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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#481 » by Jammer » Wed Sep 7, 2022 11:51 am

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Jammer wrote:I think Laker fans need to look at this from Utah's perspective GOING FORWARD (after the Rudy Gobert and Donovan Mitchell trades where Utah took a lot of salary back but got a lot of draft picks).

Utah is at $144M in Team salary, which is $32 Million above minimum Team salary of $112M and $6M below the luxury tax line.

Utah will look to do trades where they take less salary in than they send out, to try to get closer to the minimum team salary of $112M now that Utah is in Tank mode.

The five players that Utah is dangling can all produce a return individually so to get a collection of them is going to cost, but only if Utah is sending out more salary than they are taking in.

Giving bubkus for a collection of them won't work since they all are individually worth at least a 2nd Round Pick (Gay), with the rest having significantly higher stand alone value.

Bojan Bogdanovic - Age 33 - ($19,550,000 expiring)
Mike Conley - Age 34 - ($22,680,000 signed thru 2024 with $14,320,000 guaranteed in 2024 (2024 salary is 24,360,000)
Jordan Clarkson - Age 30 - ($13,340,000 with $14,260,000 Player Option for 2024)
Malik Beasley - Age 25 - $15,558,035 with 2024 salary of $16,524,106 fully Unguaranteed, effectively a Team Option
Rudy Gay - Age 36 - $6,184,500 with $6,479,000 Player Option for 2024

So, if Westbrook ($47,063,078) is Utah's incoming, the outgoing combinations totaling more than Westbrook's salary that are still within the CBA's limits for the deal to work are:

Bogdanovic, Clarkson and Beasley = $48,153,535
Bogdanovic, Conley and Gay = $48,414,500
Bogdanovic, Clarkson, Beasley and Gay = $54,632,535 *** This and the 2 deals above will probably require 2 Unprotected 1rsts
Bogdanovic, Conley and Clarkson = $55,570,000
*** Might not have to include 2nd 1rst Round Pick, just a 1rst and 2 Seconds
Bogdanovic, Conley and Beasley = $57,788,035 *** Best Chance to Avoid having to include a 2nd 1rst Round Pick

A deal like Bogdanovic, Clarkson and Gay would be out of the question for Utah because at only $40M in outgoing salary it would put Utah $1M over the luxury tax line (adds $7 Million of direct salary plus you give up the payment non-tax paying teams receive at the end of the year, which is typically at least $4.5M per team - Utah ain't doing that under any circumstances since they are now in Tank Mode).

Bogdanovic, Beasley and Gay would also be unlikely as that would mean that Utah is adding $5.77M of salary and put their team salary at nearly $150M - I don't think that Utah would do that even if they were offered the 2027 and 2029 Picks without any Protections. Utah wants less salary, not more.


Westbrook/Nunn/2027 unprotected 1st/2024 2nd/2026 2nd for Conley/Bojan/Beasley. Saves Utah about 6 million.


I don't have a bias for either Utah or Lakers. Just was playing around trying to work out a trade that would work under the CBA and that is also fair to both teams.

But without Nunn I think that your proposal for 1 Unprotected 1rst and Two Seconds (plus Westbrook) for Bojan, Beasley and Conley is FAIR. Doable for Utah considering the money they save. When you add in taking on Nunn's $5.25 M salary for this year, I think it would drive Utah from possibly accepting Two seconds to wanting a second Unprotected 1rst (unless the Lakers included a check for Nunn's $5.25M salary as cash consideration). Just my reaction if I was the Utah owner. Not putting myself in Ainge's shoes because Ainge is a notoriously hard bargainer. But the owner might be more inclined to save $10.6M without Nunn and just take 1 Unprotected 1rst and Two seconds (or take Nunn if the Lakers included $5.25M in cash consideration to cover his salary). But Nunn's a good player, I can't see why the Lakers wouldn't want to keep him. However, if the Lakers instead opted for one of the combinations with less money saved by Utah (especially the near equal salary swaps despite a 3 for 1); then Utah will probably be pressing for Two Unprotected First Round Picks.
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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#482 » by Beethoven » Thu Sep 8, 2022 4:20 am

Has Dwight Howard signed back w us? I saw a recent practice video where he was there practicing with the team.
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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#483 » by DanishLakerFan » Thu Sep 8, 2022 4:57 pm

Anyone interested in Kemba Walker? He's for sure better than Schroeder and might be had at the minimum.
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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#484 » by Beethoven » Thu Sep 8, 2022 9:11 pm

DanishLakerFan wrote:Anyone interested in Kemba Walker? He's for sure better than Schroeder and might be had at the minimum.

