Official trade thread/buy-out market 20-21 edition

[kblo247]

Woj said on his pod that the Lakers trade offers have been inclined towards getting off of longer term salary like Kuz & KCP so they can retain Caruso, THT and Schröder in the offseason.

Woj has no insight into the Lakers. He and Ramona lost their access when Magic left out that door.

If shams said it, it is true. If it ain’t shams though, it ain’t relevant. Pincus, Woj, Ramona all throw it at a wall and see what sticks. Hell he’s the same guy who said kcp was going to look for a deal with Atlanta and that Kuz was not coming to terms with an extension before the season. Flash forward and keep never went to Atlanta, he stayed and got a deal. Kuz got his deal before the camp started making him a poison pill.

And oh yeah shams reported Kieff returning before anyone when Woj said he would meeting with the clippers and instead Kieff posted about sharing a joint bank account and running it back. The same way he said Harrell was going to be amenable to a sign and trade from the clippers to the hornets, which was the original plan for them to get a pg, yet Harrell said **** all that and signed with the mle in LA and Shams released the news first from Klutch. Hell shams released the AD max deal and Bron extension first too. We know which way his Klutch and Pelinka bread is buttered.

And just for reference shams announced Dennis for Danny Green and a pick for everyone before it was finalized too ... The pro magic and Clippers run la reporters got pushed the **** out and repost Shams. And funny enough Kuz is mentioned after he said the reporters were political after the last game

There is literally a Shams, Dave McMenamin, and Mike Bresnahan when it comes to lakers access now. Hell Bron, Kuz, AD, and the players call Dave and Mike by first name in press events when they want their questions while everyone else gets The Who asked that look. Pelinka cleaned up them leaky ass holes in his building

[kblo247]

I think I found the deal.

- Trade Morris to the Celtics for a future 2nd. He has the right to veto the trade but I would imagine he’ll accept it because he’ll get a role on a playoff contender

- Lakers trade THT, Wes Matthews, McKinnie to Miami for Avery Bradley, Harkless and a 2020 1st round pick.

Thoughts?

So in your scenario you do this.

Eliminate the starting big who played next to AD the most last playoffs, won you a ring, and has been producing as a starter? And you want him to waive his rights to go to a place his twin brother had no good words about when he left, as if they aren’t so close they share a bank account and even a house at multiple points? I mean he Marcus called the chemistry horrible in Boston and threw blame at stevens on the way out for not managing the locker room with Kyrie and vets. Kieff literally never got to really play before the bubble, went to the bubble behind Dwight and Javale who everyone rave about and was finishing over them by round one and starting over them after that because Vogel showed that much trust in him. Hell frank put him in over Kuz who was averaging 20 in starts without AD and he produced. You should know because Vogel and Kieff know when the rubber hits the road he’s go be the one out there next to AD not Harrel and not Marc.

You want to trade for Mo Harkless who Portland trashed, clippers threw away, knicks let walk, can’t crack a Miami rotation, can’t shoot, can’t score like tht, and can’t defend like Wes?

You want to bring Bradley back when he walked away, he quit on them last year, has been hurt this year, and can’t take a second away from Kuz or KCP or Caruso with nothing he brings now that he is back out of top shape like when he was a clipper? I mean if I’m Miami I take it and run because we know how they develop guys so THT would be hella special there and Wes is cut out for that three and defense style.

But you made the Lakers remarkably worse

[Slava]

Woj said on his pod that the Lakers trade offers have been inclined towards getting off of longer term salary like Kuz & KCP so they can retain Caruso, THT and Schröder in the offseason.

Woj has no insight into the Lakers. He and Ramona lost their access when Magic left out that door.

If shams said it, it is true. If it ain’t shams though, it ain’t relevant. Pincus, Woj, Ramona all throw it at a wall and see what sticks. Hell he’s the same guy who said kcp was going to look for a deal with Atlanta and that Kuz was not coming to terms with an extension before the season. Flash forward and keep never went to Atlanta, he stayed and got a deal. Kuz got his deal before the camp started making him a poison pill.

And oh yeah shams reported Kieff returning before anyone when Woj said he would meeting with the clippers and instead Kieff posted about sharing a joint bank account and running it back. The same way he said Harrell was going to be amenable to a sign and trade from the clippers to the hornets, which was the original plan for them to get a pg, yet Harrell said **** all that and signed with the mle in LA and Shams released the news first from Klutch. Hell shams released the AD max deal and Bron extension first too. We know which way his Klutch and Pelinka bread is buttered.

