2018 Trade Ideas thread

[Trips71]

OK, how about this? Trade ID #7039138

3 way trade:
Lakers give: Lonzo, Kuz, Deng, and 1st round pick
Lakers get: Kawhi, Patty Mills

Spurs give: Kawhi, Mills
Spurs get: Lonzo, Kuz, Whiteside, 1st, 2nd

Miami give: Whiteside, 2nd round pick
Miami gets: Deng

Lakers get Kawhi without having to give up Ingram. They take on a sort of bad contract of Mills, but get rid of Deng. Still have room to sign free agents and resign Randle.

Spurs get two young and upcoming players, a 1st, a 2nd, and a serviceable player in Whiteside that will come off the books in two years

Miami saves 6+ million next year, and 9 million the next.

The Spurs will still want Ingram and there is not we can do about it.

I agree that they will still want Ingram, but that doesn't mean the Lakers have to say yes. I don't see any better offers that are realistic coming from other teams. People have mentioned Tatum and Jaylen Brown, but I don't think the Celtics do that deal.

[Pythagoras]

OK, how about this? Trade ID #7039138

3 way trade:
Lakers give: Lonzo, Kuz, Deng, and 1st round pick
Lakers get: Kawhi, Patty Mills

Spurs give: Kawhi, Mills
Spurs get: Lonzo, Kuz, Whiteside, 1st, 2nd

Miami give: Whiteside, 2nd round pick
Miami gets: Deng

Lakers get Kawhi without having to give up Ingram. They take on a sort of bad contract of Mills, but get rid of Deng. Still have room to sign free agents and resign Randle.

Spurs get two young and upcoming players, a 1st, a 2nd, and a serviceable player in Whiteside that will come off the books in two years

Miami saves 6+ million next year, and 9 million the next.

The Spurs will still want Ingram and there is not we can do about it.

I agree that they will still want Ingram, but that doesn't mean the Lakers have to say yes. I don't see any better offers that are realistic coming from other teams. People have mentioned Tatum and Jaylen Brown, but I don't think the Celtics do that deal.

There’s no way that the Spurs aren’t going to get good offers if they put Kawhi out there. Remember last off-season when PG did everything he could to torpedo his value and give the Lakers every advantage... And you STILL had teams lining up saying they’d be willing to take a shot.

Now consider that Kawhi is essentially the super saiyan version of PG...

[larry14r]

The Spurs will still want Ingram and there is not we can do about it.

I agree that they will still want Ingram, but that doesn't mean the Lakers have to say yes. I don't see any better offers that are realistic coming from other teams. People have mentioned Tatum and Jaylen Brown, but I don't think the Celtics do that deal.

There’s no way that the Spurs aren’t going to get good offers if they put Kawhi out there. Remember last off-season when PG did everything he could to torpedo his value and give the Lakers every advantage... And you STILL had teams lining up saying they’d be willing to take a shot.

Now consider that Kawhi is essentially the super saiyan version of PG...

Expect when it comes to the Lakers no one like us.

[Trips71]

The Spurs will still want Ingram and there is not we can do about it.

I agree that they will still want Ingram, but that doesn't mean the Lakers have to say yes. I don't see any better offers that are realistic coming from other teams. People have mentioned Tatum and Jaylen Brown, but I don't think the Celtics do that deal.

There’s no way that the Spurs aren’t going to get good offers if they put Kawhi out there. Remember last off-season when PG did everything he could to torpedo his value and give the Lakers every advantage... And you STILL had teams lining up saying they’d be willing to take a shot.

Now consider that Kawhi is essentially the super saiyan version of PG...

No doubt they will get offers, but how good the offers are is what I question. The returns for PG and Cousins (the last two star players I can think of being traded) were not huge. No one saw Oladipo turning out this good. I really wonder if the offers for Kawhi will be any good considering he is either hurt or disgruntled and the Spurs don't have as much leverage.

OR, it could be me and my wishful thinking...I just love the idea of Kawhi AND Ingram together.

[One Love]

Our focus right now should be rooting for UTAH to knock OKC out of the playoffs which would significantly increase the chance of us getting PG... Whiteside is trash & Cousins would need to take a HUGE discount to come to LA LA...

Lakeshow BABY...

[shakes0]

You have to be missing everything that's happening in the playoffs right now to even think of Whiteside as an option.

Why not? Every team needs a malcontent who routinely takes plays and even games off, right?

[shakes0]

Does anyone know Lonzo's summer work out plans? I know he is visiting his family overseas now, but has he said how he plans to attack this summer in terms of a workout plan?

