Official trade thread/buy-out market 20-21 edition

[Beethoven]

I dont get why any team would help out another team trying to trade a big contract. Just force them to do a buyout and get him on the cheap. Doesnt make sense when San antonio says "we are agreeing to separate, so we are looking for a trade scenario" or , toronto says "we want to gift Lowry to go any place he wants to go, so we will work a trade w that team"

If you make those plans public, why would anyone out there want to help you out? It would be in your best interest to low ball the team and force them to buy him out.

Bird rights matter. It just ain’t about helping the team sending them out. If you are the Knicks you trade for Drummond because you get his rights and can pay him the most to stay or can sign and trade him somewhere.

Any team would be in a much better spot trading for them as opposed to getting a Lowry on a buyout because they don’t have to worry about shedding salary, asking him to play for a small exemption or something the summer once the playoffs are over.

You can point to Blake and say he signed for minimum and oh well the Pistons are going to be paying him so he should be willing to take less money, but that’s a slippery slope to start off talking with an agent about.

Now the Cletics are by far the stupid test in all of this. They have a 27mil trade exemption that could absorb Aldridge or Drummond for picks. They say they want these guys and are going to go after them but won’t even offer a second rounder for them when they can have them ... and that’s why Ainge and Boston are a joke.

The nets have an exemption and disabled player exception they can use to sign a buyout which means they have the most money on the market and that matters ... we had the most money on the market this time least year which is why Kieff was signed with that disabled exception

Ok , just stop.. you had me at 'bird rights' . lol kidding , yeah i forgot about that.

[Beethoven]

This won't be a popular take, but I think we should be willing to trade THT to get PJ Tucker if the Rockets give us permission to talk to his representatives to negotiate an extension. If Tucker is willing to sign a 2-year extension at around the same number he is now or a little less, I'd be willing to give up THT. Because this summer, we're going to basically have to choose between THT or Caruso. And I'd choose Caruso every day of the week. THT will probably end up becoming the better player, but what Caruso brings to the table over the next 2-3 years is what's important.

This is what I have been saying all along. I like THT but the kid won't help us this year or perhaps the next . We need battle-tested players to get us through the playoffs

[LAKESHOW]

THT? Youngsters don't win championships. If we have to, we gotta do it

[TylersLakers]

This won't be a popular take, but I think we should be willing to trade THT to get PJ Tucker if the Rockets give us permission to talk to his representatives to negotiate an extension. If Tucker is willing to sign a 2-year extension at around the same number he is now or a little less, I'd be willing to give up THT. Because this summer, we're going to basically have to choose between THT or Caruso. And I'd choose Caruso every day of the week. THT will probably end up becoming the better player, but what Caruso brings to the table over the next 2-3 years is what's important.

This is what I have been saying all along. I like THT but the kid won't help us this year or perhaps the next . We need battle-tested players to get us through the playoffs

Yup, totally agree man. Every playoff team cuts it's rotation to basically 7.5 or 8 guys and ours is clearly set.

Schroder, KCP, LeBron, AD, Gasol (.5), Kuzma, Caruso, Harrell (.5) - Having PJ Tucker to take Gasol's spot in series where he's not needed and not have to rely on Harrell would be the smart thing.

I can't get over the amount of great line-ups we have with him on the floor. He definitely has a lot more juice than what he's showed so far - and more importantly, here he doesn't need to bang with C's down low with AD and Harrell in the rotation. He can slide over to being a wing defender and an excellent rotation guy. He slides in and fits so perfectly here.

[kblo247]

This won't be a popular take, but I think we should be willing to trade THT to get PJ Tucker if the Rockets give us permission to talk to his representatives to negotiate an extension. If Tucker is willing to sign a 2-year extension at around the same number he is now or a little less, I'd be willing to give up THT. Because this summer, we're going to basically have to choose between THT or Caruso. And I'd choose Caruso every day of the week. THT will probably end up becoming the better player, but what Caruso brings to the table over the next 2-3 years is what's important.

This is what I have been saying all along. I like THT but the kid won't help us this year or perhaps the next . We need battle-tested players to get us through the playoffs

Yup, totally agree man. Every playoff team cuts it's rotation to basically 7.5 or 8 guys and ours is clearly set.

Schroder, KCP, LeBron, AD, Gasol (.5), Kuzma, Caruso, Harrell (.5) - Having PJ Tucker to take Gasol's spot in series where he's not needed and not have to rely on Harrell would be the smart thing.

I can't get over the amount of great line-ups we have with him on the floor. He definitely has a lot more juice than what he's showed so far - and more importantly, here he doesn't need to bang with C's down low with AD and Harrell in the rotation. He can slide over to being a wing defender and an excellent rotation guy. He slides in and fits so perfectly here.

