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Re: Official trade thread 20-21 edition 

Post#501 » by Beethoven » Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:38 pm

ScHoolBoy B wrote:Harrell is a rental. We have to get something out of him if he doesn't resign. I'd rather trade him now than lose him for nothing.

Sorry but this doesnt make sense for several reasons:

1) He may be a rental, but was brought here to be help us to another championship/deep run into the playoffs. Defeats the whole purpose just to trade him now.

2) But if you do end up trading him now during this month in this market that is left (of what team GMs are willing to trade), you have,
Trez > > trade piece(s)

3) Losing him for nothing sort of is a phenomenon that happens on small market teams/Minn/teams that are not popular destinations. Those teams have to over pay to bring someone in (case in point Hayward signed by Charlotte). We lose him during offseason, we can quickly bring in someone similar or even better in that same salary cap spot.
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Re: Official trade thread 20-21 edition 

Post#502 » by BEazy » Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:14 pm

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ScHoolBoy B wrote:Harrell is a rental. We have to get something out of him if he doesn't resign. I'd rather trade him now than lose him for nothing.

Sorry but this doesnt make sense for several reasons:

1) He may be a rental, but was brought here to be help us to another championship/deep run into the playoffs. Defeats the whole purpose just to trade him now.

2) But if you do end up trading him now during this month in this market that is left (of what team GMs are willing to trade), you have,
Trez > > trade piece(s)

3) Losing him for nothing sort of is a phenomenon that happens on small market teams/Minn/teams that are not popular destinations. Those teams have to over pay to bring someone in (case in point Hayward signed by Charlotte). We lose him during offseason, we can quickly bring in someone similar or even better in that same salary cap spot.


He signed here because he wanted to get back at the Flippers. We signed him because he’s the reigning 6th man of the year who is going sign way below his market value. I’m not sure where you got the whole he was brought in to go far into the playoffs. I bet the front office didn’t even know that he was going to do this and they quickly signed him before he changed his mind. Like I said he’s a rental...Harrell is going to get paid next year, so it’s worth considering trading him while he’s here.
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Post#503 » by LAKESHOW » Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:37 pm

This is why im looking at Pelinka to get us out of this mess. First Day here AD said he Did Not want to play the 5. As it turns out, AD is more brittle than most thought, and quite possibly AD was telling us that and we didn't listen..
Meaning, banging inside leads us to where we are at now. AD sidelined. Then he hired a guy who cannot move in Gasol, and pushes AD moreso in the middle.
Pelinka is feelin the Heat for sure. Meaning, I absolutely have no doubt Pelinka has got the message, and is looking at this Deadline to rectify this situation
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Post#504 » by kblo247 » Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:57 pm

Then you realize he can’t defend like Kuzma one on one anymore. And he can’t hit a three like Markieff. Then you get pissed off to the fullest.

He only makes sense if it’s for Wes. He’s not better than Kieff or Kuz or KCP. You may give Houston THT in the deal for picks you control over paying him though
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Post#505 » by chefy » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:05 pm

LAKESHOW wrote:This is why im looking at Pelinka to get us out of this mess. First Day here AD said he Did Not want to play the 5. As it turns out, AD is more brittle than most thought, and quite possibly AD was telling us that and we didn't listen..
Meaning, banging inside leads us to where we are at now. AD sidelined. Then he hired a guy who cannot move in Gasol, and pushes AD moreso in the middle.
Pelinka is feelin the Heat for sure. Meaning, I absolutely have no doubt Pelinka has got the message, and is looking at this Deadline to rectify this situation



100% agree with this.

because its either this or FO lost their minds choosing Dudley over Howard/Mcgee.

I also think AD's DPOY run last year convinced Pelinka that he can full time anchor the team's defense. We really undervalued the Mcgee-AD-Howard frontcourt, a perfect example of trying to fix something thats not broken.

I don't see us getting whitside or drummond...but I can see Pelinka pulling another Morris-like signing like last year.

I have a feeling we're gonna end up getting Tucker.
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Re: Official trade thread 20-21 edition 

Post#506 » by Kilroy » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:10 pm

McGee was terrible in the bubble... He clearly needed to go...

Howard and his agent stupidly assumed that when we landed Harrell, it meant we no longer wanted to retain Howard, so he immediately signed with Phily without talking to us first...

There was no Dudley over Howard/McGee storyline...

We thought we'd replaced McGee with Trez...
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Post#507 » by chefy » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:48 pm

we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one. His stats wasn't the greatest but given minutes McGee produced in the RS. Just look at his 2018-2019 stats when he was our full time center.