And just for reference shams announced Dennis for Danny Green and a pick for everyone before it was finalized too ... The pro magic and Clippers run la reporters got pushed the **** out and repost Shams. And funny enough Kuz is mentioned after he said the reporters were political after the last game

There is literally a Shams, Dave McMenamin, and Mike Bresnahan when it comes to lakers access now. Hell Bron, Kuz, AD, and the players call Dave and Mike by first name in press events when they want their questions while everyone else gets The Who asked that look. Pelinka cleaned up them leaky ass holes in his building

There's two sides to every conversation, so Woj's info doesn't even have to come from the Lakers but the teams they talked to. Woj has absolutely no reason to make stuff up for what was really just a small remark, he didn't even go into it.

[Kilroy]

I think I found the deal.

- Trade Morris to the Celtics for a future 2nd. He has the right to veto the trade but I would imagine he’ll accept it because he’ll get a role on a playoff contender

- Lakers trade THT, Wes Matthews, McKinnie to Miami for Avery Bradley, Harkless and a 2020 1st round pick.

Thoughts?

So in your scenario you do this.

Eliminate the starting big who played next to AD the most last playoffs, won you a ring, and has been producing as a starter? And you want him to waive his rights to go to a place his twin brother had no good words about when he left, as if they aren’t so close they share a bank account and even a house at multiple points? I mean he Marcus called the chemistry horrible in Boston and threw blame at stevens on the way out for not managing the locker room with Kyrie and vets. Kieff literally never got to really play before the bubble, went to the bubble behind Dwight and Javale who everyone rave about and was finishing over them by round one and starting over them after that because Vogel showed that much trust in him. Hell frank put him in over Kuz who was averaging 20 in starts without AD and he produced. You should know because Vogel and Kieff know when the rubber hits the road he’s go be the one out there next to AD not Harrel and not Marc.

You want to trade for Mo Harkless who Portland trashed, clippers threw away, knicks let walk, can’t crack a Miami rotation, can’t shoot, can’t score like tht, and can’t defend like Wes?

You want to bring Bradley back when he walked away, he quit on them last year, has been hurt this year, and can’t take a second away from Kuz or KCP or Caruso with nothing he brings now that he is back out of top shape like when he was a clipper? I mean if I’m Miami I take it and run because we know how they develop guys so THT would be hella special there and Wes is cut out for that three and defense style.

But you made the Lakers remarkably worse

...Along with trading THT because "Young Dudes don't win Championships" for a draft pick... THT is playing like a top 5 pick in the last draft right now.
And you like Caruso, but you want to bring in the guy that kept him off the court last season in Bradley...

By the way, if you look at a comparison between Bradley and THT's numbers this season (BasketballReference), you'll find they're basically the same player... THT's actually been quite a bit better defensively but isn't as good a 3pt shooter, although Bradley hasn't really been tearing it up there either...

In addition to all that, Mathews has been quietly, really solid for us... I think he's going to be our 'playoff KCP' this season, if KCP doesn't do it... He's been an active and effective defender and his outside shots are starting to fall. His quick release on 3s is a thing of beauty too... The ball's out of his hands before you even realize he's shooting it.

[tamaraw08]

Extension talks has been dragging on for Schroeder, Dennis mentioned he wants a “fair”deal, if Rob agree with what is fair, it would have been done already. Trade deadline is coming up very shortly. AD’s status still has a lot if question marks. Will Pelinka trade Schroder and fillers for a need like Myles Turner or Valanciunas or the like? Who should the fillers be?

[Kilroy]

Extension talks has been dragging on for Schroeder, Dennis mentioned he wants a “fair”deal, if Rob agree with what is fair, it would have been done already. Trade deadline is coming up very shortly. AD’s status still has a lot if question marks. Will Pelinka trade Schroder and fillers for a need like Myles Turner or Valanciunas or the like? Who should the fillers be?

According to Indiana fans, all our players are trash and they wouldn't trade Myles Turner to us for anyone... So take it for what it's worth... That said, I don't think there's a Turner trade that makes sense... If they really are trying to move Kuz, and he really can be traded this season (I don't think he can), I'd do KCP and Kuz for turner... https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7418108
It seems like a lot but Turner's a rim protecting machine, a big body, and only 24.... Our front court would be set for 5 years easy...

