2018 Trade Ideas thread

[loveshaq786]

Isiah, Deng, zubac, number 25...for John Collins?

[Spens1]

I reckon we should be cheeky, San Antonio does not have leverage in this scenario at all.

My take is we S&T Randle (on a decent, but not outlandish deal) along with Hart, Zubac and 2 future firsts, even throw in the picks this year if we have to.

Obviously we should explore all deals without Ingram involved first, same with Kuz and to a lesser extent, ball also (though out of the three, i'd deal him first).

Though if push comes to shove, Ingram + Deng for Leonard given the situation they're in should do it i think. (we'd probably have to add 25 but it should be close enough value wise).

I like that Randle sign and trade idea. I wonder what Spurs would pay him though? They are cheap. If were are able to get Leonard for just Randle, Hart and picks, we would be in great shape. How much money do we have left after that?

I think we'd bring him back on the cheap, I should hope he doesn't get anything more than 15 mill (unless some front office deserves to be fired for being that stupid).

[stan francisco]

Assuming he’s back to pre-injury form, which is a huge assumption, Kawhi is my favorite two way swingman in the league.

This team also needs a Center who can run the break like a deer, set screens, play defense and rebound. He also needs to be someone we could use in a future trade for AD.


Kawhi for S&T Randle, Zubac, Deng CLE pick.

Ball, Leonard, Ingram, Kuzma, Capela (2+1)
Caruso, Hart, KL/BI/KK, Wear, Bryant



Kawhi for BI, Zubac, Deng, CLE pick

Ball, Hart, Leonard, Kuzma, Randle
Hart, Caruso, Leonard, Wear, Bryant


There’s still room for more. Ring chasers will follow. Then wait for AD to demand out next.

[snaquille oatmeal]

I’d rather sign and trade Randle than Trade IB

[zuju]

I am just wondering why people here are always discrediting our own players and overestimating /overly hype on players in the other teams.
During last season, people here are requesting for a big man who can stretch the floor. We have it this season in Brook, who is effective inside and outside the paint. Now, without much problem in rebounds, people here asks for a defensive center who rebounds aka DJ and Noel. Brook's offensive presence and decent defense seems to be overlooked.
Also, some people want the lakers to sign favors over Randle. Both of them are commanding a similar size of contract imo. But, Rankle was so much effective and important for us. His versatility cannot be replaced easily, and people can only see his so called "shortcoming" of lack of 3 point shots. I just don't know how Favors is anything better than Randle at this stage.

I am definitely not saying that we must resign Randle & brook if we have a better plan/replacement. I just don't see it at this point. Brook was a nightmare prior to All star break. But he turns out good in the second half and built chemistry with Randle and became a great pair. Brook is primarily stretching the floor with Randle on the court. When Randle is resting, Brook can play inside with Kuzma more perimeter oriented. If Randle adds a 3-pt shot, this pair can be nightmare for every other team.

I agree with most of what you have said. I think the jump next year from guys like Ingram, Lonzo, Kuzma and Hart are going to be great. However, if you can land a guy like PG or for just cap room then you do it. I also think they need to bring back Randle as well. Where I differ from you is Lopez. He's a nice piece and good locker room presence but I don't think he's a good fit for the future Lakers. Especially if the Lakers end up getting PG and keep Randle. I just don't see a lot of minutes for Lopez. I'm sure he's not ready to be a bench player at this point in his career and would want to find a situation where he can get more minutes.

If we could get Lopez with the room exception, that would be ideal. He could stretch the floor and he is one of the best shot blocking centers available.

Will room exception be enough to retain Brook?
I doubt James would come. 76ers is a better destination basketball wise. If PG comes, we still have some cap space left for other FAs.
As a team, we should look for stability. Making huge changes to our roster every season means building chemistry all over again every year
Also, looking around the league, who is better than Brook?
Cousines is suffering from a devastating injury,
Noel and DJ cannot get a basket on their own. Can't co-exist with Randle. They are only better than Brook in speed and rebound, nothing else. Could make our offense much easier to be defended
Nurkic: Nice defensive presence, but haven't got soft hands, and the 3-pointer
monroe: Defense liability
Clint Capela : a beast around the rim, not a stretch 5 => can't co-exist with Randle. Undersized.
who else?

