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Re: Lakers offseason 2023 

Post#501 » by Colbinii » Fri Jul 7, 2023 2:02 am

zuju wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
zuju wrote:Max Christie vs Loonie Walker (Better defensively but no competition to Loonie in terms of scoring)
Anthony Davis vs Anthony Davis (Same barring injuries)
Rui Hachimura vs Rui Hachimura (Same or a little improvement ?)
Jaxson Hayes vs Mo Bamba (A least Hayes is healthy to play and provide 10-15 quality minutes?)
Jalen Hood-Schifino vs Shaquille Harrison (3rd string pg, wouldn't see much minutes anyway unless JHS shows promise from the get go)
LeBron James vs LeBron James (Declined further but healthier)
Maxwell Lewis vs Max Christie (Non factor at the bench)
Taurean Prince vs Wenyen Gabriel (Less toughness/ rebound/ protection in the paint, much better 3 point shooting)
Austin Reaves vs Austin Reaves (Same or a little improvement ?)
Cam Reddish vs Troy Brown Jr. (Don't know what to expect from Cam :lol:, less of a 3 point shooter than Brown )
D'Angelo Russell vs D'Angelo Russell (Expect the same Dlo)
Jarred Vanderbilt vs Jarred Vanderbilt (Same or a little improvement ?)
Gabe Vincent vs Dennis Schröder (Very Debatable)


Who vs Tristan Thompson
Who vs Malik Beasley


Do you think the lakers is better on paper this season or worse ?


As highlighted above, those are the players who I think will be better to varying degrees.

Christie has potential to be useful throughout an entire series, rather than an entire quarter.
I would hope for a healthy AD this season.
Rui was phenomenal in the post-season scoring [similar to 2020 AD, unsustainable] but has shown the tools to grow defensively.
Don't expect much from Hayes, and much is more than what Bamba provided.
This is the first team LeBron has stayed with for 5-straight seasons since 2008 LeBron James :o
Skip Lewis/Christie
Prince doesn't have the overlap with Vanderbilt which Gabriel had
Reaves is the best player here :wink:
I don't have hopes for Reddish
LA got the annual "Dlo hot stretch". Expect lower numbers over the course of the regular season, but maybe he starts to care about winning a championship at all costs for the first time in his career.
Vincent is a modern day Mario Chalmers.


Hopefully Christie can enter into roatation and contribute. He plays well in the summer league. Played within his role and flow with nice defence. He may not be a dpark off bench though without the aggressiveness to score.

Prince cannot be that small ball 5 Gabriel was for us. I think Vando will be our part time small ball 5. Not a good take for me. Prince will give us another 3&D against the bigger teams which is much needed.

Rui cooled down a bit against thr dubs and in WCF. Maybe he can keep that productivity?

If Ham learned to preserve AD and LBJ for healthy postseason, they shall at least make noise in the playoff or even contend for the title.


How was my Prince take not good?

Prince is a completely different player than Vando/Gabriel. Gabriel/Vando are both 5's offensively since they can't shoot. Prince is a good shooter.

That is why I said Prince doesn't overlap with Vando like Gabriel did...
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Re: Lakers offseason 2023 

Post#502 » by Showtime:Part2 » Fri Jul 7, 2023 4:30 am

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I’m just messin :D
Warspite:

Prince + filler for Kobe Bryant
To be honest the way Prince has played and with Kobes injury/age/mileage Im not sure I would do that deal either. Still Prince is more important and he wins the head to head battles with Kobe.
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Re: Lakers offseason 2023 

Post#503 » by MAMBAEMD » Fri Jul 7, 2023 4:55 am

Showtime:Part2 wrote:Image

I’m just messin :D


That wasn't right :)
Some of us are old and have heart disease. :lol:
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Re: Lakers offseason 2023 

Post#504 » by zuju » Fri Jul 7, 2023 6:48 am

Colbinii wrote:
zuju wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
As highlighted above, those are the players who I think will be better to varying degrees.