My point is Having him as a 3rd center was a luxury behind AD/Howard. You gotta have players like Mcgee/Howard that would keep your superstars (especially AD) fresh come playoff time.

we don't really know what happened behind the scenes between the FO and Howard's agent, so I'm not gonna play this game. my theory is it became a battle of egos between the two.

what I know for a fact is Dudley who is averaging 0.5 PPG is making the same amount as Dwight Howard.

My point, clearly it wasn't about money, so what was the hold up on signing the dude who earned his stay here? the FO decided to play games with Howard so the guy had to move on.


we could've kept howard and mcgee or at least one and still sign Trez.
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Post#508 » by LAKESHOW » Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:27 pm

chefy wrote:we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one. His stats wasn't the greatest but given minutes McGee produced in the RS. Just look at his 2018-2019 stats when he was our full time center.

My point is Having him as a 3rd center was a luxury behind AD/Howard. You gotta have players like Mcgee/Howard that would keep your superstars (especially AD) fresh come playoff time.

we don't really know what happened behind the scenes between the FO and Howard's agent, so I'm not gonna play this game. my theory is it became a battle of egos between the two.

what I know for a fact is Dudley who is averaging 0.5 PPG is making the same amount as Dwight Howard.

My point, clearly it wasn't about money, so what was the hold up on signing the dude who earned his stay here? the FO decided to play games with Howard so the guy had to move on.


we could've kept howard and mcgee or at least one and still sign Trez.

Especially the first Day, first press conference, AD told them and stated publicly, HE DID NOT WANT TO PLAY THE 5. Yet our moves have shoved and forced AD into the spot he didn't want to go. And now, he's injured from all that bangin
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Post#509 » by kblo247 » Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:23 am

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chefy wrote:we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one. His stats wasn't the greatest but given minutes McGee produced in the RS. Just look at his 2018-2019 stats when he was our full time center.

My point is Having him as a 3rd center was a luxury behind AD/Howard. You gotta have players like Mcgee/Howard that would keep your superstars (especially AD) fresh come playoff time.

we don't really know what happened behind the scenes between the FO and Howard's agent, so I'm not gonna play this game. my theory is it became a battle of egos between the two.

what I know for a fact is Dudley who is averaging 0.5 PPG is making the same amount as Dwight Howard.

My point, clearly it wasn't about money, so what was the hold up on signing the dude who earned his stay here? the FO decided to play games with Howard so the guy had to move on.

The hold up is order of operations. It’s why Kieff went last with a raise. In order to give Kieff the raise and sign Marcthey had to do two exemptions, then trade Javale who opted in, cut Cooks current deal, buyout Bell, and then Give Marc his two years. And they had to give Marc too because Toronto offered more, so they schemed the system for even if he retires after this year he gets paid next year like with Duncan’s last deal. Then they gave Kieff his 20 percent for waiting and not going to the clippers or anywhere else.

we could've kept howard and mcgee or at least one and still sign Trez.

Especially the first Day, first press conference, AD told them and stated publicly, HE DID NOT WANT TO PLAY THE 5. Yet our moves have shoved and forced AD into the spot he didn't want to go. And now, he's injured from all that bangin


My opinion is had Javale not opted into that 4 mil, they cut Cook. They sign Marc, Trez, and Wes. They bring Javale back over Dwight with a guaranteed min and they bring Kieff back with his raise.

If the option was Kieff vs Dwight or Javale, it’s not a choice ... you pick Kieff. There’s no scenario where you keep Javale on his deal and give Kieff his raise. There is no scenario where you give Dwight the 20 percent raise like he wanted by shedding Javale and then don’t Kieff a raise as Howard didn’t take a two year flat vet min like Marc. If it’s Kieff or those two you pick Kieran because Kieff in the playoffs next to AD is what won you the title not Dwight and not Javale, and they aren’t close. That’s like saying bring Samaki and Madden back but let Horry walk
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Post#510 » by Kilroy » Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:07 am

And now Dudley has an MCL tear... I wonder how long he'll be out and if it'll warrant an exception of some kind?
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Post#511 » by kblo247 » Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:34 am

Kilroy wrote:And now Dudley has an MCL tear... I wonder how long he'll be out and if it'll warrant an exception of some kind?