I'd then be looking to move Tez, because I highly doubt he wants to stick to the number he's making long term....

AD's fine... They're just taking their time with him... The pessimist in me also thinks him being out removes a huge argument against giving LeBron the MVP this season, but forget I said that...

I think Schroder's vision of a "fair deal" and the Lakers vision are quite a bit different. I think Schroder is looking to get paid, and figures if we won't do it, maybe he wins a championship or at least has a deep playoff run to add to his asking price in free agency.

The press seems to love him, he's been solid, but he's just not really an ideal fit. I love his quickness especially on D, but I don't trust his handles or his passing instincts... And he's not lighting it up from 3 either... So just based on his age and effectiveness on both ends of the floor, and for the right price, I'd be all for wrapping him up long term... But I have a feeling he wants more than we think he's worth right now, or the deal would be done... And i don't think it's all that close.

[chefy]

I don’t mind getting Lonzo back.

[LAKESHOW]

We gotta go all in on Schroeder. Hes earned his pay, and we need his playmaking

[ROballer]

Extension talks has been dragging on for Schroeder, Dennis mentioned he wants a “fair”deal, if Rob agree with what is fair, it would have been done already. Trade deadline is coming up very shortly. AD’s status still has a lot if question marks. Will Pelinka trade Schroder and fillers for a need like Myles Turner or Valanciunas or the like? Who should the fillers be?

Indiana doesn't need another PG. They don't even know what to do with Brogdon/McConnell because the latter is playing out of his mind, they are playing them together in spurts now because both of them have been so good, you can't punish them by just splitting the PG minutes.
Naming Schroder is ignorant. You can't throw names on the wall and hope they stick, you need to acknowledge the other team's needs as well.

I don't think they're interested in any package we have to offer, but if I'm wrong it's clearly Kuzma/THT.
The only reason they are entertaining getting rid of Turner is because Sabonis is a beast and can easily play the 5 and they have a young'in in Goga Bitadze who is a wasted pick because he can't play while Turner is on the roster.
If Turner is gone, Sabonis will probably start at the 5 and Kuzma at the 4 while TJ Warren is still out. And because Sabonis will also play the 4, a decent chunk of minutes will be available to Goga to finally see what they really have on their hands.

THT is a valuable commodity around the league, there are a few dumb posters here who don't see it(I'm in a good mood today and I'm not gonna use the word 'idiots') but there are plenty of teams who are willing to trade for him and pay him in the summer.

He's a multiple positions guy and Indiana can't rely on Levert who is a injury waiting to happen guy. And even with Levert, their wing depth is suspect at best. Lamb. Holiday and McDermott are all worse than THT.

KC trash has no bearing in any trade talks. He's a dime a dozen guard in this league and has no value for any team in a trade except for salary filling purposes.

But Kuzma/THT gets the job done in this instance.

[Freighttrain]

We gotta go all in on Schroeder. Hes earned his pay, and we need his playmaking

Although I like Schröder on this team, scoring 14.8 ppg on .437 FG% & .316 3P% isn't really great - read bad - as your starting point guard. Come to think of it, that 3P% might even be among the worst guards. I don't see us overpaying for Schröder when the point guard position is the deepest in the league, thus making it easier to upgrade that position.

[kblo247]

We gotta go all in on Schroeder. Hes earned his pay, and we need his playmaking

Although I like Schröder on this team, scoring 14.8 ppg on .437 FG% & .316 3P% isn't really great - read bad - as your starting point guard. Come to think of it, that 3P% might even be among the worst guards. I don't see us overpaying for Schröder when the point guard position is the deepest in the league, thus making it easier to upgrade that position.

What does 5 mil get you? That’s what you have to replace him.

And honestly if your starting point isn’t 18m Dennis should tell you fu because it’s proven they can’t win games without him. That’s his greatest bargaining chip by far, you can’t win without me and you can’t replace me with a tax mle

[tamaraw08]

Extension talks has been dragging on for Schroeder, Dennis mentioned he wants a “fair”deal, if Rob agree with what is fair, it would have been done already. Trade deadline is coming up very shortly. AD’s status still has a lot if question marks. Will Pelinka trade Schroder and fillers for a need like Myles Turner or Valanciunas or the like? Who should the fillers be?