Christie has potential to be useful throughout an entire series, rather than an entire quarter.
I would hope for a healthy AD this season.
Rui was phenomenal in the post-season scoring [similar to 2020 AD, unsustainable] but has shown the tools to grow defensively.
Don't expect much from Hayes, and much is more than what Bamba provided.
This is the first team LeBron has stayed with for 5-straight seasons since 2008 LeBron James :o
Skip Lewis/Christie
Prince doesn't have the overlap with Vanderbilt which Gabriel had
Reaves is the best player here :wink:
I don't have hopes for Reddish
LA got the annual "Dlo hot stretch". Expect lower numbers over the course of the regular season, but maybe he starts to care about winning a championship at all costs for the first time in his career.
Vincent is a modern day Mario Chalmers.


Hopefully Christie can enter into roatation and contribute. He plays well in the summer league. Played within his role and flow with nice defence. He may not be a dpark off bench though without the aggressiveness to score.

Prince cannot be that small ball 5 Gabriel was for us. I think Vando will be our part time small ball 5. Not a good take for me. Prince will give us another 3&D against the bigger teams which is much needed.

Rui cooled down a bit against thr dubs and in WCF. Maybe he can keep that productivity?

If Ham learned to preserve AD and LBJ for healthy postseason, they shall at least make noise in the playoff or even contend for the title.


How was my Prince take not good?

Prince is a completely different player than Vando/Gabriel. Gabriel/Vando are both 5's offensively since they can't shoot. Prince is a good shooter.

That is why I said Prince doesn't overlap with Vando like Gabriel did...


I was not meaning prince not good.

Vando was wiry. He is just not strong and big enough to be a small ball 5. His best game is perimeter defence and as big wing defender. Offensively, he can only dunk or cut like GP3.
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Re: Lakers offseason 2023 

Post#505 » by DanishLakerFan » Fri Jul 7, 2023 7:24 am

Showtime:Part2 wrote:Image

I’m just messin :D


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Re: Lakers offseason 2023 

Post#506 » by Ball so hard » Fri Jul 7, 2023 1:03 pm

PedroFlu wrote:
LAKESHOW wrote:This what I've been saying about Size. We've got AD. After AD Jaxson Hayes. We all knowAD ain't lasting the whole season. Meaning we will be goin into this with an untested gun, when AD inevitably goes down. Now if you have strong faith that hayes is all we need, fine. If not?


Yep, this doesn't make a lot of sense. They are betting high on a project to replace AD when needed - that's the most sensitive question in the entire roster.

This tells me they'll simply keep relying and believeing in small ball and forwards playing as centers when AD is resting or unavabilable. That's what Ham does, and always did. Stubborn af.


Most of the league does this… as i’ve said a few times now, using valuable resources on centers is largely a waste. None of the names being mentioned here would play much, barring an injury to AD. I’m in favor of targeting an over the hill big on the buyout market.
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Re: Lakers offseason 2023 

Post#507 » by Showtime:Part2 » Fri Jul 7, 2023 3:11 pm

Ball so hard wrote:
PedroFlu wrote:
LAKESHOW wrote:This what I've been saying about Size. We've got AD. After AD Jaxson Hayes. We all knowAD ain't lasting the whole season. Meaning we will be goin into this with an untested gun, when AD inevitably goes down. Now if you have strong faith that hayes is all we need, fine. If not?


Yep, this doesn't make a lot of sense. They are betting high on a project to replace AD when needed - that's the most sensitive question in the entire roster.

This tells me they'll simply keep relying and believeing in small ball and forwards playing as centers when AD is resting or unavabilable. That's what Ham does, and always did. Stubborn af.


Most of the league does this… as i’ve said a few times now, using valuable resources on centers is largely a waste. None of the names being mentioned here would play much, barring an injury to AD. I’m in favor of targeting an over the hill big on the buyout market.



