Confirmed: Frank Vogel has agreed to deal to become new head coach, Kidd will be assistant

slifersd · Post #561 » by **slifersd** » Thu May 9, 2019 6:25 pm

So now Rambis wants to coach and manage basketball operations?! lol. He's like the Lakers superman lol.

iamworthy · Post #562 » by **iamworthy** » Thu May 9, 2019 6:46 pm

I feel like we need a gif of Pelinka or Rambis stepping over Lue... :lol:

gts1 · Post #563 » by **gts1** » Thu May 9, 2019 7:12 pm

dockingsched wrote:
gts1 wrote:I think there is more to the story, it'll probably leak out that they whole 3 years vs 5 years deal was not the only hurdle, Lakers may not have ever been sold on Lue in the first place so unless it was on their terms it was never gonna happen... to me it was a good offer, Lue was only interviewing because of Lebron, the Lakers were only talking to him because of Lebron and Lebron is only here for three more years

I actually see this as one of the first positive decisions to come out of the FO in weeks

How could this possibly be spun as a good sign for the front office?

If it’s true that they didn’t truly believe in Lue and weren’t all in, why offer him a contract at all? Why limit the search to just 3 candidates? Why allow your other top target Monty to go off to Phoenix? Why didn’t they reach out to Vogel/Hollins/Woodson before the talks with Lue fell apart?

According to your view, If the front office got what they wanted, they were willing to settle for a coach they didn’t really want, how is that encouraging?

Anyway you paint it, it’s a massive failure by the front office.

If they really wanted Lue but thought he’d settle for a below market deal, there’s a massive failure.

If they didn’t really want Lue but were willing to settle for him for the next 3 years, that’s a massive failure.

If they only offered Lue the job cause of lebron, that’s a massive failure.

If they, as previously reported, were concerned with optics of appearing to be only going after Lue cause of Lebron then only offer him a 3 year deal to align with Lebrons deal, that’s a massive failure.

If, after all things considered, they were ok with only going after Lue cause of Lebron, then just offer him a market value five year deal (look at Luke’s and Monty’s new deal) and fire him after lebron is gone, only thing stopping that is cheapness, so that’s a massive failure.

It's a win because they were effectively bidding against themselves for the services of a guy nobody else has any interest in.

Never said they got what they wanted said they were not willing to go crazy to get what they wanted. 3 years was fine it fit the timeline of Lebron on the Lakers, Lue wanting 5 is just a parachute for him, he knows he's gone when Lebron leaves and was just fishing for a bigger buyout, be stupid to go all in on a guy who just last year was having to take games off because he was having mini nervous breakdowns and more recently was fired just this fall for refusing to develop the young players despite that being the teams number one goal going into training camp.

We don't know they ever made him an offer, from all the news they never got that far that they were still in negotiation and the Lakers realized Lue wanted more than they were willing to give and the negotiations were called off.

As to market value read first part, he has no market value, nobody has gone after him, his name never comes up as a possible coach other than the Lakers.

The rest is just variations on the same theme no need to draw it out. Like I said in my view it's the first positive decision the front office has made in a long time

myersia · Post #564 » by **myersia** » Thu May 9, 2019 7:36 pm

At this point someone needs to come out and make a statement and put a stop to the reports. Pelinka needs to show leadership if this is be role he wants. Make a statement to lakers fan and tell us if this media **** is all bull

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RamonSessions7 · Post #565 » by **RamonSessions7** » Thu May 9, 2019 7:42 pm

myersia wrote:At this point someone needs to come out and make a statement and put a stop to the reports. Pelinka needs to show leadership if this is be role he wants. Make a statement to lakers fan and tell us if this media **** is all bull

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Or since it’s not, just continue going on not saying a thing.

