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DanishLakerFan wrote:Butler is too much of a head case and his contract makes it impossible to make a deal that doesn't leave the roster thin.
Ayo Dosunmu for Knecht + JHS
Lonzo for Rui + Cam
Olynyk for Gabe + Hayes + 2nds.
Reaves - Christie - DFS - Lebron - AD
Lonzo - Ayo - Vanderbilt - Wood - Olynyk
WentzerWuver wrote:Raptors want a protected future 1st and JSH for Bruce Brown...would you do it?Up-And-Coming wrote:Pelinka can go several different ways with this. Sounds like we'll wait until the deadline to make our next move so that gives us a little over a month to evaluate the roster which should give Vanderbilt enough time to come back and see if he can cement his role on this team or recoup some trade value.
If they choose to trade for another wing/ball handler I think the top realistic options would be Bruce Brown Jr and Malcolm Brogdon. Both are from non-competitive Eastern Conference teams which we've been reported to be in trade discussions with in the past several seasons and both seem to be franchises more willing to work with the Lakers. Both contracts are also expiring which would give the front office even more flexibility in the offseason (DFS already reported to opt out according to Michael Scotto) and both shouldn't cost more than a protected 1st IF that (could just be 2nds/Swap).
Out of the 2 I'm more of an advocate for Bruce Brown Jr as I think he just provides more physicality and athletic point of attack defense which this team lacks but he might cost a little more especially considering Masai has been a little more stingy than Will Dawkins. Both are capable ball handlers and playmakers but Brogdon would add more shooting. If the Lakers go this route I expect them to try to wrap in a smaller salaried backup Center like Nick Richards or DayRon Sharpe (both also expiring) with a couple expiring minimum contracts instead of going after a mid-sized contract Center like Valanciunas, Robert Williams, Olynyk.
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I think Bruce wants to play for Lebron than rot in Canada.
... Let's hope for a full healthy recovery 
zuju wrote:Gabe & Wood/Hayes for Wendell Carter Junior
JHS & Wood for Nic Richards
JHS & Wood for Day'Ron Sharp
Assuming all three proposals could be agreed by the trade partner, which one / two do you want?
zuju wrote:Gabe & Wood/Hayes for Wendell Carter Junior
SlimShady83 wrote:zuju wrote:Gabe & Wood/Hayes for Wendell Carter Junior
Just took a look ... WCJ can't be traded until at least 4.6.25 past the deadline of Feb 6/7th
So only leaves Richards/Sharp, which both will cost srp's <> not coming from me coming from research youtube/google etc, It's all there.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/trade-machine/_/year/2024/team1/orl
zuju wrote:If that's the case, i would take on Nic Richards, a legit 7 footer who can rebound and protect the rim.
I'm so high on Kessler and yes I know all about Utah saying they won't trade him (they can always change minds) and also know about the pics SlimShady83 wrote:zuju wrote:If that's the case, i would take on Nic Richards, a legit 7 footer who can rebound and protect the rim.
Richards/Sharp ... But only If we can't get the Kessler deal done
zuju wrote:SlimShady83 wrote:zuju wrote:If that's the case, i would take on Nic Richards, a legit 7 footer who can rebound and protect the rim.
Richards/Sharp ... But only If we can't get the Kessler deal done
What's your highest price you are willing to offer for Kessler
It's not about what I want, there has been talks even since before the season between both Utah and Lakers real talks, not just rumors and even talks during the current trade season have been happening. The prices are high for Kessler because of Ainge and Ainge wants 2 FRP's for Kessler - I can't blame him, his a young defensive big who gives you reb blks and plays defense only 23 years old can be your center for the next 10 years (think Zubac but better) what not and help push AD to the 4 post Bron keeping him happy.
His had games where he gets 20pts, 10reb 2/4 blks agame now Imagine that along with AD
Take a look at his gamelogs especially vs Denver/Jokic - Yes Jokic destroys him and so he should his one of the greats, but Kessler holds his own.