I doubt he gets you an exemption. What he can get you along with McKinney, Wes Matthews, and our cash to buy Wes and Duds out is PJ Tucker. Dud get bought out and becomes a coach or broadcaster by retiring and staying near the lakers in an official role. Wes gets to pick his playoff team with stable minutes after realizing this role didn’t work for him like Troy Daniels. Houston gets a cheap bench player for 2 1/2 years. Tucker gets out of Houston. Lakers bolster their bench and use whatever they have left to offer a prorated vet min to some big be it Whtieside, McGee (if you win at Houston and offer up picks for them to trade for and release him), or Drummond

Lakers could also just pawn off Dudley and McKinney on Sacramento for Whiteside along with cash and create some cap space for themselves too
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Post#512 » by iamworthy » Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:19 pm

AD quotes about playing the 5:

“I like playing the four, I’m not even going to sugarcoat it. I like playing the four, I don’t really like playing the five,” Davis said with a chuckle, before looking over at head coach Frank Vogel and revealing that even if he’s willing to wield his power, he considers this to be an oligarchy rather than a dictatorship.

“But if it comes down to it, Coach, and you need me to play the five, I’ll play the five,” Davis said.

“I’m ready to do whatever the team wants. We got Trezz and Marc who can play the five, but there’s going to be games where I have to play the five. Me and coach talked about it, so I’m prepared to do that,” Davis said. “He’s going to be smart about when to do it, but it’s always a conversation.

Davis’ hesitancy to play the 5 has been a season-long storyline, but after the Lakers’ 110-100 win, Davis downplayed how serious of a concern it is for him at this point.

“It’s the playoffs man, I don’t really care where I play to be honest,” Davis told reporters on Zoom.


AD seems to only have an issue with playing the 5 in the regular season, come playoffs he's ready to go. This year AD has played 88% of his minutes at the 4 and 12% at the 5. Which means he's probably only plays the 5 late on the 4th. I think the Lakers are really milking his injury because honestly there's no real reason to bring him back yet. Lakers have the 5th best record in the league and are 3rd in the West, 3 games behind Utah. I think we will sign another center because Trez clearly struggles against taller guys that he can't move.
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Post#513 » by tamaraw08 » Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:09 pm

iamworthy wrote:
AD quotes about playing the 5:

“I like playing the four, I’m not even going to sugarcoat it. I like playing the four, I don’t really like playing the five,” Davis said with a chuckle, before looking over at head coach Frank Vogel and revealing that even if he’s willing to wield his power, he considers this to be an oligarchy rather than a dictatorship.

“But if it comes down to it, Coach, and you need me to play the five, I’ll play the five,” Davis said.

“I’m ready to do whatever the team wants. We got Trezz and Marc who can play the five, but there’s going to be games where I have to play the five. Me and coach talked about it, so I’m prepared to do that,” Davis said. “He’s going to be smart about when to do it, but it’s always a conversation.

Davis’ hesitancy to play the 5 has been a season-long storyline, but after the Lakers’ 110-100 win, Davis downplayed how serious of a concern it is for him at this point.

“It’s the playoffs man, I don’t really care where I play to be honest,” Davis told reporters on Zoom.


AD seems to only have an issue with playing the 5 in the regular season, come playoffs he's ready to go. This year AD has played 88% of his minutes at the 4 and 12% at the 5. Which means he's probably only plays the 5 late on the 4th. I think the Lakers are really milking his injury because honestly there's no real reason to bring him back yet. Lakers have the 5th best record in the league and are 3rd in the West, 3 games behind Utah. I think we will sign another center because Trez clearly struggles against taller guys that he can't move.


I pray to God that you are right about this, that AD is okay bec I have a bad feeling that AD signed the MAX allowable bec he has a chronic injury. I am not saying he'll likely be out the rest of the year but that his condition might linger and would need a lot of games missed and minutes restrictions if he does play.
Many NBA experts speculated before that it would make sense for AD to just sign a 1+1 or 2+1 deal to see what will happen to the 38 yr old Lebron and the Lakers team, 2 years from now and go from there but AD surprised almost everybody that opting for a secured guaranteed deal REGARDLESS of what would happen.
The question is, if AD would be very limited, or worse, would not play the rest of the year, should the Lakers go all in interms for going after another player like Sabonis or even Turner who who is a great rim protector? Drummond?
How many pieces are they willing to give up? THT, Caruso,Kuz,KCP,Schroder?
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Post#514 » by iamworthy » Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:14 pm

Per Cham's article notes from his tweet, Lakers are in play for PJ Tucker. I don't have a subscription so I couldn't read the article.
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Post#515 » by BEazy » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:11 pm

We’re probably going to land Tucker and Whiteside and call it a day. Got a feeling Knicks are going to trade for Drummond. I have no doubt Cleveland will not help us.
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Post#516 » by kblo247 » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:18 pm

ScHoolBoy B wrote:We’re probably going to land Tucker and Whiteside and call it a day. Got a feeling Knicks are going to trade for Drummond. I have no doubt Cleveland will not help us.