Besides, in this off season, I would try to do a sign & trade of IT for a late 1st round pick / an early 2nd round pick. We are an extremely fast paced team. Every player should be imposed with minutes restriction, say 28-30 mins/game, to sustain our fast paced and high intensity play. We started losing games after a winning streak when we traded away Nance and Jordan. IT couldn't play much, brewer being bought out and injuries came to us. Players on court were exhausted after 3 quarters or so (injuries may be caused partly due to tiredness?). Therefore, I prefer us drafting 3 players, 2 plug and play (aka Hart, Kuzma and Clarkson) and 1 development (aka Bryant , Zubac, Anthony brown etc).

With PG incoming, we have a significant upgrade from KCP. Coupling with our young core's development, we can be really good next season. Top 6 in the west? Grow together, round out the roster and contend within few years !!

[stan francisco]

I’d rather sign and trade Randle than Trade IB

Same here. But every time I take Randle out of our lineup, we get weak up front and lose too much rebounding. Hard to replace him, too. Not even sure I’d take Aldridge over Randle straight up. We need an enforcer who gets opposing bigs in foul trouble. Especially in the playoffs. He gets to the line a lot too. Aldridge is too soft.

I also don’t think Pop would ever trade him to a WC team. Period. He definitely won’t give Lakers any freebies, will surely ask for plenty in return from Pelagic. He does love Randle. And Ingram. But whom with a brain doesn’t?

[TylersLakers]

I posted this in the Randle thread (talking about how Randle doesn't kill our flexibility), but here's how my perfect off-season goes especially with the Kawhi situation.

Personally, my dream off-season is signing George at a max deal. Re-signing Randle to a 4 year deal starting at $15M.

Before the draft, trading Deng, 2018 1st (Cleveland), 2018 2nd rounder, cash to the Bulls for a future 2nd round pick, heavily protected. Of course, the deal wouldn't become official until after the draft because the Bulls don't have the cap space to make the deal now.

After the draft, trading Ingram, Hart, Zubac, 2019 1st rounder for a (healthy) Kawhi Leonard. As is the case with the Deng trade, this would be agreed upon before the draft, completed after the draft. Because "we" made the 2018 draft selection for the Bulls, the 2019 pick would be available to be traded.

Our roster:

George: 30.3M
Kawhi: 21M
Randle: 15M
Ball: 7.4M
Kuzma: 1.7M
Bryant: 1.4M

- 25 million in cap space remains, sign Brook Lopez to a 1 year deal deal worth 8M.
- Sign Will Barton to a 2 year deal with a team option on the 3rd starting at 12M.
- Sign Ian Clark, PG to a 2 year deal starting at 5M. Team option on the 2nd year.
- Trevor Ariza with the room exception
- Caruso, Wear, Afflalo, Frye, Tarik Black to minimum deals
- Andre Ingram: 2 way deal

PG: Ball/ Clark/ Caruso
SG: Kawhi/ Barton/ Afflalo
SF: George/ Ariza/ A. Ingram (2 way)
PF: Randle/ Kuzma/ Frye/ Wear
C: Lopez/ Bryant/ Black

That line-up is a Championship contender, in my opinion. Gives us a 5-7 year window to be seriously competitive. And as the years go on Ball, Kuzma, Randle will get better and better. In the 20-21 season, we'd have potential cap space and Ball (23), Kuzma (25), Randle (26), Kawhi (29), George (30).

[sonic the laker]

Absolutely no desire to trade for a mysteriously ailing Kawhi, unless it's for Deng+fillers, and I very much doubt San Antonio is that giving.

Off season wish is simple. Resign Randle, hopefully pickup PG13, and stand firm. See how our players mature next season, and go from there. I like our progress, and would hate to lose all that for immediate gratification, that may not be worth the expense.

Granted, this conjecture is all based on rumors, and I don't give much credence to those.


ZOOM!!!!!!!

[zuju]

Absolutely no desire to trade for a mysteriously ailing Kawhi, unless it's for Deng+fillers, and I very much doubt San Antonio is that giving.

Off season wish is simple. Resign Randle, hopefully pickup PG13, and stand firm. See how our players mature next season, and go from there. I like our progress, and would hate to lose all that for immediate gratification, that may not be worth the expense.

Granted, this conjecture is all based on rumors, and I don't give much credence to those.


ZOOM!!!!!!!

Totally agree with you!! Give me five !

I think whether trading Ingram for Kawhi or not is the expectation on Ingram. But, will he continue to keep growing as a player and will he reach the height of Kawhi? Up to now, Ingram's development trajectory is not lower than Kawhi's back then. And, more importantly, his ceiling would not be worse than Kawhi's in my opinion. He literally improved in all aspects of the game this year, drive, shootings, distributing and defense. He will be no worse than Simmons.