Brother this is a bad take on many levels. Stat muse for some reason isn’t accurate when you look up team record without ad (doesn’t seem to have games like the loss to rockets in march). But I can tell you without doubt without a rebounding/weak side defensive guard like Westbrook (one of his few good qualities), we won’t beat the lowest of the low teams with ad sitting and bron/rui playing the 5. Other teams will just throw in an nba level 5 (not Hayes) and eat us alive. They won’t play small against us. Also, IF ad gets injured? Lol right and I found a way around death and taxes
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Prince + filler for Kobe Bryant

To be honest the way Prince has played and with Kobes injury/age/mileage Im not sure I would do that deal either. Still Prince is more important and he wins the head to head battles with Kobe.
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Re: Lakers offseason 2023 

Post#508 » by loveshaq786 » Fri Jul 7, 2023 6:48 pm

siakim or OG should be a focus

reeves, D'Angelo, vando .... siakim and gradey


D'Angelo and vando for OG and Thaddeus ... Toronto saves a lot of money
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Re: Lakers offseason 2023 

Post#509 » by tleikheen » Fri Jul 7, 2023 7:02 pm

Lakers need a big the most and they should be all over getting Bol Bol 7'2" . Bol Bol started 32 games straight for Orlando when Carter was hurt and played
Avged 27 mpg ,shooting 58 percent (162/278) FG and 39 percent (24/62) 3P and 74 percent (46/62) FT
Avged 12.4 ppg/7.1 rpg with 45 blocks in 32 starts

For any other 23 yr old other than Bol Bol Laker fans would be all over getting him if they could .
If you thought his play caused him to lose his starting position ,it wasnt. Magic are locked into Carter ,Banchero,Wagner frontline.
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Re: Lakers offseason 2023 

Post#510 » by Ball so hard » Fri Jul 7, 2023 7:23 pm

Showtime:Part2 wrote:
Ball so hard wrote:
PedroFlu wrote:
Yep, this doesn't make a lot of sense. They are betting high on a project to replace AD when needed - that's the most sensitive question in the entire roster.

This tells me they'll simply keep relying and believeing in small ball and forwards playing as centers when AD is resting or unavabilable. That's what Ham does, and always did. Stubborn af.


Most of the league does this… as i’ve said a few times now, using valuable resources on centers is largely a waste. None of the names being mentioned here would play much, barring an injury to AD. I’m in favor of targeting an over the hill big on the buyout market.



Brother this is a bad take on many levels. Stat muse for some reason isn’t accurate when you look up team record without ad (doesn’t seem to have games like the loss to rockets in march). But I can tell you without doubt without a rebounding/weak side defensive guard like Westbrook (one of his few good qualities), we won’t beat the lowest of the low teams with ad sitting and bron/rui playing the 5. Other teams will just throw in an nba level 5 (not Hayes) and eat us alive. They won’t play small against us. Also, IF ad gets injured? Lol right and I found a way around death and taxes


Your post has almost nothing to do with anything I said.
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Re: Lakers offseason 2023 

Post#511 » by loveshaq786 » Fri Jul 7, 2023 7:47 pm

tleikheen wrote:Lakers need a big the most and they should be all over getting Bol Bol 7'2" . Bol Bol started 32 games straight for Orlando when Carter was hurt and played
Avged 27 mpg ,shooting 58 percent (162/278) FG and 39 percent (24/62) 3P and 74 percent (46/62) FT
Avged 12.4 ppg/7.1 rpg with 45 blocks in 32 starts

For any other 23 yr old other than Bol Bol Laker fans would be all over getting him if they could .
If you thought his play caused him to lose his starting position ,it wasnt. Magic are locked into Carter ,Banchero,Wagner frontline.



I agree .... BOL BOL should have already been signed
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Re: Lakers offseason 2023 

Post#512 » by heezyo2o » Fri Jul 7, 2023 8:21 pm

Bamba signed for the minimum. I would have rather had Bamba over Bol Bol.