[LeCalinou]

After watching the NBA change so much over the past decades, I have realized that "dream" scenarios are utterly stupid.
There have been only two moments where teams have completely gone from mediocre to extremely good in one summer:
- Lakers '96
- Miami '10

Everything else has been steady in-house improvement, smart drafting, good management etc. You cannot count on "what if".
So I'm taking the route of GOOD team-building.
The Lakers have shown competence at executive level evers since Magic Johnson came on board:
- They traded a decent player, who didn't fit (Russell)
- They got rid of Mozgov's contract
- They signed rental players that actually helped the team
- They traded useful veterans for valuable picks: remember, the Lakers didn't have any guarantee they would have ANY pick in the 2017 Draft. They needed luck to get the second pick, they turned late 1sts into Kuzma and Hart, who developed really nicely over the season.

So I think the Lakers are positioned to get 1 good free agent, the obvious choice would be Paul George. LA connexion, currently on an underachieving team, Magic already paid 500.000 to make sure George knew he would be appreciated.

For the rest of the roster, I'd say go with continuity and re-sign Randle: 4 years, 64 million seems decent to me. They're left with 10 million. Sign Nerlens Noel and Tyreke Evans as free agents that can rebuild their stock.
For romantic value, I'd go after Pau Gasol to finish his career in Los Angeles and then give him an executive (ambassador) job.

- Ball, Evans, Caruso
- George, Hart,
- Ingram, Hezonja, Cle pick
- Randle, Kuzma
- Noel, Gasol, Zubac

The current NBA is predicated on quality depth, interchanging players, mobile Centers. You obviously need superstars to win but goes waaaaay beyond that.
To me, that's a very strong 8 man rotation, a Center-by-committee approach, decent shooting (Paul George is now an efficient volume 3-point shooter) all over the board (except Noel and Zubac, everyone can shoot...).

Playing style ? The recipe is this - play run'n'gun the first 3 quarters, to make sure everyone is on the same page and loose, then turn the defense on in the 4th.
Everyone will be involved, the team doesn't peak too sun, they leave space for internal improvement...

What do you think ?

[LeCalinou]

And somehow Deng and his useless contract would still be on the roster. Wait for him to get really anxious about not playing in over a year, and he'll accept a buyout.
If not, keep him for another year and you have a trading chip just before you have to extend Ingram, so you can get a useful player back and go over the cap to pay Ingram.

[danfantastk32]

After watching the NBA change so much over the past decades, I have realized that "dream" scenarios are utterly stupid.
There have been only two moments where teams have completely gone from mediocre to extremely good in one summer:
- Lakers '96
- Miami '10

Been a few others I think:
08 Celtics
08 Lakers, for that matter
2014-15 Cavs (whenever Lebron came back)
2011 Clippers (whenever CP3 joined)
07-08 Hornets (Now Pelicans)
99-00 Blazers
Could we throw in the 2017-18 T-Wolves?
Gotta throw in the 6-ers this year as well
05 Heat
97-98 Spurs
2012 Nuggets
2014 Raptors
16-17 Rockets
13-14 Blazers

Not all are 'big signings' but there are several there that are. Some was coaches, some was youth finally growing into their own, and there are of course several combos.

Not saying I don't agree with your overall point...but I don't think the 'dream' is nearly as rare as you say.

[Slink]

Does anyone know Lonzo's summer work out plans? I know he is visiting his family overseas now, but has he said how he plans to attack this summer in terms of a workout plan?

Don't know specifics but here is a clue.

Ball and Kuzma will not participate in the Summer League this year, as Lakers President of Basketball Ops. Magic Johnson stated. In an exit interview, a reporter asked Magic Johnson on their status for the Vegas showdowns. He responded:

“We’re not gonna play [Lonzo] in the Summer League. Kyle Kuzma will not play in the Summer League either… We want those guys in the gym, working with weights, working on their game. They won’t be playing in the summer league.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/lakeshowlife.com/2018/04/15/los-angeles-lakers-lonzo-ball-kyle-kuzma-will-not-to-play-in-summer-league/amp/

[Spens1]

OK, how about this? Trade ID #7039138

3 way trade:
Lakers give: Lonzo, Kuz, Deng, and 1st round pick
Lakers get: Kawhi, Patty Mills

Spurs give: Kawhi, Mills
Spurs get: Lonzo, Kuz, Whiteside, 1st, 2nd

Miami give: Whiteside, 2nd round pick
Miami gets: Deng

Lakers get Kawhi without having to give up Ingram. They take on a sort of bad contract of Mills, but get rid of Deng. Still have room to sign free agents and resign Randle.

Spurs get two young and upcoming players, a 1st, a 2nd, and a serviceable player in Whiteside that will come off the books in two years

Miami saves 6+ million next year, and 9 million the next.

