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Post#441 » by Landsberger » Sat Mar 2, 2019 6:29 pm

milesfides wrote:Now everybody coming at Lebron about his lack of defense. Knives out.

We should have moved him before the narrative caught up to the facts. A month ago, some were still calling him the greatest player of all time defying age. Now? Universally regarded as too old, distracted, lazy, doesn't play defense, bad leader, hypocritical, a cancer. The narrative caught up - and now it may be too late.

This gives me no joy, I'd rather be proven wrong about him. This is really bad for the Lakers on so many levels.


Gives you no joy? You're straight up lying now. What you wrote is so far from the truth but if that's your take on him this thread is full of you taking joy in it when he's not playing great and weeks of gaps when he is.
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Post#442 » by SweetTouch » Sat Mar 2, 2019 6:31 pm

Lbj has been called a cancer , bad leader hypocritical since his second season in the league

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Post#443 » by milesfides » Sun Mar 3, 2019 1:57 pm

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Post#444 » by Slava » Sun Mar 3, 2019 2:10 pm

LeBron for SGA + Robinson and 2021 Miami 1st. LeBron gets to stay in LA, Lakers move on with the rebuild.
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Post#445 » by thebigbird » Sun Mar 3, 2019 3:35 pm

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Post#446 » by TyCobb » Sun Mar 3, 2019 3:58 pm

What's his usage? 99%?
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Post#447 » by Landsberger » Sun Mar 3, 2019 5:03 pm

The simple truth here is that the team does not complement his game. He's not changing at this point. He's able to do a lot of things so easily out there that you do take what he does for granted.

After sitting there last night and watching the sidelines and coaching staff my thoughts are that the team will be very different next year. It will have to be if we're going to take a step forward. A group centered on Ingram and Bron offensively with everyone else standing around isn't going anywhere. There is no good vibe at all about this group. Ingram is completely blank and emotionless and interacts with basically no one. Bron couldn't care less right now and it isn't because of off the court stuff.... you can see he's frustrated beyond words.

The leadership wanted LeBron. We have him. Now we must go and get a team that complements him and a coach he'll listen to.
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Post#448 » by Michael Lucky » Sun Mar 3, 2019 5:36 pm

Landsberger wrote:The simple truth here is that the team does not complement his game. He's not changing at this point. He's able to do a lot of things so easily out there that you do take what he does for granted.

After sitting there last night and watching the sidelines and coaching staff my thoughts are that the team will be very different next year. It will have to be if we're going to take a step forward. A group centered on Ingram and Bron offensively with everyone else standing around isn't going anywhere. There is no good vibe at all about this group. Ingram is completely blank and emotionless and interacts with basically no one. Bron couldn't care less right now and it isn't because of off the court stuff.... you can see he's frustrated beyond words.

The leadership wanted LeBron. We have him. Now we must go and get a team that complements him and a coach he'll listen to.


Why are you mentioning offensive chemistry when we are losing games to the suns due to our terrible defense. Our scoring efficiency is more than good enough to win games. We shouldnt need to score 130+ every night in order to make the playoffs.
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Post#449 » by thebigbird » Sun Mar 3, 2019 5:50 pm

TyCobb wrote:What's his usage? 99%?

His usage is lower than last year and the 5th lowest of his career.
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Post#450 » by SweetTouch » Sun Mar 3, 2019 5:51 pm

thebigbird wrote:
TyCobb wrote:What's his usage? 99%?

His usage is lower than last year and the 5th lowest of his career.



Lakers front office believes the ball is better in another players hands

Give the ball to rondo

They should all get fired.
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Post#451 » by thebigbird » Sun Mar 3, 2019 5:54 pm

Landsberger wrote:The simple truth here is that the team does not complement his game. He's not changing at this point. He's able to do a lot of things so easily out there that you do take what he does for granted.

After sitting there last night and watching the sidelines and coaching staff my thoughts are that the team will be very different next year. It will have to be if we're going to take a step forward. A group centered on Ingram and Bron offensively with everyone else standing around isn't going anywhere. There is no good vibe at all about this group. Ingram is completely blank and emotionless and interacts with basically no one. Bron couldn't care less right now and it isn't because of off the court stuff.... you can see he's frustrated beyond words.

The leadership wanted LeBron. We have him. Now we must go and get a team that complements him and a coach he'll listen to.