They are going to use markieff as well as you see he produces in his starts just like last playoffs.

Now last year all we basically did was use 10 in round 1 because Rondo didn’t play, but the whole rotation was cut down like you said when Rondo returned for the last 3 rounds. I can’t lie part of me would be so at peace with Dudley, Wes, and McKinney for Rondo lol to run the second unit and get the ball to AD.

I do not see Wes or THT playing in the playoffs. Now maybe one of them cements themselves before the deadline and AD returns, but so far neither has handled their role all that well

[iamworthy]

This won't be a popular take, but I think we should be willing to trade THT to get PJ Tucker if the Rockets give us permission to talk to his representatives to negotiate an extension. If Tucker is willing to sign a 2-year extension at around the same number he is now or a little less, I'd be willing to give up THT. Because this summer, we're going to basically have to choose between THT or Caruso. And I'd choose Caruso every day of the week. THT will probably end up becoming the better player, but what Caruso brings to the table over the next 2-3 years is what's important.

So here's the trade I make:

- THT, Wes Matthews, McKinnie to Houston for PJ Tucker
- Trade Markieff Morris to the Celtics for a small piece of their trade exception. Get back a future 2nd
- Sign a buyout guy: preferably Ariza
- Still a few other roster spots left to fill out the roster, but that is a dynamite 10-man rotation if we choose to go with 10 in the playoffs (we won't). Could you imagine a closing line-up of Schroder/Caruso/LeBron/Tucker/AD? Good luck scoring against that.

PG: Schroder/Caruso/
SG: KCP/Ariza/
SF: LeBron/Kuzma/
PF: Davis/Tucker/Dudley
C: Gasol/Harrell/

[tamaraw08]

This won't be a popular take, but I think we should be willing to trade THT to get PJ Tucker if the Rockets give us permission to talk to his representatives to negotiate an extension. If Tucker is willing to sign a 2-year extension at around the same number he is now or a little less, I'd be willing to give up THT. Because this summer, we're going to basically have to choose between THT or Caruso. And I'd choose Caruso every day of the week. THT will probably end up becoming the better player, but what Caruso brings to the table over the next 2-3 years is what's important.

This is what I have been saying all along. I like THT but the kid won't help us this year or perhaps the next . We need battle-tested players to get us through the playoffs

Yup, totally agree man. Every playoff team cuts it's rotation to basically 7.5 or 8 guys and ours is clearly set.

Schroder, KCP, LeBron, AD, Gasol (.5), Kuzma, Caruso, Harrell (.5) - Having PJ Tucker to take Gasol's spot in series where he's not needed and not have to rely on Harrell would be the smart thing.

I can't get over the amount of great line-ups we have with him on the floor. He definitely has a lot more juice than what he's showed so far - and more importantly, here he doesn't need to bang with C's down low with AD and Harrell in the rotation. He can slide over to being a wing defender and an excellent rotation guy. He slides in and fits so perfectly here.

*Tucker is almost 36 yrs old, you really want him at 38?
+One of the Lakers greatest need is rim protection, he is listed at 6-5.
*Lakers also need a center who can guard prolific bigs like Jokic, I don't think he can do that.
*He looked good from the 3pt area last year but currently shoots under 32%. He shot great next to a great iso/passer in Harden but I'm not sure he'll get enough touches if he comes here.
*Yes, THT will not be needed in the coming playoffs but his value is still his upside---next 2 years IF he develops counter moves as most teams have adjusted to his attacks to the basket. I don't mind trading him along with other key pieces if the incoming player REALLY fills a need not just this year but the coming years WHEN AND NOT IF, Lebron slows down.
In the meantime Ill rather wait and hope they get a chance to fill their need from the buy out market. Drummond or Whiteside would be great. I wonder if Dedmon is working out to get in shape?

[Kilroy]

I get the emotional desire to get PJ Tucker, but I can't really understand the desire to give up anything of any value for him... If he could be had for a straight Mathews swap, I might do it, but throwing in anything else just makes it a bad trade...
Dude did very little in the post season last year, and is playing like a poor-man's Markeif Morris this season... Who does he take minutes from?
Is he really a better option that Gasol, Morris or Kuz? If not, why on earth would you want to trade anything of value for him?

Tossing in THT for filler is just insane.

[iamworthy]

I get the emotional desire to get PJ Tucker, but I can't really understand the desire to give up anything of any value for him... If he could be had for a straight Mathews swap, I might do it, but throwing in anything else just makes it a bad trade...
Dude did very little in the post season last year, and is playing like a poor-man's Markeif Morris this season... Who does he take minutes from?
Is he really a better option that Gasol, Morris or Kuz? If not, why on earth would you want to trade anything of value for him?