Post #566 » by **Danny Darko** » Thu May 9, 2019 7:43 pm

myersia wrote:At this point someone needs to come out and make a statement and put a stop to the reports. Pelinka needs to show leadership if this is be role he wants. Make a statement to lakers fan and tell us if this media **** is all bull

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Seriously when was the last time a pro sports team with this much going on and this much negative press literally didn't even have a pr person address anything?

machine18 · Post #567 » by **machine18** » Thu May 9, 2019 7:50 pm

gts1 wrote: The rest is just variations on the same theme no need to draw it out. Like I said in my view it's the first positive decision the front office has made in a long time

I admire your positive outlook. Unfortunately when we start hearing more and more about our front office pushing Kidd or Rambis on Lue it seems a lot more like a huge swing and a miss on our end and then scrambling to say they were no longer interested.

And it wasn't like they would have been "going all in" on Lue at 5 years, that's a fairly typical length for an NBA coach.

tamaraw08 · Post #568 » by **tamaraw08** » Thu May 9, 2019 7:52 pm

indilakeshow wrote:
myersia wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26708947/sources-vogel-interview-lakers-job

Who has issues with Vogel? I like him

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He's better suited to be an assistant. His record with Orlando was horrible, Clifford takes over with the same exact team and they're suddenly a playoff team. Guy can't coach offense.

True but please also consider the fact that his core of Gordon, fournier, Vucevic etc missed at least 24 games. He is not a bad option but I don’t think he’s the best alternative either. Some here are suggesting hiring college coaches, for every one Brad Stevens there’s like 10 Fred Hoibergs, Tarkanian, Montgomery, Hamilton etc. Lakers have been very bad for the past 6 years now, do you really want to gamble on an unproven tactician? The ex nba coaches that were mentioned, there’s a reason why they are available mostly because they got fired from their previous gig.

machine18 · Post #569 » by **machine18** » Thu May 9, 2019 7:56 pm

Danny Darko wrote:
myersia wrote:At this point someone needs to come out and make a statement and put a stop to the reports. Pelinka needs to show leadership if this is be role he wants. Make a statement to lakers fan and tell us if this media **** is all bull

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Seriously when was the last time a pro sports team with this much going on and this much negative press literally didn't even have a pr person address anything?

That's what worries me even more, are they all possibly this tone-deaf/oblivious/proud/etc to not even attempt to combat any of this? Is it because logically you would have to address the faux pas of having the Rambis duo involved in the first place and Jeanie just doesn't want to face that music? Or the same thing but with Pelinka?

I'm grasping at straws to try to understand anyone's mindset here, but nothing makes sense.

Sushisensei26 · Post #570 » by **Sushisensei26** » Thu May 9, 2019 8:36 pm

I was never a Lue guy in the first place so I am not entirely heartbroken but what my main gripe is that we are a complete clown show. I can see why they didn't want to give Lue 5 yrs and thought he'd take the 3 because he has no other offers but the way this whole thing has been conducted. Jesus H Christ.

Jeannie is a electric guitar short of James Dolan. It's so so so hard to see this happening to our team. Winning and losing is one thing but just this naked incompetence is just...…………….. it's unacceptable.

So we fired a coach that Lebron and Magic didn't like. Magic is gone. We didn't hire the coach Lebron actually likes. What the hell are we doing?

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Lebron asks to be traded. I think if he hadn't come to LA for his businesses and post playing life he would have asked for a trade already. He's kinda stuck.

Oh and I 100% agree with people saying why would a serious free agent want to be associated with us? A dumbass coach with no other offers didn't even want to be associated with us. Jesus!!! It's just really sad man. Just when you think we can't be more humiliated we outdo ourselves.

I might join some of you guys and just not read or listen to anything Laker related until the season starts. This is hard to see. I've been a fan since childhood and have never seen the team and organization like this. SMH.

TKainZero · Post #571 » by **TKainZero** » Thu May 9, 2019 8:59 pm

This is a total joke

The rambis’ Show is in full effect

WTH is going on

indilakeshow · Post #572 » by **indilakeshow** » Thu May 9, 2019 9:00 pm

tamaraw08 wrote:
indilakeshow wrote:
myersia wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26708947/sources-vogel-interview-lakers-job

Who has issues with Vogel? I like him

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He's better suited to be an assistant. His record with Orlando was horrible, Clifford takes over with the same exact team and they're suddenly a playoff team. Guy can't coach offense.

