Woj: Dlo & Moz to Nets for lopez and 27th pick

[mjba]

We're losing more and more leverage on the Pacers by making these hasty deals. Honestly, Prichard looks like he's taking Magic and Pelinka to school. KP is standing strong but the LA front office is looking sort of desperate here. They managed to maneuver us into trading our best player just so we camp dump salary and get a crappy pick (which KP probably led Magic to believe was something the Pacers actually valued). Hell we could have just stretched Mosgov if anything.

Now its coming out that KP is still adamant on getting the #2 pick for George. Magic has to play his hand here, and it wouldnt shock me if he does actually end up giving the pick just to get PG sooner.... So he would have essentially traded #2/Russell/Mosgov, just to get George a season early...

agreed w all of this and this is my fear.

Magic doesn't think long-term. He's all about being in the moment and putting his feelings into action. Then when he gets in a rut he just puts on his "I'm Magic" face and tries to talk his way out of it. Should we not be able to land George in a trade this offseason, you can bet that "what if we just kept Russell" is going to be an ongoing theme all season long.

and this was my fear - and i think the fear for many - when Magic signed on as GM.

[Slava]

The funny story is that Nets had #22 and we couldn't even get the better pick out of them in this deal. Jesus wept at this ineptitude.

what?!!!

Apparently this is what continually pursuing excellence looks like. If that low rent Rob Lowe looking mfer says excellence in another press conference I'm going to lose my wits.

[Crooked-I]

That's how they sell you this mirage. PG is coming now, Lebron is coming next year, Westbrook is coming the year after that.... we've been through this before and that ended with Kupchak and Jimbo holding their dicks in their hands and overpaying for Deng and Mozgov.

The difference is that Magic actually attracts free agents while Jim and Mitch repelled them. How many times during the Mitch era did a star player force his way to the Lakers?

How many times has a star player forced his way to the Lakers with Magic? Lets not count our chickens until the eggs hatch.

That's the same kind of crap that got us in trouble in the first place. Except it used to be "This is LA, everyone wants to sign here", now it's "We got Magic everyone likes him so they'll sign here"

[DNP-Old]

3 firsts? what 2 other firsts did we receive aside from 27 that we don't know about

I did not say they actually received three picks. I said they essentially received three picks. It would have cost one to dump Mosgov. It would have cost another to acquire Lopez. The third is the 27th.

Your life must be pretty amazing if you are able to consistently rationalize away stuff like this on a regular basis.

Would the LAKERS have given a first to acquire Lopez? NO
Is it possible that Moz could have increased his value this year with Ball feeding him, resulting in a team with cap space and no center(MINN), or even a title contender needing a functional backup center (CLEVELAND) taking him off our hands at the deadline at no cost to us? YES
Did we pathetically accept the 27th pick, even though the nets had the 22nd as well? YES

Are you always a prick or is this something you saved for me?
Would LAL have traded a 1st to BRK for Lopez? If Mozgov weren't on the roster, why not? I don't know, or care.
You are delusional if you think someone is going to take on Mosgov's contract for free. Especially CLE as they are going to be tens of millions over the cap as is.
Finally, you somehow think the trade is significantly better with the 22 in place of the 27, meh.
It seems pretty clear that LAL wanted to move on from Russell. They shopped him in an attempt to get another lottery pick and when that failed they chose to use him to dump Mosgov. The deal they got isn't bad.

[ISayshowmee]

We're losing more and more leverage on the Pacers by making these hasty deals. Honestly, Prichard looks like he's taking Magic and Pelinka to school. KP is standing strong but the LA front office is looking sort of desperate here. They managed to maneuver us into trading our best player just so we camp dump salary and get a crappy pick (which KP probably led Magic to believe was something the Pacers actually valued). Hell we could have just stretched Mosgov if anything.

Now its coming out that KP is still adamant on getting the #2 pick for George. Magic has to play his hand here, and it wouldnt shock me if he does actually end up giving the pick just to get PG sooner.... So he would have essentially traded #2/Russell/Mosgov, just to get George a season early...

agreed w all of this and this is my fear.

Magic doesn't think long-term. He's all about being in the moment and putting his feelings into action. Then when he gets in a rut he just puts on his "I'm Magic" face and tries to talk his way out of it. Should we not be able to land George in a trade this offseason, you can bet that "what if we just kept Russell" is going to be an ongoing theme all season long.

and this was my fear - and i think the fear for many - when Magic signed on as GM.

Long term huh ? This was a salary dump as he seems to be preparing to pursue FA agents in 2018 once Lopez's contract is off the books.