The talks between the two teams have been stalling not because of the 2 pics, but all the protections and pick swaps that are included - I don't know too much about that stuff, not my area, I know a little but not much.
Alone by himself even I don't think Kessler Is worth 2 FRP's and I'm high as F#@$ on him
So let's say you get Kessler In a package deal with either, Collins, Sexton or even JC have been talked about as well. A trade would look like to get salary to work Rui will need to be included, JHS, Hayes or Wood
Rui, JHS, Wood OR Hayes along with 2 FRP's. You get a defensive big who can be back up while Bron still here, a consistent guard iN Sexton off the bench or start when INjuries and different matchups needed.
Bron retires after next year and Lakers SHOULD have enough cap space for another star to play with Kessler/AD/Max or Vando front line, with AR as a SG PG you can surely snag a star guard from the 2026 free agent list (take a look at It) SGA/Fox/Luka/YOung FVV are all FA In 2026 can easily see them leaving esp If they don't win with current teams and attracting them too La with a line up above I suggest with huge cap space - surly someone will come via FA and there won't be any need for a long painful rebuild which some people want Or a 35/6 year old Butler that will cost us the youth we have + pic that doesn't even guaratee Lakers a championship
Also because you will have Kessler while Bron Is here, you can have him coming off the bench but promise him starting role when Bron leaves, he will get tones of minutes and be able to rest AD or play along side him while giving Bron rest rotate around.
AD has stated he doesn't want to play the 5 24/7 and he needs help and Hayes/Koloko are not It. AD often ends up playing full 1st quarter and 3rd quarters at times and wonder why his always looking gassed playing through injuries atm, need bigs to rest him and what.
Some say Lakers don't need a big but that's hogwash, those who say that don't watch enough Lakers games and Hayes/Koloko are more 3rd string centers rather then backups
My dream line up POST BRON hopefully he retires next year OR takes less so Lakers can get a star player.
Starters: Kessler (24/5), AD 32/3), Max (23) or Vando (27), AR (28) along with one OF; SGA, Fox, Luka, Young, FVV tell me that's not a competive starting 5 with both Defense and offense and staying young with AD being your oldest
Bench: Sexton, Knecht, Vando or Max, Wood (hard to trade him because his Injured atm), fill out the rest with what ever you like.
I put ages there on what they will be post Bron roughly the ages, so AD will be the oldes at 32/3Do you prefer JHS or Reddish in the trade for Nic Richard or Sharp?
Hornets I don't think need a guard, they will probably ask for Hayes or Wood along with 2 srp's at least for Richards they've stated they want multiple srp's for him
Sharp I'm not sure what nets needs are they're just looking for FRP'S/SRP'S and cheap or short contracts they're rebuilding, JHS Is alongterm but It's on the cheap only like $3mil a season or something and his young so maybe him 2srp's but not sure.
The some poster who loves JSH and not trade him, the same pick who is a UDFA in every redraft while Cam Whitmore is taken in the top 10.SlimShady83 wrote:loveshaq007 wrote:I love Reaves.... but after this season we will have to resign him to 30/mil season contract..
is it time to consider, RUI, Vando, gabe, wood, and AR for butler, Jrich and love... if we have to do pics, We do ONE pick swap (top 10 protected) for one of their (top 20 protected) MAX.
Wow just wow
Knecht is an untouchable in my book as the team future SG. Max should be included instead. Besides neither one of them plus 2 frp will not get it done for Kessler with the Fleeced King as GM. I bet he will remain with the Jazz as part of their rebuild while Collins is the one that would be moved.SlimShady83 wrote:Post Bron
Starters: Kessler, AD, Max or Vando, AR, + star PG Or If you continue to use AR as a PG you can get a star SG In FA with all the Cap space Lakers should have post Bron - No need for a long painfull rebuild.
So that's my dream and wish list haha. I want stay young defensive and offense, competive and relevant In the NBA, I hate having to be out of playoff and not watching any Laker Ball due to the long playoffs, It's boring with no Lakers In playoffs haha.
Also some people/fans and youtube channels, think that even a Knecht with 1 or both for Kessler could be doable, I'm not sure about that though.