I rather have Schroeder. We have a need for more defense than point guards.
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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#485 » by Jammer » Thu Sep 8, 2022 9:30 pm

Here's a 3-Way Trade if you're prioritizing winning over tanking for a top pick in the spring (tanking won’t work since New Orleans can swap First Round picks in 2023). This 3-Way trade works under the CBA because Indiana has $22M in cap space, and seems FAIR to ALL PARTIES since I don't care a hoot about any of the 3 teams involved...

Lakers In: Myles Turner from Indiana, Bojan Bogdanovic & Mike Conley from Utah ($60,230,000 Incoming)
Lakers Out: Unprotected 1rst, Two Seconds, Westbrook to Indiana; Unprotected 1rst and Kendrick Nunn to Utah ($52,313,478 Out)
Lakers 2023 Payroll increases by $7,916,522

Utah Out: Bojan Bogdanovic & Mike Conley to Lakers ($42,230,000 Outgoing)
Utah Incoming: Unprotected 1rst & Kendrick Nunn ($5,250,000) from Lakers;
Daniel Theis from Indiana ($8,694,369 in 2023 plus $9,108,386 in 2024)
Utah 2023 Payroll Decrease of $28,285,631

Indiana Outgoing: Myles Turner ($18,000,000) to Lakers; Daniel Theis to Utah ($8,694,369)
Indiana Incoming: Russell Westbrook ($47,063,478), Unprotected Lakers 1rst & Two Lakers 2nd Round Picks
Indiana 2023 Payroll Increase of $20,369,109
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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#486 » by DanishLakerFan » Fri Sep 9, 2022 6:42 am

Beethoven wrote:
DanishLakerFan wrote:Anyone interested in Kemba Walker? He's for sure better than Schroeder and might be had at the minimum.

I rather have Schroeder. We have a need for more defense than point guards.


Is Schroeder better than Kemba defensively. Doesn't seem like the case looking at the advanced metrics.

I think in a playoff setting i would trust Kemba to create points much more than Schroeder.
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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#487 » by kobe_vs_jordan » Fri Sep 9, 2022 1:09 pm

DanishLakerFan wrote:
Beethoven wrote:
DanishLakerFan wrote:Anyone interested in Kemba Walker? He's for sure better than Schroeder and might be had at the minimum.

I rather have Schroeder. We have a need for more defense than point guards.


Is Schroeder better than Kemba defensively. Doesn't seem like the case looking at the advanced metrics.

I think in a playoff setting i would trust Kemba to create points much more than Schroeder.

Compare dennis Lakers metrics with any of Kemba recent metric of Kemba. Dennis clearly the better player and healthier.

I do not see Kemba pressuring guards full court.
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Post#488 » by DanishLakerFan » Fri Sep 9, 2022 1:45 pm

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DanishLakerFan wrote:
Beethoven wrote:I rather have Schroeder. We have a need for more defense than point guards.


Is Schroeder better than Kemba defensively. Doesn't seem like the case looking at the advanced metrics.

I think in a playoff setting i would trust Kemba to create points much more than Schroeder.

Compare dennis Lakers metrics with any of Kemba recent metric of Kemba. Dennis clearly the better player and healthier.

I do not see Kemba pressuring guards full court.


FiveThirtyEight give Kemba the edge.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2023-nba-player-projections/dennis-schroder/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2023-nba-player-projections/kemba-walker/

I dont really trust either of those guys' defense, but i Kemba is a veteran and a leader and he's much better offensively.
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Post#489 » by Lakers24gm » Fri Sep 9, 2022 2:26 pm

Jammer wrote:Here's a 3-Way Trade if you're prioritizing winning over tanking for a top pick in the spring. This 3-Way trade works under the CBA because Indiana has $22M in cap space, and seems FAIR to ALL PARTIES since I don't care a hoot about any of the 3 teams involved...