Indiana doesn't need another PG. They don't even know what to do with Brogdon/McConnell because the latter is playing out of his mind, they are playing them together in spurts now because both of them have been so good, you can't punish them by just splitting the PG minutes.
Naming Schroder is ignorant. You can't throw names on the wall and hope they stick, you need to acknowledge the other team's needs as well.

I don't think they're interested in any package we have to offer, but if I'm wrong it's clearly Kuzma/THT.
The only reason they are entertaining getting rid of Turner is because Sabonis is a beast and can easily play the 5 and they have a young'in in Goga Bitadze who is a wasted pick because he can't play while Turner is on the roster.
If Turner is gone, Sabonis will probably start at the 5 and Kuzma at the 4 while TJ Warren is still out. And because Sabonis will also play the 4, a decent chunk of minutes will be available to Goga to finally see what they really have on their hands.

THT is a valuable commodity around the league, there are a few dumb posters here who don't see it(I'm in a good mood today and I'm not gonna use the word 'idiots') but there are plenty of teams who are willing to trade for him and pay him in the summer.

He's a multiple positions guy and Indiana can't rely on Levert who is a injury waiting to happen guy. And even with Levert, their wing depth is suspect at best. Lamb. Holiday and McDermott are all worse than THT.

KC trash has no bearing in any trade talks. He's a dime a dozen guard in this league and has no value for any team in a trade except for salary filling purposes.

But Kuzma/THT gets the job done in this instance.

woah! Easy there buddy, Did I CLEARLY IMPLY that it would be a straight up trade between just 2 teams? GM's get creative by involving 2-5 other teams to make it work. I like TJ too but to declare that he is PLAYING OUT HIS MIND is an exaggeration as he is only averaging under 10 pts the last 10 games.
I like THT too but so does KCP who actually played great for this team the last playoffs. Having Wes and Caruso along with KCP AND THT makes them 4 deep in the SG position.

[tamaraw08]

We gotta go all in on Schroeder. Hes earned his pay, and we need his playmaking

Although I like Schröder on this team, scoring 14.8 ppg on .437 FG% & .316 3P% isn't really great - read bad - as your starting point guard. Come to think of it, that 3P% might even be among the worst guards. I don't see us overpaying for Schröder when the point guard position is the deepest in the league, thus making it easier to upgrade that position.

What does 5 mil get you? That’s what you have to replace him.

And honestly if your starting point isn’t 18m Dennis should tell you fu because it’s proven they can’t win games without him. That’s his greatest bargaining chip by far, you can’t win without me and you can’t replace me with a tax mle

Unfortunately some fans here fail to realize that if Dennis walks in the summer that the Lakers can't just use whatever money they are offering on ANOTHER freeagent.
I'm sorry but simply looking at FG% and 3pt% to assess one's value is a bit of myopic IMO.
Yes, I would have loved to have a PG who can hit 38% from 3 but I would hate that guy to be a lazy defender/Ball Hog like D'Angelo Russell but he would clearly would not fit for this team as Vogel would just bench him.
Lonzo Ball plays defense and hits 38% from 3, ok maybe but do fans here know this guy barely attacks the lanes as he is only taking less than 18% of his shots from 0-3 feet with a FTrate of 0.93%!So what do you think happens when and not IF he goes cold from 3?
Yes Dennis is struggling from 3, but please also note that he plays very good on the ball defense and that he attacks the basket more enough to get a decent 54 TS% with a FTrate of .346, compare that to Eric Bledsoe's 53.5TS%. or in essence, Schroder is scoring almost 15 pts for under 12 shots/game.

[kblo247]

Although I like Schröder on this team, scoring 14.8 ppg on .437 FG% & .316 3P% isn't really great - read bad - as your starting point guard. Come to think of it, that 3P% might even be among the worst guards. I don't see us overpaying for Schröder when the point guard position is the deepest in the league, thus making it easier to upgrade that position.

What does 5 mil get you? That’s what you have to replace him.