True but please also consider the fact that his core of Gordon, fournier, Vucevic etc missed at least 24 games. He is not a bad option but I don’t think he’s the best alternative either. Some here are suggesting hiring college coaches, for every one Brad Stevens there’s like 10 Fred Hoibergs, Tarkanian, Montgomery, Hamilton etc. Lakers have been very bad for the past 6 years now, do you really want to gamble on an unproven tactician? The ex nba coaches that were mentioned, there’s a reason why they are available mostly because they got fired from their previous gig.

It's also not nearly as stochastic as you're making it out to be. There is a lot of data on what we can expect to see from potential hires. See for example: https://www.bball-index.com/lakers-coaching-search/

meetbishop · Post #573 » by **meetbishop** » Thu May 9, 2019 9:01 pm

Why is nobody talking about Stan Van Gundy

GopherIt! · Post #574 » by **GopherIt!** » Thu May 9, 2019 9:41 pm

watching Arrested Decelopment and I started envisioning the current lakers FO as the cast.

myersia · Post #575 » by **myersia** » Thu May 9, 2019 9:43 pm

meetbishop wrote:Why is nobody talking about Stan Van Gundy

He’s given no desire to coach anymore

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TylersLakers · Post #576 » by **TylersLakers** » Thu May 9, 2019 10:37 pm

I like Vogel.. as an assistant coach. Nothing more. He would have been the perfect compliment to Ty Lue, who is a really good offensive coach.

We could hire Red Auerbach or John Wooden out of the grave and I wouldn't be comfortable anymore. I have zero faith in Jeanie and the Rambis idiots. They need to do the right thing, get the f*** out of the way and go get Bob Meyers or Masai Ujiri. Period.

TylersLakers · Post #577 » by **TylersLakers** » Thu May 9, 2019 10:40 pm

myersia wrote:
meetbishop wrote:Why is nobody talking about Stan Van Gundy

He’s given no desire to coach anymore

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Incorrect. He said on Zach Lowe's podcast, "I'm an unemployed coach." He's available, same with his brother. Jeff Van Gundy mentioned today that if the Lakers came correct and offered the job to 50 coaches, 50 coaches would accept. There's no way he comes out and says that if he's not personally interested himself.

I would love the Van Gundys. I'd be cool with Ime Udoka, Messina, Jay Wright, Jim Beilein, etc.

I can't believe how big of a f**k up this organization is.

Pythagoras · Post #578 » by **Pythagoras** » Thu May 9, 2019 10:42 pm

TylersLakers wrote:I like Vogel.. as an assistant coach. Nothing more. He would have been the perfect compliment to Ty Lue, who is a really good offensive coach.

We could hire Red Auerbach or John Wooden out of the grave and I wouldn't be comfortable anymore. I have zero faith in Jeanie and the Rambis idiots. They need to do the right thing, get the f*** out of the way and go get Bob Meyers or Masai Ujiri. Period.

Sadly this. I can’t believe how dysfunctional this organization has become.

Post #579 » by **snaquille oatmeal** » Thu May 9, 2019 10:43 pm

Head line over at MNS news "Becky Hammon deserves a shot at coaching....but should avoid the Lakers" lol we suck again!!!

myersia · Post #580 » by **myersia** » Thu May 9, 2019 10:44 pm

TylersLakers wrote:
myersia wrote:
meetbishop wrote:Why is nobody talking about Stan Van Gundy

He’s given no desire to coach anymore

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Incorrect. He said on Zach Lowe's podcast, "I'm an unemployed coach." He's available, same with his brother. Jeff Van Gundy mentioned today that if the Lakers came correct and offered the job to 50 coaches, 50 coaches would accept. There's no way he comes out and says that if he's not personally interested himself.

I would love the Van Gundys. I'd be cool with Ime Udoka, Messina, Jay Wright, Jim Beilein, etc.

I can't believe how big of a f**k up this organization is.

I didn’t know that. Good to hear Stan still wants too

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