Yup. The roster construction was terrible. It was obviously from the start of the season that Magic screwed it up. Luke Walton has also been really bad as of late. Ty Lue isn't my favorite coach, but even he could coach circles around Walton. Lebron could be better too, but a lot of what you see is the result of putting the wrong pieces around him.
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Post#452 » by thebigbird » Sun Mar 3, 2019 5:59 pm

SweetTouch wrote:
thebigbird wrote:
TyCobb wrote:What's his usage? 99%?

His usage is lower than last year and the 5th lowest of his career.



Lakers front office believes the ball is better in another players hands

Give the ball to rondo

They should all get fired.

I would absolutely be on board with firing everyone in the front office. You have one of the best playmakers in the NBA. Why would they think it's a good idea to take the ball out of his hands and put the ball in inferior playmakers' hands who can't shoot. It's completely illogical.
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Post#453 » by bb22 » Sun Mar 3, 2019 6:13 pm

It's an adjustment for Lebron, too. Very quickly, it was evident that this team wasn't competing for a championship. Something that he hasn't been a part of for like a decade or more.

And Lebron flat out FAILED at adjusting to the new environment.

That being said, the roster construction was laughable and the coaching staff (from top to bottom) is just inexperienced and not well suited to guide a team that relies heavily on its young talent. They show little motivation and adjustment throughout games, and most of that falls on the coaching staff and FO. They should have fired Luke and his staff mid season to try and spark things, and the fact that they didn't just shows that this season was planned to be a failure before it even started. Had me fooled.
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Post#454 » by Landsberger » Sun Mar 3, 2019 6:20 pm

Michael Lucky wrote:
Landsberger wrote:The simple truth here is that the team does not complement his game. He's not changing at this point. He's able to do a lot of things so easily out there that you do take what he does for granted.

After sitting there last night and watching the sidelines and coaching staff my thoughts are that the team will be very different next year. It will have to be if we're going to take a step forward. A group centered on Ingram and Bron offensively with everyone else standing around isn't going anywhere. There is no good vibe at all about this group. Ingram is completely blank and emotionless and interacts with basically no one. Bron couldn't care less right now and it isn't because of off the court stuff.... you can see he's frustrated beyond words.

The leadership wanted LeBron. We have him. Now we must go and get a team that complements him and a coach he'll listen to.


Why are you mentioning offensive chemistry when we are losing games to the suns due to our terrible defense. Our scoring efficiency is more than good enough to win games. We shouldnt need to score 130+ every night in order to make the playoffs.


Chemistry is chemistry. The team is out of sync. Offense and defense are tied at the hip. The offense last night down the stretch was not good while we got stops for example. We got a couple 3's and a couple iso drives. Not more than 2 passes per possession and no offensive set other than clearing a side. We got the stops to with the game late but couldn't convert offensively against a horrible defensive team that had lost its confidence.

This team was best when we were making 4-5 passes a possession and was getting out in transition. Since the break we've been focused offensively on a much different type of attack. Scoring has been there, like you said, but the type is the issue IMHO. Our approach of having forwards initiate the offense would be picked apart in a 7 game series.... defense or not.

The defense has not been good for a number of reasons. I think the league is understanding our players better now, there have been injuries and constant lineup changes. Defense, more than offense, is a product of a group working together. The idea of "individual" defense is really not the right way to look at it. The scheme, time in the scheme and trust of each other is what team defense is made.
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Post#455 » by danfantastk32 » Sun Mar 3, 2019 7:01 pm

Landsberger wrote:The leadership wanted LeBron. We have him. Now we must go and get a team that complements him and a coach he'll listen to.


The veteran picks we got for this team were pretty bad. That's on Magic/Rob. Not a good fit at all.

But they were supposed to be compliments to our 'young emerging core' that has really failed to realize...but for a nice game here or there. Our veterans were supposed to take some of the load off of Lebron, and slow the game down while the starters sat. Not be responsible for bailing the team out.

Clearly our young guys have failed to rise to any sort of "star" level. We got nothin. Nothin but a handful of role-guys capable of decent points from time to time, if you let them shoot a ton.

This is going to be a huge offseason. Magic / Rob have to get at LEAST 1 more star. Otherwise, I hate to say it...but we really might as well try and ship Lebron off. Apologize for the wasted season...and move on.

The guy gives us 27points 16assists, 9boards, and we got nothing else with which to beat the freakin suns? Give me a break. If I were Lebron, I'd be sick of this too.