Sorry for the RED, thought easier to read In the quote
Peace.
WentzerWuver wrote:Knecht is an untouchable in my book as the team future SG. Max should be included instead. Besides neither one of them plus 2 frp will not get it done for Kessler with the Fleeced King as GM. I bet he will remain with the Jazz as part of their rebuild while Collins is the one that would be moved.SlimShady83 wrote:Post Bron
Starters: Kessler, AD, Max or Vando, AR, + star PG Or If you continue to use AR as a PG you can get a star SG In FA with all the Cap space Lakers should have post Bron - No need for a long painfull rebuild.
So that's my dream and wish list haha. I want stay young defensive and offense, competive and relevant In the NBA, I hate having to be out of playoff and not watching any Laker Ball due to the long playoffs, It's boring with no Lakers In playoffs haha.
Also some people/fans and youtube channels, think that even a Knecht with 1 or both for Kessler could be doable, I'm not sure about that though.
Sorry for the RED, thought easier to read In the quote
Peace.
WentzerWuver wrote:Post Bron
Trade AD for best possible package (hopefully simila to what Jazz got for Gobert).
Sorry SlimShady but you just don't know how to rebuild a team following the OKC model of success. Future picks are the answer, not retaining one superstar past their prime for nothing.SlimShady83 wrote:WentzerWuver wrote:Post Bron
Trade AD for best possible package (hopefully simila to what Jazz got for Gobert).
As I've said else where, I don't see Lakers trading AD, not unless AD wants out etc etc. I just don't see It happening, they'de ride It until the end with AD if they have to because his a superstar. But hey who knows what's going to happen Post Bron, It's def not going to happen while Bron Is on the team.
WentzerWuver wrote:Sorry SlimShady but you just don't know how to rebuild a team following the OKC model of success. Future picks are the answer, not retaining one superstar past their prime for nothing.SlimShady83 wrote:WentzerWuver wrote:Post Bron
Trade AD for best possible package (hopefully simila to what Jazz got for Gobert).
As I've said else where, I don't see Lakers trading AD, not unless AD wants out etc etc. I just don't see It happening, they'de ride It until the end with AD if they have to because his a superstar. But hey who knows what's going to happen Post Bron, It's def not going to happen while Bron Is on the team.
https://youtube.com/shorts/TZ-3s9nVkhA?si=VmDRsCaX9_pHJYKT
Happy Saturday.SlimShady83 wrote:WentzerWuver wrote:Sorry SlimShady but you just don't know how to rebuild a team following the OKC model of success. Future picks are the answer, not retaining one superstar past their prime for nothing.SlimShady83 wrote:
As I've said else where, I don't see Lakers trading AD, not unless AD wants out etc etc. I just don't see It happening, they'de ride It until the end with AD if they have to because his a superstar. But hey who knows what's going to happen Post Bron, It's def not going to happen while Bron Is on the team.
https://youtube.com/shorts/TZ-3s9nVkhA?si=VmDRsCaX9_pHJYKT
What? I know how a rebuild works! ... I'm saying Lakers not trading AD unless he asks for It. "I'm NOT looking to do a rebuild because I don't want It, which why I'm saying Lakers are keeping AD as they won't trade him again unless he asks for It
A Rebuild as I've stated else where Includes trading everyone AD/Bron the farm everyone for pics, I Know that. And I don't want that, that's the whole point of my dream/wish what ever you may call It - My goal Is to keep AD and your only star left over post Bron
Also Fun fact I just looked at AD's contract ... AD Is expiring this season ... Bron's Contract Is 1 more season
This means Lakers will have to give AD some sort of contract either longterm or short 2 year deal etc or lose him for nothing In the offseason yikes! Iguess they can trade him In the offseason, but not happening
None the less, It's late I'm headed out for the night
WentzerWuver wrote:2 plus 1 player option as incentive but without no trade clause. AD was injury prone and could start again due to age. Hopefully, he remain healthy until retirement. G'Night, SlimShady
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