[mjba]

We're losing more and more leverage on the Pacers by making these hasty deals. Honestly, Prichard looks like he's taking Magic and Pelinka to school. KP is standing strong but the LA front office is looking sort of desperate here. They managed to maneuver us into trading our best player just so we camp dump salary and get a crappy pick (which KP probably led Magic to believe was something the Pacers actually valued). Hell we could have just stretched Mosgov if anything.

Now its coming out that KP is still adamant on getting the #2 pick for George. Magic has to play his hand here, and it wouldnt shock me if he does actually end up giving the pick just to get PG sooner.... So he would have essentially traded #2/Russell/Mosgov, just to get George a season early...

agreed w all of this and this is my fear.

Magic doesn't think long-term. He's all about being in the moment and putting his feelings into action. Then when he gets in a rut he just puts on his "I'm Magic" face and tries to talk his way out of it. Should we not be able to land George in a trade this offseason, you can bet that "what if we just kept Russell" is going to be an ongoing theme all season long.

and this was my fear - and i think the fear for many - when Magic signed on as GM.

Long term huh ? This was a salary dump as he seems to be preparing to pursue FA agents in 2018 once Lopez's contract is off the books.

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[Danny Darko]

i'm shocked at how controversial this trade is with the Nets board. They have as many people who hate this as we do.

[Michael Lucky]

The funny story is that Nets had #22 and we couldn't even get the better pick out of them in this deal. Jesus wept at this ineptitude.

what?!!!

Apparently this is what continually pursuing excellence looks like. If that low rent Rob Lowe looking mfer says excellence in another press conference I'm going to lose my wits.

Those negotiation skills in full effect. This feels so rushed. Especially when this salary dump could have been done a year later and you would have gotten more value back.

[mjba]

also, what happened w Caris LeVert? not included, right?

[Penberthy]

There's no way in hell the lakers would have given a first for Lopez, even without Moz on the roster.

CLE got abused by ZAZA PACHULIA and JAVALE MCGEE in the finals, they could easily give up Frye (expiring) + Shumpert (player option in 2018, and minutes gone to JR) if they thought having at least one real center on their roster would help them win a chip.

I never said anything about 22 being significantly better than 27, but yes, if you are trading a former #2 for a single first, you should get the better of the two picks, just ask ANYONE ELSE ON THIS ENTIRE BOARD.

[Danny Darko]

I gotta say. I am happy not to have to see this guys stupid face and hairdo all year. Something about his look has always screamed "punch me"

[10DayContract]

i'm shocked at how controversial this trade is with the Nets board. They have as many people who hate this as we do.

If not anything else, that proves Russell hasn't been the #2 pick people had expected him to be.

I don't know about you guys, but when my team drafts someone #2, I expect things. It's not Magic, Rob's, Mitch's, or even Jim's fault that Russell isn't valued around the league. If Nets fans are torn, then what does that tell you?

[ISayshowmee]

agreed w all of this and this is my fear.


and this was my fear - and i think the fear for many - when Magic signed on as GM.

Long term huh ? This was a salary dump as he seems to be preparing to pursue FA agents in 2018 once Lopez's contract is off the books.

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Magic and the Lakers got all the cards in this PG13 deal. KP got nothing except sit and wait for a better deal. PG13 put KP in a very tough negotiating position by declaring he wanted to go to the Lakers, other teams will only have a one year rental. So Magic is gambling that his offer to KP will be the best offer Pacers will get.

On the 2nd part about Magic not thinking long-term.....with regards to Russell and Mozgov salary dump.... He believes he did not need Russell to acquire PG13.

He had to dump Mozgov's contract....Nets wanted Russell......ok let us do the deal. Obviously Magic and his team did not have Russell in his long term plans. But the salary dump tells me.....he is getting ready to get 'more' FA's.

[Kilroy]

I gotta say. I am happy not to have to see this guys stupid face and hairdo all year. Something about his look has always screamed "punch me"

Telling you... He's Nick Van Exel... That's probably his ceiling too. Few Lakers in history more punchable than Nick the Quick... But I agree, Russell's 'got the look.' And the ice in my veins thing doesn't help... At all.

[mjba]

Magic and the Lakers got all the cards in this PG13 deal. KP got nothing except sit and wait for a better deal. PG13 put KP in a very tough negotiating position by declaring he wanted to go to the Lakers, other teams will only have a one year rental. So Magic is gambling that his offer to KP will be the best offer Pacers will get.

what does this have to do w him attaching Russell to a salary dump? d'lo was a top two player and ticket seller, top three asset on our team. we are now v obviously in need of someone to replace him - short or medium term. the point is that this erodes our overall negotiating position.