Tossing in THT for filler is just insane.

I agree with your post, I hope we can get him from the buyout market. I just think his toughness adds another dimension. The only way he plays in my eyes is if for some reason Gasol is not playable in the playoffs and we start AD at center. I would start PJ at the 4 and let kuz continue to thrive in his roll of the bench. I also think it's gotta be demoralizing watching James Harden dribble dribble dribble and shoot. I think he still has something in the tank but playing small ball center and not getting your share of touches would drive anyone crazy. He'd be much more involved in the offense playing with the Lakers.

[Ball so hard]

I get the emotional desire to get PJ Tucker, but I can't really understand the desire to give up anything of any value for him... If he could be had for a straight Mathews swap, I might do it, but throwing in anything else just makes it a bad trade...
Dude did very little in the post season last year, and is playing like a poor-man's Markeif Morris this season... Who does he take minutes from?
Is he really a better option that Gasol, Morris or Kuz? If not, why on earth would you want to trade anything of value for him?

Tossing in THT for filler is just insane.

Yeah trading from Tucker makes no sense. While i'm not as high on THT as some here, I wouldn't trade him for Tucker as I don't think Tucker fills our biggest need. We desperately need a mobile big that can offer some rim protection and catch some lobs.

Also agree with another poster, I do prefer Caruso to THT if we must decide between which of the two to keep.

[Kilroy]

I get the emotional desire to get PJ Tucker, but I can't really understand the desire to give up anything of any value for him... If he could be had for a straight Mathews swap, I might do it, but throwing in anything else just makes it a bad trade...
Dude did very little in the post season last year, and is playing like a poor-man's Markeif Morris this season... Who does he take minutes from?
Is he really a better option that Gasol, Morris or Kuz? If not, why on earth would you want to trade anything of value for him?

Tossing in THT for filler is just insane.

Yeah trading from Tucker makes no sense. While i'm not as high on THT as some here, I wouldn't trade him for Tucker as I don't think Tucker fills our biggest need. We desperately need a mobile big that can offer some rim protection and catch some lobs.

Also agree with another poster, I do prefer Caruso to THT if we must decide between which of the two to keep.

I'm a big Caruso fan... But you have to be careful with a player like AC, that the expectations don't overreach the abilities. So far, he's thrived in a low expectation high reward scenario. But if we start expecting more of him, he starts to look like an undersized defender with pretty much no offense. At 27, it's not like he's still developing into something more than what he is now... In fact, he's pretty much at his peak physically.
If I had to choose which to trade today, I might actually trade Caruso for those reasons. That said, we don't really 'have' to trade either one of them to get a player of PJ Tucker's caliber. We just need to watch the buyout market and there's bound to be something similar out there.

[iamworthy]

I don't know how true the miles turner trade is in the WT but if that's true THT, Caruso, or both are bringing offered... Probably

[Kilroy]

I don't know how true the miles turner trade is in the WT but if that's true THT, Caruso, or both are bringing offered... Probably

That trade is really hard to make work... THT and Caruso don't really move the needle from a money standpoint, and THT makes quite a bit less... This is the most palatable trade I can come up with that works, without including Schroder or Harrell.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7416086

But then again, if we're getting Myles Turner, why do we need Harrell?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7416087

Also seems to get it done...

It's a ballsy trade to make mid season, but Turner is a good player.

[iamworthy]

I don't know how true the miles turner trade is in the WT but if that's true THT, Caruso, or both are bringing offered... Probably

That trade is really hard to make work... THT and Caruso don't really move the needle from a money standpoint, and THT makes quite a bit less... This is the most palatable trade I can come up with that works, without including Schroder or Harrell.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7416086

But then again, if we're getting Myles Turner, why do we need Harrell?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7416087

Also seems to get it done...

It's a ballsy trade to make mid season, but Turner is a good player.

And you'd have your center to pair with AD for the coming years. I'd be hesitant, but is do the second deal you posted.

[Freighttrain]

I don't know how true the miles turner trade is in the WT but if that's true THT, Caruso, or both are bringing offered... Probably

That trade is really hard to make work... THT and Caruso don't really move the needle from a money standpoint, and THT makes quite a bit less... This is the most palatable trade I can come up with that works, without including Schroder or Harrell.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7416086

But then again, if we're getting Myles Turner, why do we need Harrell?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7416087

Also seems to get it done...

It's a ballsy trade to make mid season, but Turner is a good player.

And you'd have your center to pair with AD for the coming years. I'd be hesitant, but is do the second deal you posted.