Kawhi's leadership is just disastrous. He could not even express himself right, both on and off the court. I would not rely on a player like this to be our leader. If he is suffering from severe injury, red flag. If he simply refuse to play, bigger red flag. What if he finds a better contract elsewhere and refuse to play for us? I would only do this trade for IT + fillers.

[snaquille oatmeal]

http://www.lakersnation.com/nba-free-agents-brook-lopez-willing-re-sign-lakers-discount-if-competing-nba-championship/2018/04/21/

Brolo would resign on the cheap if Lakers get big free agents

[One Love]

Spurs package will be two young players (Ball, Ingram or Kuzz) or they will send him to the Eastern Conference... They aren’t taking a 17th round pick with Randle... You have to be realistic... I love his game & LBJ is LBJ but we have a good thing rolling right now so need to be careful... PG should be the primary target as he fits in seemlessly & costs us nothing... Lakeshow Baby...

[Landsberger]

Spurs package will be two young players (Ball, Ingram or Kuzz) or they will send him to the Eastern Conference... They aren’t taking a 17th round pick with Randle... You have to be realistic... I love his game & LBJ is LBJ but we have a good thing rolling right now so need to be careful... PG should be the primary target as he fits in seemlessly & costs us nothing... Lakeshow Baby...

There are 17 rounds?

Our "good thing rolling" is a 35 win team. I don't think we brought Magic in here to just grow the youth. Realistically only Ball and Kuzma are "his" decisions at this point. I think all options are on the table to get better quickly.

Trading to get a superstar is something I've thought could be coming. If you look at the salary situation we will have to start paying the young guys big money in the next couple years. If we max everything out now it makes it much harder to get key pieces later when you are extending Ingram, Ball, Kuzma etc. If the window is going to be open a just a few years (which is the reality of the current NBA) you have to be looking down the road 2-3 years as well.

[snaquille oatmeal]

Spurs package will be two young players (Ball, Ingram or Kuzz) or they will send him to the Eastern Conference... They aren’t taking a 17th round pick with Randle... You have to be realistic... I love his game & LBJ is LBJ but we have a good thing rolling right now so need to be careful... PG should be the primary target as he fits in seemlessly & costs us nothing... Lakeshow Baby...

There are 17 rounds?

Our "good thing rolling" is a 35 win team. I don't think we brought Magic in here to just grow the youth. Realistically only Ball and Kuzma are "his" decisions at this point. I think all options are on the table to get better quickly.

Trading to get a superstar is something I've thought could be coming. If you look at the salary situation we will have to start paying the young guys big money in the next couple years. If we max everything out now it makes it much harder to get key pieces later when you are extending Ingram, Ball, Kuzma etc. If the window is going to be open a just a few years (which is the reality of the current NBA) you have to be looking down the road 2-3 years as well.

What you said is all good except that you are forgetting that the Lakers have never been afraid of the luxury tax. (Luxury tax to the Lakers is like extra room in the cap)

[Landsberger]

Spurs package will be two young players (Ball, Ingram or Kuzz) or they will send him to the Eastern Conference... They aren’t taking a 17th round pick with Randle... You have to be realistic... I love his game & LBJ is LBJ but we have a good thing rolling right now so need to be careful... PG should be the primary target as he fits in seemlessly & costs us nothing... Lakeshow Baby...

There are 17 rounds?

Our "good thing rolling" is a 35 win team. I don't think we brought Magic in here to just grow the youth. Realistically only Ball and Kuzma are "his" decisions at this point. I think all options are on the table to get better quickly.

Trading to get a superstar is something I've thought could be coming. If you look at the salary situation we will have to start paying the young guys big money in the next couple years. If we max everything out now it makes it much harder to get key pieces later when you are extending Ingram, Ball, Kuzma etc. If the window is going to be open a just a few years (which is the reality of the current NBA) you have to be looking down the road 2-3 years as well.

What you said is all good except that you are forgetting that the Lakers have never been afraid of the luxury tax. (Luxury tax to the Lakers is like extra room in the cap)

Granted, however you have no flexibility to add "missing pieces" except with the vet minimum when you are capped out. What if the team is not quite there when you cap out?

My larger point is that I don't think Magic sees the team like the fans. We love the individuals and want them to be a championship team without a trade or FA signing. Everyone has a favorite and believes they are a superstar given enough time. I just don't think management sees it this way. We're a better team without Russell for example. That trade pushed us closer to the end goal. I could see a similar trade to de-Deng us coming.