New coach....new roster...and please get another star, or else.....new FO as well. This team has just floundered too long now.

Lebron, if nothing else.....has exposed how content with mediocrity (fans included...And hey...I was as huge on our youth as the next guy....I'm throwing myself in here too) the Lakers are right now.
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Post#456 » by SweetTouch » Sun Mar 3, 2019 10:25 pm

If James harden played here, Luke would have rondo handling the rock too
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Post#457 » by coldfish » Mon Mar 4, 2019 12:48 am

Outside fan piping in, I come in peace I swear.

If you go through Lebron's career, he has never done well with other players handling the ball a lot. From his first stint in Cleveland where things just got ugly with Dejuan Wagner and Larry Hughes to his struggles trying to figure out how to work with Wade (who eventually just figured out how to move around off ball).

The Cavs figured out that you simply have to surround Lebron with shooters. He hates to run a structured offense and he doesn't do particularly well off ball. It sucks for the Cavs from the standpoint that if you build a team around Lebron and then he leaves, it completely collapses. Regardless, Lebron does one thing (play a 4 spread offense with him as the ball handler) and he does it really well. When you try to get into a motion offense or something, he gets outright insubordinate.

A guy like Kyrie is the perfect star to have next to Lebron. When Lebron is in the game, Kyrie is a 3p threat. He can play off ball. When Lebron is on the bench, Kyrie can slide into the star role and run the offense.

Regardless, shame on Magic for not doing his homework on this. Rondo is pretty much the last player in the league you want playing with Lebron. If Magic figures this kind of stuff out, I think the Lakers have the assets to quickly build a contender with Lebron as a core piece. If they hold onto trying to win while developing a guy like Ball, its never going to work.

Side note: I think Lebron's hostile unwillingness to play a system offense really downgrades him as a historical player. He has been fortunate to have spent his entire career in a very weak eastern conference. Had he been drafted into a western conference team, I suspect his career narrative would be very different.
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Post#458 » by Pythagoras » Mon Mar 4, 2019 1:31 am

SweetTouch wrote:If James harden played here, Luke would have rondo handling the rock too


The fact that Rondo is even on the team is an issue in and of itself. That’s on Magic.
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Post#459 » by stan francisco » Mon Mar 4, 2019 2:28 am

I personally have no problem with Rondo what so ever. He’s not getting paid $38M. He can do load management for a bit. We need Lonzo back for defense.

If I were paid $38M a year, I would play my go-nads off on defense, and lead my group of players as if every day were my last.

Weak sauce yesterday, LeGroin.

I particularly can’t stand the fact that in every offensive possession after the opponent made LBJ work on defense; he gets tired and walks up the ball, bounces it for 20 seconds then jab fakes a drive then pulls up for a lazy BAD shot selection of a step back clanked three.
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Post#460 » by Sedale Threatt » Mon Mar 4, 2019 2:56 am

coldfish wrote:The Cavs figured out that you simply have to surround Lebron with shooters. He hates to run a structured offense and he doesn't do particularly well off ball. It sucks for the Cavs from the standpoint that if you build a team around Lebron and then he leaves, it completely collapses. Regardless, Lebron does one thing (play a 4 spread offense with him as the ball handler) and he does it really well. When you try to get into a motion offense or something, he gets outright insubordinate.


It sucks for the Cavs? He led them to their first championship. Whatever they're dealing with now, that's a payoff you make 100 times out of 100 times. Same thing with Miami. They tripled their championship total and made it to the Finals every season with him. Almost half the NBA has never had that kind of success either team enjoyed with him.

He's got his flaws, especially now that he's past peak. The passive-aggressiveness and pouty behavior gets old fast, especially during games. That's compounded by the fact he's prone to making James Harden-like lapses on defense at this point, down to basic lack of effort, which impacts everybody else's attitude.

We're not even a full season into this, and it's absolutely fair to question whether we've made a big mistake hitching our wagon to a player whose timeline we're not even remotely equipped to capitalize on. (And if we strike out this summer, which I've got a sinking feeling we will, it's probably not even a question anymore.)

But over the course of his entire career, LeBron's positives grossly outweigh the negatives. Point taken about being in the East. But be that as it may, you do even a half-way decent job building a team around him, and you're pretty much a lock to make the conference finals. You can count the number of players you can say that about on one hand.

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