And honestly if your starting point isn’t 18m Dennis should tell you fu because it’s proven they can’t win games without him. That’s his greatest bargaining chip by far, you can’t win without me and you can’t replace me with a tax mle

Unfortunately some fans here fail to realize that if Dennis walks in the summer that the Lakers can't just use whatever money they are offering on ANOTHER freeagent.
I'm sorry but simply looking at FG% and 3pt% to assess one's value is a bit of myopic IMO.
Yes, I would have loved to have a PG who can hit 38% from 3 but I would hate that guy to be a lazy defender/Ball Hog like D'Angelo Russell but he would clearly would not fit for this team as Vogel would just bench him.
Lonzo Ball plays defense and hits 38% from 3, ok maybe but do fans here know this guy barely attacks the lanes as he is only taking less than 18% of his shots from 0-3 feet with a FTrate of 0.93%!So what do you think happens when and not IF he goes cold from 3?
Yes Dennis is struggling from 3, but please also note that he plays very good on the ball defense and that he attacks the basket more enough to get a decent 54 TS% with a FTrate of .346, compare that to Eric Bledsoe's 53.5TS%. or in essence, Schroder is scoring almost 15 pts for under 12 shots/game.

Yep it’s pretty much pay him or treat him right and hopes he nice enough to throw you a sign and trade with wherever he goes so you get a TPE back. He doesn’t have to do you that favor though so shopping him or disrespecting him will bite you badly.

I mean realistically we would be stuck with THT and Caruso at the 1. At best case we would have to hope and pray that he allowed you to sign and trade him to a team of his choice for 20 something mil to get a tpe, and then hope Klutch pulls their strings to get Bledsoe directed this way as he’s the most attainable guy I can think of.

Realistically the Lakers would love to pay him starting at 16M but he should say no because it’s no real raise and bad business. His agent should ask for the max, I don’t care what anyone says, his agents job is to start as high as possible and negotiate down, not start at a reasonable number. I would say Dennis should have 21-22 in his head. The front office and him need to meet between 18-19 which is fair market value.

[DNP-Old]

What does 5 mil get you? That’s what you have to replace him.

And honestly if your starting point isn’t 18m Dennis should tell you fu because it’s proven they can’t win games without him. That’s his greatest bargaining chip by far, you can’t win without me and you can’t replace me with a tax mle

Unfortunately some fans here fail to realize that if Dennis walks in the summer that the Lakers can't just use whatever money they are offering on ANOTHER freeagent.
I'm sorry but simply looking at FG% and 3pt% to assess one's value is a bit of myopic IMO.
Yes, I would have loved to have a PG who can hit 38% from 3 but I would hate that guy to be a lazy defender/Ball Hog like D'Angelo Russell but he would clearly would not fit for this team as Vogel would just bench him.
Lonzo Ball plays defense and hits 38% from 3, ok maybe but do fans here know this guy barely attacks the lanes as he is only taking less than 18% of his shots from 0-3 feet with a FTrate of 0.93%!So what do you think happens when and not IF he goes cold from 3?
Yes Dennis is struggling from 3, but please also note that he plays very good on the ball defense and that he attacks the basket more enough to get a decent 54 TS% with a FTrate of .346, compare that to Eric Bledsoe's 53.5TS%. or in essence, Schroder is scoring almost 15 pts for under 12 shots/game.

Yep it’s pretty much pay him or treat him right and hopes he nice enough to throw you a sign and trade with wherever he goes so you get a TPE back. He doesn’t have to do you that favor though so shopping him or disrespecting him will bite you badly.

I mean realistically we would be stuck with THT and Caruso at the 1. At best case we would have to hope and pray that he allowed you to sign and trade him to a team of his choice for 20 something mil to get a tpe, and then hope Klutch pulls their strings to get Bledsoe directed this way as he’s the most attainable guy I can think of.

Realistically the Lakers would love to pay him starting at 16M but he should say no because it’s no real raise and bad business. His agent should ask for the max, I don’t care what anyone says, his agents job is to start as high as possible and negotiate down, not start at a reasonable number. I would say Dennis should have 21-22 in his head. The front office and him need to meet between 18-19 which is fair market value.

One man's "stuck with" is another man's "set at." THT will be better than DS next season. Book it.

[ROballer]

Schroder and THT are currently the only two players on the roster who can create their own shot via dribble penetration.

We don't have a single other guy on the roster who has good enough handles to beat his man off the dribble and get a quality shot.
Kuzma, Matthews, Morris, KCTrash, you name it, all can slash to the rim or shoot set shots if they are spoon fed, but can't get a good shot off if you give them the ball and ask them to do something with it.

Lebron's injury might be a blessing in disguise. THT about to do his thing and forever put his name out of trade talks and fit on this team.

[TylersLakers]

I think I found the deal.

- Trade Morris to the Celtics for a future 2nd. He has the right to veto the trade but I would imagine he’ll accept it because he’ll get a role on a playoff contender

- Lakers trade THT, Wes Matthews, McKinnie to Miami for Avery Bradley, Harkless and a 2020 1st round pick.