[larry14r]

There are 17 rounds?

Our "good thing rolling" is a 35 win team. I don't think we brought Magic in here to just grow the youth. Realistically only Ball and Kuzma are "his" decisions at this point. I think all options are on the table to get better quickly.

Trading to get a superstar is something I've thought could be coming. If you look at the salary situation we will have to start paying the young guys big money in the next couple years. If we max everything out now it makes it much harder to get key pieces later when you are extending Ingram, Ball, Kuzma etc. If the window is going to be open a just a few years (which is the reality of the current NBA) you have to be looking down the road 2-3 years as well.

What you said is all good except that you are forgetting that the Lakers have never been afraid of the luxury tax. (Luxury tax to the Lakers is like extra room in the cap)

Granted, however you have no flexibility to add "missing pieces" except with the vet minimum when you are capped out. What if the team is not quite there when you cap out?

My larger point is that I don't think Magic sees the team like the fans. We love the individuals and want them to be a championship team without a trade or FA signing. Everyone has a favorite and believes they are a superstar given enough time. I just don't think management sees it this way. We're a better team without Russell for example. That trade pushed us closer to the end goal. I could see a similar trade to de-Deng us coming.

Good luck with that.

[larry14r]

There are 17 rounds?

Our "good thing rolling" is a 35 win team. I don't think we brought Magic in here to just grow the youth. Realistically only Ball and Kuzma are "his" decisions at this point. I think all options are on the table to get better quickly.

Trading to get a superstar is something I've thought could be coming. If you look at the salary situation we will have to start paying the young guys big money in the next couple years. If we max everything out now it makes it much harder to get key pieces later when you are extending Ingram, Ball, Kuzma etc. If the window is going to be open a just a few years (which is the reality of the current NBA) you have to be looking down the road 2-3 years as well.

What you said is all good except that you are forgetting that the Lakers have never been afraid of the luxury tax. (Luxury tax to the Lakers is like extra room in the cap)

Granted, however you have no flexibility to add "missing pieces" except with the vet minimum when you are capped out. What if the team is not quite there when you cap out?

My larger point is that I don't think Magic sees the team like the fans. We love the individuals and want them to be a championship team without a trade or FA signing. Everyone has a favorite and believes they are a superstar given enough time. I just don't think management sees it this way. We're a better team without Russell for example. That trade pushed us closer to the end goal. I could see a similar trade to de-Deng us coming.

Good luck with that.

[Landsberger]

What you said is all good except that you are forgetting that the Lakers have never been afraid of the luxury tax. (Luxury tax to the Lakers is like extra room in the cap)

Granted, however you have no flexibility to add "missing pieces" except with the vet minimum when you are capped out. What if the team is not quite there when you cap out?

My larger point is that I don't think Magic sees the team like the fans. We love the individuals and want them to be a championship team without a trade or FA signing. Everyone has a favorite and believes they are a superstar given enough time. I just don't think management sees it this way. We're a better team without Russell for example. That trade pushed us closer to the end goal. I could see a similar trade to de-Deng us coming.

Good luck with that.

With what?

[larry14r]

Granted, however you have no flexibility to add "missing pieces" except with the vet minimum when you are capped out. What if the team is not quite there when you cap out?

My larger point is that I don't think Magic sees the team like the fans. We love the individuals and want them to be a championship team without a trade or FA signing. Everyone has a favorite and believes they are a superstar given enough time. I just don't think management sees it this way. We're a better team without Russell for example. That trade pushed us closer to the end goal. I could see a similar trade to de-Deng us coming.

Good luck with that.

With what?

With everything even though there might not be a happy ending.

[Landsberger]

Good luck with that.

With what?

With everything even though there might not be a happy ending.

I'm pretty confident we'll be a better team next year. By better I mean with on the floor veteran leadership. Whether or not that translates into us jumping into the middle of the playoff pack will be seen. We now have assets and if the FO uses them well we can change the trajectory even more than we saw this year.

[Pythagoras]

With what?

With everything even though there might not be a happy ending.

I'm pretty confident we'll be a better team next year. By better I mean with on the floor veteran leadership. Whether or not that translates into us jumping into the middle of the playoff pack will be seen. We now have assets and if the FO uses them well we can change the trajectory even more than we saw this year.

So what’s the most you’re willing to give up for Kawhi? Ingram alone is a steep price, and I don’t know that the Lakers should be willing to consider going much higher than that.