[Penberthy]

Magic and the Lakers got all the cards in this PG13 deal. KP got nothing except sit and wait for a better deal. PG13 put KP in a very tough negotiating position by declaring he wanted to go to the Lakers, other teams will only have a one year rental. So Magic is gambling that his offer to KP will be the best offer Pacers will get.

what does this have to do w him attaching Russell to a salary dump? d'lo was a top two player and ticket seller, top three asset on our team. we are now v obviously in need of someone to replace him - short or medium term. the point is that this erodes our overall negotiating position.

All that, yet we couldn't even get the #9 pick in this years draft from Dallas for him. Who is #9? Someone worse than Clarkson surly.

[ISayshowmee]

Magic and the Lakers got all the cards in this PG13 deal. KP got nothing except sit and wait for a better deal. PG13 put KP in a very tough negotiating position by declaring he wanted to go to the Lakers, other teams will only have a one year rental. So Magic is gambling that his offer to KP will be the best offer Pacers will get.

what does this have to do w him attaching Russell to a salary dump? d'lo was a top two player and ticket seller, top three asset on our team. we are now v obviously in need of someone to replace him - short or medium term. the point is that this erodes our overall negotiating position.

Russell's stock is not as high as you want to imagine. Obviously dumping Mozgov's contract was more important than keeping Russell. Mavs will not even part with their 9th pick in a straight up deal for Russell.

Magic and the coaching staff worked with this kid. They see more of him than us fans. They just concluded, he was not the player they were looking for.

[mjba]

On the 2nd part about Magic not thinking long-term.....with regards to Russell and Mozgov salary dump.... He believes he did not need Russell to acquire PG13.

He had to dump Mozgov's contract....Nets wanted Russell......ok let us do the deal. Obviously Magic and his team did not have Russell in his long term plans. But the salary dump tells me.....he is getting ready to get 'more' FA's.

i think the earlier poster's point was that "get 'more FAs" is not a solid long-term strategy.

to me, it feels like Magic/Rob: a) distancing themselves from Jim/Mitch and highlighting their ineptitude - which it should be said is a point well made; and b) believing their own hype, in that they can bring PG + whoever here where others (Jim and Mitch) had previously failed. but perhaps they know something we do not... let's hope so.

Ancillary point which i'm sure has been brought up: does this not point a hell of a lot of pressure on Lonzo now? internally and externally... could it honestly be that this was their intention - see: Kobe, Magic etc. they must have foreseen that as a fall out from trading d'lo?

[mjba]

Magic and the Lakers got all the cards in this PG13 deal. KP got nothing except sit and wait for a better deal. PG13 put KP in a very tough negotiating position by declaring he wanted to go to the Lakers, other teams will only have a one year rental. So Magic is gambling that his offer to KP will be the best offer Pacers will get.

what does this have to do w him attaching Russell to a salary dump? d'lo was a top two player and ticket seller, top three asset on our team. we are now v obviously in need of someone to replace him - short or medium term. the point is that this erodes our overall negotiating position.

Russell's stock is not as high as you want to imagine. Obviously dumping Mozgov's contract was more important than keeping Russell. Mavs will not even part with their 9th pick in a straight up deal for Russell.

Magic and the coaching staff worked with this kid. They see more of him than us fans. They just concluded, he was not the player they were looking for.

sorry, you;re not reading my posts so i am going to stop responding.

i agree with your post and have commented to that effect elsewhere.

[ISayshowmee]

On the 2nd part about Magic not thinking long-term.....with regards to Russell and Mozgov salary dump.... He believes he did not need Russell to acquire PG13.

He had to dump Mozgov's contract....Nets wanted Russell......ok let us do the deal. Obviously Magic and his team did not have Russell in his long term plans. But the salary dump tells me.....he is getting ready to get 'more' FA's.

i think the earlier poster's point was that "get 'more FAs" is not a solid long-term strategy.

to me, it feels like the Magic/Rob: a) distancing themselves from Jim/Mitch and highlighting their ineptitude - which it should be said is a point well made; and b) believe their own hype, in that they can bring PG + whoever here where others (Jim and MItch) had previously failed. but perhaps they know something we do not... let's hope so.

Ancillary point which i'm sure has been brought up: does this not point a hell of a lot of pressure on Lonzo now? internally and externally... could it honestly be that this was their intention - see: Kobe, Magic etc. they must have foreseen that as a fall out from trading d'lo?

I personally want Lakers to follow how Warriors developed their championship team, drafts drafts drafts rather than FAs. When I look back at what Knicks did when they traded for Melo......'nuff said about the perils of FA.

If there is a free agent I prefer, a veteran free agent but low cost who can likewise teach these young players how to win.

But, makes me wonder if Magic...Jeanie are under pressure from their business partners and other owners... to expedite winning vs. build the team with youngsters ?

I am likewise disappointed with the trade. Not the biggest Russell plan, but perhaps give him another year.

But