Cleveland would be smart to trade him to the knicks. No team can offer the cavs the chance to try out more guys on expiring, save money, and possibly give them an asset to move Love outside NY.

They can easily do Noel, Rivers, Bullock, and Ntilikina with seconds for Drummond. The Cavs would save 10 mil overalll which is better than a buyout. They get to try out 4 guys. Drummond goes to the knicks to play with Randle, Barret, and for a hard ass coach while keeping his bird rights so he can stay a Knick or be signed and traded this summer.

They can then use those picks, cash, and some of the youth to try and flip Love to someone
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Post#517 » by reamily » Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:39 pm

Gotta love our mental toughness during these times. Hopefully any player that we add thru trade or buyouts, will buy in to the same mindset. Its not like back then when Lebron got all talent in cleveland and still struggled their way upto playoffs. All we need is 4 scorers, kuzma e ploding here and then is a bonus but being on page defensively as a team is the key to our success.Thats why people wanted a shotblocker to complete the teams defensive machine.
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Post#518 » by Beethoven » Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:03 pm

I dont get why any team would help out another team trying to trade a big contract. Just force them to do a buyout and get him on the cheap. Doesnt make sense when San antonio says "we are agreeing to separate, so we are looking for a trade scenario" or , toronto says "we want to gift Lowry to go any place he wants to go, so we will work a trade w that team"

If you make those plans public, why would anyone out there want to help you out? It would be in your best interest to low ball the team and force them to buy him out.
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Post#519 » by kblo247 » Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:30 pm

Beethoven wrote:I dont get why any team would help out another team trying to trade a big contract. Just force them to do a buyout and get him on the cheap. Doesnt make sense when San antonio says "we are agreeing to separate, so we are looking for a trade scenario" or , toronto says "we want to gift Lowry to go any place he wants to go, so we will work a trade w that team"

If you make those plans public, why would anyone out there want to help you out? It would be in your best interest to low ball the team and force them to buy him out.


Bird rights matter. It just ain’t about helping the team sending them out. If you are the Knicks you trade for Drummond because you get his rights and can pay him the most to stay or can sign and trade him somewhere.

Any team would be in a much better spot trading for them as opposed to getting a Lowry on a buyout because they don’t have to worry about shedding salary, asking him to play for a small exemption or something the summer once the playoffs are over.

You can point to Blake and say he signed for minimum and oh well the Pistons are going to be paying him so he should be willing to take less money, but that’s a slippery slope to start off talking with an agent about.

Now the Cletics are by far the stupid test in all of this. They have a 27mil trade exemption that could absorb Aldridge or Drummond for picks. They say they want these guys and are going to go after them but won’t even offer a second rounder for them when they can have them ... and that’s why Ainge and Boston are a joke.

The nets have an exemption and disabled player exception they can use to sign a buyout which means they have the most money on the market and that matters ... we had the most money on the market this time least year which is why Kieff was signed with that disabled exception
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Post#520 » by TylersLakers » Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:41 pm

This won't be a popular take, but I think we should be willing to trade THT to get PJ Tucker if the Rockets give us permission to talk to his representatives to negotiate an extension. If Tucker is willing to sign a 2-year extension at around the same number he is now or a little less, I'd be willing to give up THT. Because this summer, we're going to basically have to choose between THT or Caruso. And I'd choose Caruso every day of the week. THT will probably end up becoming the better player, but what Caruso brings to the table over the next 2-3 years is what's important.

So here's the trade I make:

- THT, Wes Matthews, McKinnie to Houston for PJ Tucker
- Trade Markieff Morris to the Celtics for a small piece of their trade exception. Get back a future 2nd
- Sign a buyout guy: preferably Ariza
- Still a few other roster spots left to fill out the roster, but that is a dynamite 10-man rotation if we choose to go with 10 in the playoffs (we won't). Could you imagine a closing line-up of Schroder/Caruso/LeBron/Tucker/AD? Good luck scoring against that.

PG: Schroder/Caruso/
SG: KCP/Ariza/
SF: LeBron/Kuzma/
PF: Davis/Tucker/Dudley
C: Gasol/Harrell/
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