys wouldn’t have signed Avery Bradley.

Am still rooting for you guys to get the chip this year but having a trio of LeBron, AD and BI would have made the Lakers unstoppable.



Yes. But that wasn’t an option. If, if, if. If Smash Parker played defense we wouldn’t have dumped him and we wouldn’t have signed MWP six years later...

And if Kuz played like he did last year, we’d be looking almost equally unbeatable now as if with BI. He’s by far the better solo player, impact player of the two. Especially defensively, if you watch that end. Kuzma has nothing on BI besides one thing: eye of the tiger killer instinct. Kuz can get very streaky and finish off a tight game. He’s clutch.

Look, I wanted to keep BI and Hart and LB and Kuz while adding AD. They asked for BI. And now the world outside Lakers fandom are realizing how great he is and, to boot, telling us how we should’ve kept BI.

Yay.



I mean... It's a moot discussion... We had to give up Ingram for Davis, I don't think Kuz was ever an option from NO's perspective. I think Ingram was basically the key talent they wanted...
But if you're going to have the discussion...

I don't think I've ever seen Kuz ever finish off a tight game... I've seen him hit a couple long 3s to finish a half, but I can't remember the last time we relied on him for points to close a game...
In fact, I'd say Kuz is more of a front-runner than he is clutch.

On the other hand Ingram's 49 included the final shot of regulation that sent them to overtime with .02 left. He basically also carried the scoring load in the last 2 quarters including OT... He's been the guy they look to for the last shot a lot this season and he delivers... Just like he did for us to close last season. Ingram's very clutch.

The only real debate between the 2 at this point is fit... Kuz at his very best, is arguably a better fit than Ingram.
That said, fans all season have been crying about us not having another playmaker, and Ingram is a far better option than Kuz or Green at this point, as a playmaker. In fact, I might be more comfortable with Ingram at Green's spot right now on the defensive end too because he's been good against elite wings. His length gives them fits..


Ingram is a future star. A unicorn. A beast. Because he’s elite on both sides of the ball. High % scoring, excellent man defense, solid ball handling and passing, enormous length, huge strides with every step, unguardable when he’s on. The ‘negatives’? Fragile frame, needs the ball in his hands to be effective which I think he’ll adapt to soon. Another negative, he’ll be a max player, which means he’ll have to be good enough to be the second best player on a championship team, or he won’t win rings because he’ll eat up the star pay from a second or third star behind Zion. He has to be all that, is expected to. Not the same for Kuz.

Kuz’ ceiling is as a third best player on a championship team. In my opinion. Less pressure, less expectations. He doesn’t really engage on defense. Kuz’ ceiling, in my opinion, is much lower than BI’s. But Kuz is arguably more clutch if we talk killer instinct mindset. Watch the 15-20 last games of last season. There’s perhaps no big game win buzzer beaters by Kuz yet because we’ve played no big games the last two years. But, in big MOMENTS, he rises up to the challenge and is not afraid nor unable to knock them down. He’s streaky and he’s cold blooded. During last season, he also seemed to play well off the ball with LeBron which is why I wasn’t all pissed that we got to keep him. This season so far? He’s underperformed (injury, preseason) and doesn’t seem like he feels a part of the team.

He needs a mindset adjustment away from his own stats, and focus on the team ball instead. Vogel should draw up a play or two for him before the season is over.
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Post#405 » by Beethoven » Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:17 pm

I find it very amusing that after we beat a top team , the general forum starts talking about how that team is not up to par this season for some reason and never was.
So essentially implying we still haven't beaten anyone of strength, meaning we just aren't elite just overrated due to teams we beat.
But they keep saying we have an easy schedule.
But that also implies that they deem us an elite team.
But they say no we aren't.
But eventually they'll say that outside of hobos and bux, our schedule is weak by nature.
But after we beat hobos and bux (we will ) theyll probably start saying we had ONLY an easy schedule throughout.
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Post#406 » by iamworthy » Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:36 am

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Post#407 » by Landsberger » Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:39 am

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The last 15 games look particularly easy. Utah and Toronto.... and that's about it for tough teams.
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Post#408 » by MAMBAEMD » Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:09 am

Memphis and Indiana are playing some great ball.
Us and those two teams are the hottest teams in the league.
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Post#409 » by tugs » Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:14 am

Don't sleep on Utah. Those guys are like the Spurs on steroids. I've never seen so many ball dominant players playing in a chaotic, organized manner. It's like anyone of them can torch you in any given night. Still need another big though, Gobert can't handle 48 minutes.
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Post#410 » by Slava » Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:41 am

Utah are what they always were, a diligent regular season team with one reliable scoring option in Mitchell. Conley seems to have found the transition from Gasol to Gobert as a pick and roll partner about as hard as juggling on a bike.
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Post#411 » by Slava » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:49 pm

I'm unreasonably excited about Kostas Antetokounmpo. Its G league competition but his ability to gather and finish in one motion along with the hereditary other worldly athleticism is obvious to see. Extremely high motor as well. There's no reason why he cannot be drawing back up center minutes as early as next season.

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Post#412 » by Sedale Threatt » Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:20 pm

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Not to be That Guy, but that's only for the Western Conference. Overall we're something like 8th or 9th. Which is still great. We've got the second-best record despite playing one of the tougher schedules so far, so unless we get a bunch of injuries or totally fall apart, we should be in really good shape for the top seed. (B-R has us at 93 pct.)

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Post#413 » by politm » Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:26 pm

The Pelicans have 15 3's made...at the break.
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Post#414 » by tugs » Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:59 am

Can't help but wonder if Harden had the Lou Williams smarts to attack and draw fouls and not settle for those fancy step back threes, he'd be more effective and I can tolerate his FT attempts.
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Post#415 » by Landsberger » Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:59 am

Houston coughed up a 16 point lead going into the 4th quarter and ended up losing by 5... -21 in the 4th!
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Post#416 » by tugs » Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:14 am

Not really a fan of 3pt centric offenses but if your name's Damian Lillard I'd be mad if you stop shooting
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Post#417 » by Kilroy » Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:05 am

Landsberger wrote:Houston coughed up a 16 point lead going into the 4th quarter and ended up losing by 5... -21 in the 4th!


MDA's ass is smoking right now... They need a couple trades heading into ASB... But if they keep losing, I'm guessing a coaching change is immanent.
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Post#418 » by Mamba Mentality » Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:42 pm

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Post#419 » by stan francisco » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:35 am

MDA is offense only. You can’t win that way. He’s proved it again. Who ... Oh yeah, NYK might be dumb enough to pick him up as GM/coach when he gets fired, but one would think nobody else would. Besides his whiny, arrogant demeanor, his coaching strategies suck, too. I wish him well but I think it’s time he retires. He always tries to play the game the wrong way, if you ask me.
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Post#420 » by ROballer » Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:51 am

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Crazy thing is just those 3 games(from this season)lowered his three point percentage by a whooping 3%. :lol: :lol:
That's a whole lot when you're shooting 13 3's a game.
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