Even with Embiid, the 76ers always make sure to have a decent backup. Horford, dwight, drummond, Bamba. Size used to be a common theme with the Lakers, but they have gone away from that some after Javale/Dwight, Gasol/Drummond then Dwight/Deandre
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Re: Lakers offseason 2023 

Post#513 » by heezyo2o » Fri Jul 7, 2023 8:32 pm

Did Pippen Jr develop some. I thought people were saying he had potential last year. Guess no room on the Lakers after drafting Jalen Hood
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Re: Lakers offseason 2023 

Post#514 » by heezyo2o » Fri Jul 7, 2023 9:40 pm

Some other center options are Dario Saric, Biyombo, Willie Cauley-Stein, Dedmon. Unless they signed...should all be UFA
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Re: Lakers offseason 2023 

Post#515 » by loveshaq786 » Fri Jul 7, 2023 10:27 pm

loveshaq786 wrote:siakim or OG should be a focus

reeves, D'Angelo, vando .... siakim and gradey


D'Angelo and vando for OG and Thaddeus ... Toronto saves a lot of money


also D'Angelo for Trent jr.... straight up
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Re: Lakers offseason 2023 

Post#516 » by xinxin » Sun Jul 9, 2023 12:16 pm

So
There’s a post on the clippers board that they think the clips as constructed will still own the lakers.


In fact, the poster said he’s hoping that the 2 teams meet in the playoffs = easy win.


True?


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Re: Lakers offseason 2023 

Post#517 » by hoosierdaddy34 » Sun Jul 9, 2023 5:11 pm

xinxin wrote:So
There’s a post on the clippers board that they think the clips as constructed will still own the lakers.


In fact, the poster said he’s hoping that the 2 teams meet in the playoffs = easy win.


True?


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The clippers remain the most mentally weak team in the league. They don’t have what it takes, the culture is rotting from the inside. They need a total reset but they have hampered any sort of ability to push the reset button because they have nothing left to rebuild with.
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Re: Lakers offseason 2023 

Post#518 » by danfantastk32 » Sun Jul 9, 2023 10:16 pm

xinxin wrote:So
There’s a post on the clippers board that they think the clips as constructed will still own the lakers.


In fact, the poster said he’s hoping that the 2 teams meet in the playoffs = easy win.


True?


Firstly, nobody cares about that team, or their fans.

The Lakers need to care about moving AD while his value has gone back up. It's one dumb injury away from being in the toilet again. Prob forever this time. That other team really aughta worry about their own stars as well. Go get 70 games from one of your stars, before you worry about the postseason, and who you're playing.
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Re: Lakers offseason 2023 

Post#519 » by LAKESHOW » Sun Jul 9, 2023 10:25 pm

xinxin wrote:So
There’s a post on the clippers board that they think the clips as constructed will still own the lakers.


In fact, the poster said he’s hoping that the 2 teams meet in the playoffs = easy win.


True?


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Funny part?
We had no idea, stumbled the whole year, caught a streak, and against all prognostications, went western finals.
The clippers? They were crying, begging, wishing, with many praying to make it to the WCFinals. And after they accomplished that mission, they were joyous with that accomplishment, and are already thinking of breaking up the band fed up with pg, kawhi and all their bulls**.
Theres 2 different levels to these 2 organizations.
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Re: Lakers offseason 2023 

Post#520 » by wco81 » Sun Jul 9, 2023 11:45 pm

danfantastk32 wrote:
xinxin wrote:So
There’s a post on the clippers board that they think the clips as constructed will still own the lakers.


In fact, the poster said he’s hoping that the 2 teams meet in the playoffs = easy win.


True?


Firstly, nobody cares about that team, or their fans.

The Lakers need to care about moving AD while his value has gone back up. It's one dumb injury away from being in the toilet again. Prob forever this time. That other team really aughta worry about their own stars as well. Go get 70 games from one of your stars, before you worry about the postseason, and who you're playing.



I believe AD is due for a 3 year extension soon, something like $157 million if not more.

Did he make all-NBA or all-defense the last couple of seasons?

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