The Spurs will still want Ingram and there is not we can do about it.

yeah there is, wait a season and let him walk.

[LeCalinou]

After watching the NBA change so much over the past decades, I have realized that "dream" scenarios are utterly stupid.
There have been only two moments where teams have completely gone from mediocre to extremely good in one summer:
- Lakers '96
- Miami '10

Been a few others I think:
08 Celtics
08 Lakers, for that matter
2014-15 Cavs (whenever Lebron came back)
2011 Clippers (whenever CP3 joined)
07-08 Hornets (Now Pelicans)
99-00 Blazers
Could we throw in the 2017-18 T-Wolves?
Gotta throw in the 6-ers this year as well
05 Heat
97-98 Spurs
2012 Nuggets
2014 Raptors
16-17 Rockets
13-14 Blazers

Not all are 'big signings' but there are several there that are. Some was coaches, some was youth finally growing into their own, and there are of course several combos.

Not saying I don't agree with your overall point...but I don't think the 'dream' is nearly as rare as you say.

By "one summer" I meant FREE AGENCY.
I do talk in my post about internal improvement, good drafting - and I see that has happened with other teams. Everything else was with through trades.
Celtics - traded for Garnett + Allen, Cavs traded for Love (and already had Irving), Clippers - trade, Hornets - trade for Chandler ?, Hear - trade for Shaq and so on...

[Spens1]

Does anyone know Lonzo's summer work out plans? I know he is visiting his family overseas now, but has he said how he plans to attack this summer in terms of a workout plan?

Don't know specifics but here is a clue.

Ball and Kuzma will not participate in the Summer League this year, as Lakers President of Basketball Ops. Magic Johnson stated. In an exit interview, a reporter asked Magic Johnson on their status for the Vegas showdowns. He responded:

“We’re not gonna play [Lonzo] in the Summer League. Kyle Kuzma will not play in the Summer League either… We want those guys in the gym, working with weights, working on their game. They won’t be playing in the summer league.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/lakeshowlife.com/2018/04/15/los-angeles-lakers-lonzo-ball-kyle-kuzma-will-not-to-play-in-summer-league/amp/

said workout program better involve shooting drills everyday.

[Spens1]

Realistic good offseason for us?

Sign Paul George
Deal Luol Deng and not give up a major piece (even if it means taking some salary back, like a guy on a lower salary).
Resign Randle at 10-12 mill per year
Bring back KCP on a discount/sweetheart deal (maybe like MLE)
Sign Derrick Favours to a one year, big money deal
Sort out our depth (sign guys like Hezonja, backup P.G. etc on discount deals)


Favours-Kuzma-George-Ingram-Ball
Zubac-Randle-Hezonja-KCP-???

[Kilroy]

This is going to be like the 3rd time I've merged this thread... You're 'realistic' is another guy's 'offseason of redemption'... Use the thread that exists...
-Kilroy

[Dloading99]

I think all this Paul George stuff really needs to be thought out.

I don't like what I see in OKC the guy looks like he's lost some athleticscm and he would be great with us. but he would just be a catch and shoot shooting guard forward. I know he's a great defender now but he's only going to decline. and you can see in this series he's been getting cooked on defense but still scoring.

Lebron is Lebron a superstar who you sign and then say what do you want on this team. even though I know for a fact he's leaving Cleveland he'll be looking at teams like Portland and Houston before us.

With Brandon Ingram and Julius Randle we need to focus on our players and building our team. I'm not all about just signing Paul George to sign Paul George he's not a difference maker. the guy gives himself a nickname in the playoffs. he's just all about Paul George and look how Indiana is playing without him. he's not a team guy.

All I want this off season is Lebron James and Julius Randle Resigned. Thanks.

[Dr Aki]

guys, he's 27 yo

[LAKESHOW]

It's difficult to gauge randles price range, because though I see giant deficiencies in his game, I thought he played well enough and hard enough to earn a spot. But still I've seen some of the numbers thrown out there for Randle, and I just don't see that type of pay for a guy who can't shoot a 10 footer. But again, he's earned his spot. Just don't know how much. Secondly, it's difficult to gauge, because not 1 word, interest, anything has come from Magic.

[TheRealKaboom]

Lebron is Lebron a superstar who you sign and then say what do you want on this team. even though I know for a fact he's leaving Cleveland he'll be looking at teams like Portland and Houston before us.

Portland?

Wat.

They're the very definition of being capped out. Assuming Houston resigns CP3, they're capped out too. Everyone else is also **** capped out except for the Lakers and a handful of others. Wasn't that the point?