That would deplete our depth. I wouldn't pull the trigger on both trades.

[Kilroy]

That trade is really hard to make work... THT and Caruso don't really move the needle from a money standpoint, and THT makes quite a bit less... This is the most palatable trade I can come up with that works, without including Schroder or Harrell.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7416086

But then again, if we're getting Myles Turner, why do we need Harrell?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7416087

Also seems to get it done...

It's a ballsy trade to make mid season, but Turner is a good player.

And you'd have your center to pair with AD for the coming years. I'd be hesitant, but is do the second deal you posted.

That would deplete our depth. I wouldn't pull the trigger on both trades.

It would... And I think Mathews could be a beast for us in the post season... But, at the same time... Myles Turner/AD/Schroder maybe Kuz Maybe THT for the future is pretty nice...

Then we're also coming up on the buyout market, for depth purposes...

All that said, I'd say a trade for Myles turner right now is extremely unlikely.

[LAKESHOW]

Weve ruined enough chemistry. Pelinka needs to wait for the market to open up. Our stable of guards is good enough. He just needs to fix the front line. Dwight or Mcgee would be better than where we currently stand. Just fix that without dumping all our championship experience, and enter into the playoffs with untried and untested pistols

[tamaraw08]

I get the emotional desire to get PJ Tucker, but I can't really understand the desire to give up anything of any value for him... If he could be had for a straight Mathews swap, I might do it, but throwing in anything else just makes it a bad trade...
Dude did very little in the post season last year, and is playing like a poor-man's Markeif Morris this season... Who does he take minutes from?
Is he really a better option that Gasol, Morris or Kuz? If not, why on earth would you want to trade anything of value for him?

Tossing in THT for filler is just insane.

Yeah trading from Tucker makes no sense. While i'm not as high on THT as some here, I wouldn't trade him for Tucker as I don't think Tucker fills our biggest need. We desperately need a mobile big that can offer some rim protection and catch some lobs.

Also agree with another poster, I do prefer Caruso to THT if we must decide between which of the two to keep.

I'm a big Caruso fan... But you have to be careful with a player like AC, that the expectations don't overreach the abilities. So far, he's thrived in a low expectation high reward scenario. But if we start expecting more of him, he starts to look like an undersized defender with pretty much no offense. At 27, it's not like he's still developing into something more than what he is now... In fact, he's pretty much at his peak physically.
If I had to choose which to trade today, I might actually trade Caruso for those reasons. That said, we don't really 'have' to trade either one of them to get a player of PJ Tucker's caliber. We just need to watch the buyout market and there's bound to be something similar out there.

To a point, I get now the logic of Vogel not playing Caruso more mins bec his tendency to get banged up easily and yes, I also get frustrated with his lack of offensive moves primarily not developing a pull up jumper etc. But I think it's possible that you are undervaluing the intangibles he brings to the team. Yes, he is not a very good PG, not a real threat etc but IMO, for the most part, he makes the "right plays" like properly rotating and drawing charges, go to the right spots on offense and not clog the lanes, dives and cuts when the situation calls for it, get a couple of offensive rebs, spotting open shooters and last but the the least, his ability to switch and defend 3 positions. During the Shaq/Kobe era, a few bemoaned and lashed out at Fisher's lack of offensive productions, some declared that he is the LEAST PRODUCTIVE starting PG ever to don a Laker jersey. But he was a key piece to find ways to contribute. PJ Brown was also not flashy and yet Riley loved to play him...

[tamaraw08]

And you'd have your center to pair with AD for the coming years. I'd be hesitant, but is do the second deal you posted.

That would deplete our depth. I wouldn't pull the trigger on both trades.

It would... And I think Mathews could be a beast for us in the post season... But, at the same time... Myles Turner/AD/Schroder maybe Kuz Maybe THT for the future is pretty nice...

Then we're also coming up on the buyout market, for depth purposes...

All that said, I'd say a trade for Myles turner right now is extremely unlikely.

I firmly believe Pelinka would only consider this trade scenarios if AD would not comeback this year or if he comes back that he'll be in strict minute restriction. I am not sure if he can be a great contributor on offense to fill the void of those missing players too, he shoots under 32% from 3, 13 pts/game seems underwhelming.
The buy out market would be very limited to replenish this team IMO.

[Freighttrain]

Those names Zach Lowe mentioned for us such as Redick or PJ Tucker seem nice, but I don't think we can outbid other teams without having to give up too much if we would have to trade for them, which is likely the case. I'd also rather wait for the buyout market and try to get those guys if they really want to land here. It basically feels like an arms race with Brooklyn at this moment, but I'm sure that other team in LA is going to pull some magic trade that will make them serious contenders again.