Lakers In: Myles Turner from Indiana, Bojan Bogdanovic & Mike Conley from Utah ($60,230,000 Incoming)
Lakers Out: Unprotected 1rst, Two Seconds, Westbrook to Indiana; Unprotected 1rst and Kendrick Nunn to Utah ($52,313,478 Out)
Lakers 2023 Payroll increases by $7,916,522

Utah Out: Bojan Bogdanovic & Mike Conley to Lakers ($42,230,000 Outgoing)
Utah Incoming: Unprotected 1rst & Kendrick Nunn ($5,250,000) from Lakers;
Daniel Theis from Indiana ($8,694,369 in 2023 plus $9,108,386 in 2024)
Utah 2023 Payroll Decrease of $28,285,631

Indiana Outgoing: Myles Turner ($18,000,000) to Lakers; Daniel Theis to Utah ($8,694,369)
Indiana Incoming: Russell Westbrook ($47,063,478), Unprotected Lakers 1rst & Two Lakers 2nd Round Picks
Indiana 2023 Payroll Increase of $20,369,109


As a lakers fan I’d do this but can’t see lakers doing it. What does the nearly 8 mil in added payroll add to luxury tax? Just can’t see Lakers taking on that much extra money.
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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#490 » by kobe_vs_jordan » Fri Sep 9, 2022 2:34 pm

DanishLakerFan wrote:
kobe_vs_jordan wrote:
DanishLakerFan wrote:
Is Schroeder better than Kemba defensively. Doesn't seem like the case looking at the advanced metrics.

I think in a playoff setting i would trust Kemba to create points much more than Schroeder.

Compare dennis Lakers metrics with any of Kemba recent metric of Kemba. Dennis clearly the better player and healthier.

I do not see Kemba pressuring guards full court.


FiveThirtyEight give Kemba the edge.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2023-nba-player-projections/dennis-schroder/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2023-nba-player-projections/kemba-walker/

I dont really trust either of those guys' defense, but i Kemba is a veteran and a leader and he's much better offensively.

I’m not seeing the edge. Dennis was a 1.7 on defense in 2020 when playing for lakers. . Kemba has never been close to that type of defensive player.

Nunn and Dennis Much more complete players vs current form of kemba.
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Post#491 » by DanishLakerFan » Fri Sep 9, 2022 2:46 pm

kobe_vs_jordan wrote:
DanishLakerFan wrote:
kobe_vs_jordan wrote:Compare dennis Lakers metrics with any of Kemba recent metric of Kemba. Dennis clearly the better player and healthier.

I do not see Kemba pressuring guards full court.


FiveThirtyEight give Kemba the edge.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2023-nba-player-projections/dennis-schroder/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2023-nba-player-projections/kemba-walker/

I dont really trust either of those guys' defense, but i Kemba is a veteran and a leader and he's much better offensively.

I’m not seeing the edge. Dennis was a 1.7 on defense in 2020 when playing for lakers. . Kemba has never been close to that type of defensive player.

Nunn and Dennis Much more complete players vs current form of kemba.


Agree to disagree. IMO none of them are any good defensively, but i'd trust Kemba as a leader and someone who can be a solid back-up at the point guard position more than whatever edge Schroeder might have on the defensive end.
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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#492 » by Jammer » Fri Sep 9, 2022 3:11 pm

Lakers24gm wrote:
Jammer wrote:Here's a 3-Way Trade if you're prioritizing winning over tanking for a top pick in the spring. This 3-Way trade works under the CBA because Indiana has $22M in cap space, and seems FAIR to ALL PARTIES since I don't care a hoot about any of the 3 teams involved...

Lakers In: Myles Turner from Indiana, Bojan Bogdanovic & Mike Conley from Utah ($60,230,000 Incoming)
Lakers Out: Unprotected 1rst, Two Seconds, Westbrook to Indiana; Unprotected 1rst and Kendrick Nunn to Utah ($52,313,478 Out)
Lakers 2023 Payroll increases by $7,916,522

Utah Out: Bojan Bogdanovic & Mike Conley to Lakers ($42,230,000 Outgoing)
Utah Incoming: Unprotected 1rst & Kendrick Nunn ($5,250,000) from Lakers;
Daniel Theis from Indiana ($8,694,369 in 2023 plus $9,108,386 in 2024)
Utah 2023 Payroll Decrease of $28,285,631

Indiana Outgoing: Myles Turner ($18,000,000) to Lakers; Daniel Theis to Utah ($8,694,369)
Indiana Incoming: Russell Westbrook ($47,063,478), Unprotected Lakers 1rst & Two Lakers 2nd Round Picks
Indiana 2023 Payroll Increase of $20,369,109


As a lakers fan I’d do this but can’t see lakers doing it. What does the nearly 8 mil in added payroll add to luxury tax? Just can’t see Lakers taking on that much extra money.


$3,432,472 x $3.75 + $4,484,050 x $4.25 = $12,871,770 + $19,057,212.5 = $31,928,982.50 ADDITIONAL LUXURY TAX

The Lakers have the most LUCRATIVE TV contract in the NBA by a WIDE MARGIN. $31,928,982.50 is a chunk of change out of the FIVE Buss sibling's end of year profit sharing. But if you want to win, well, what's a few bucks to Millionaires. Oh that's right, the Lakers are practically the only NBA team run by Millionaires, not Billionaires. Darn ... But oh, that Rodriguez guy in Minnesota is still struggling to come up with his 15% UNENCUMBERED Payment to be Lead Owner.

Sounds like you're saying that the five Buss Sibling's would rather keep $7M in each of their pockets this season than field a playoff team. That makes NO SENSE because New Orleans owns the Right to Swap 1rst Round Picks with the Lakers in 2023. But technically, only Jeannie has authority to make decisions, despite all 5 siblings having about equal %' ownership.
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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#493 » by heezyo2o » Fri Sep 9, 2022 5:40 pm

No need for Kemba at all. Already have too many guards who have poor D. For scoring punch, I'd throw Nunn out there over Kemba at this point in his career.

Don't forget Kemba was benched with the Knicks last year mainly for defense and lack of size.
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Post#494 » by stan francisco » Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:46 pm

DanishLakerFan wrote:Anyone interested in Kemba Walker? He's for sure better than Schroeder and might be had at the minimum.


We have Westbrook to put on the bench for that already. That, meaning not playing defense at all. In my opinion, we need no more offense-only players like Kemba, Wall, Westbrook, Isiah and so on…

Defense. Team defense. That takes Schroeder off the list, too. He doesn’t play team defense either.
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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#495 » by Danny Darko » Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:37 pm

I cannot believe I'm saying this because of how bad i want Russ to f off, but i would rather let him sit out the year (or sit until trade mid season appears) than make this trade

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Post#496 » by wco81 » Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:55 pm

Those are good offensive players.

But is that the Lakers problem, lack of scoring?

They can hit the open shot if LBJ kicks it to them.

On defense though ...
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Post#497 » by Danny Darko » Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:09 pm

Westbrook and Kyrie are the two guys I don't want on my team. trading one for the other doesn't work for me.

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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#498 » by Danny Darko » Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:19 pm

wco81 wrote:Those are good offensive players.

But is that the Lakers problem, lack of scoring?

They can hit the open shot if LBJ kicks it to them.

On defense though ...


Bojan has only one year at 19.5 mill left... good
Beasley 15 mill next season and is 2 year... really 1 as the next is a club option... good
Conley is 2 year at 22/year at age 35... terrible.

idk... i like the 40 mill coming off the books and Russ leaving asap... maybe Conley retires after the season... players are ok, so could work, just don't love it.
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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#499 » by DanishLakerFan » Sat Sep 17, 2022 5:16 am

Danny Darko wrote:Westbrook and Kyrie are the two guys I don't want on my team. trading one for the other doesn't work for me.

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What team over the last half a decade didn't regret having Kyrie on their team?

I can talk myself into trading for him, if there was a deal on the table right now using WB and picks due to his fit and potential upside. But at the same time, i'd prefer going a safer route with Buddy+Turner because i belive that Lebron and Davis are good enough to win a title without a 3rd star.
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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#500 » by zuju » Sun Sep 18, 2022 10:25 am

Any way or any chance we can trade for Johnathan Issac?

I was hoping for a THT trade or a Westbrook trade involving Johnathan Issac before the Pat Bev trade.

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