Thoughts?

So in your scenario you do this.

Eliminate the starting big who played next to AD the most last playoffs, won you a ring, and has been producing as a starter? And you want him to waive his rights to go to a place his twin brother had no good words about when he left, as if they aren’t so close they share a bank account and even a house at multiple points? I mean he Marcus called the chemistry horrible in Boston and threw blame at stevens on the way out for not managing the locker room with Kyrie and vets. Kieff literally never got to really play before the bubble, went to the bubble behind Dwight and Javale who everyone rave about and was finishing over them by round one and starting over them after that because Vogel showed that much trust in him. Hell frank put him in over Kuz who was averaging 20 in starts without AD and he produced. You should know because Vogel and Kieff know when the rubber hits the road he’s go be the one out there next to AD not Harrel and not Marc.

You want to trade for Mo Harkless who Portland trashed, clippers threw away, knicks let walk, can’t crack a Miami rotation, can’t shoot, can’t score like tht, and can’t defend like Wes?

You want to bring Bradley back when he walked away, he quit on them last year, has been hurt this year, and can’t take a second away from Kuz or KCP or Caruso with nothing he brings now that he is back out of top shape like when he was a clipper? I mean if I’m Miami I take it and run because we know how they develop guys so THT would be hella special there and Wes is cut out for that three and defense style.

But you made the Lakers remarkably worse

...Along with trading THT because "Young Dudes don't win Championships" for a draft pick... THT is playing like a top 5 pick in the last draft right now.
And you like Caruso, but you want to bring in the guy that kept him off the court last season in Bradley...

By the way, if you look at a comparison between Bradley and THT's numbers this season (BasketballReference), you'll find they're basically the same player... THT's actually been quite a bit better defensively but isn't as good a 3pt shooter, although Bradley hasn't really been tearing it up there either...

In addition to all that, Mathews has been quietly, really solid for us... I think he's going to be our 'playoff KCP' this season, if KCP doesn't do it... He's been an active and effective defender and his outside shots are starting to fall. His quick release on 3s is a thing of beauty too... The ball's out of his hands before you even realize he's shooting it.

I feel you and I actually agree with you. To me however the thing that matters in that deal is we move off THT's contract and get an asset back with the 1st round pick. Bradley would be a member of the rotation, but he wouldn't be taking minutes from Caruso.

If we keep THT (which seems very likely with LeBron out), we better be prepared to pay him or explore talks in the off-season for a sign and trade. And I just can't see us paying both Caruso and THT.

To be clear: this has nothing to do with THT as a player. He's going to be really, really good in the future. If the Buss family doesn't care about the luxury tax, this isn't even a question or a debate. But, I imagine they will care. And having two first round picks this off-season and salaries in KCP and Kuzma - that's really good for potential trades.

[TylersLakers]

Also, Wayne Ellington would be another name I'd look it. McKinnie, cash, future second to the Pistons for Ellington? We need some shooting and another wing player who can put the ball in the hoop, especially with LeBron out. And then if we get Drummond on a buy-out, you're looking at:

Schroder/THT
KCP/Caruso/
Kuz/Wes/Ellington/
Morris/Harrell
Drummond/Gasol

And a healthy rotation of:

Schroder, KCP, LeBron, Davis, Drummond
Kuzma, Harrell, Caruso, Wes/Ellington, THT

[kblo247]

Unfortunately some fans here fail to realize that if Dennis walks in the summer that the Lakers can't just use whatever money they are offering on ANOTHER freeagent.
I'm sorry but simply looking at FG% and 3pt% to assess one's value is a bit of myopic IMO.
Yes, I would have loved to have a PG who can hit 38% from 3 but I would hate that guy to be a lazy defender/Ball Hog like D'Angelo Russell but he would clearly would not fit for this team as Vogel would just bench him.
Lonzo Ball plays defense and hits 38% from 3, ok maybe but do fans here know this guy barely attacks the lanes as he is only taking less than 18% of his shots from 0-3 feet with a FTrate of 0.93%!So what do you think happens when and not IF he goes cold from 3?
Yes Dennis is struggling from 3, but please also note that he plays very good on the ball defense and that he attacks the basket more enough to get a decent 54 TS% with a FTrate of .346, compare that to Eric Bledsoe's 53.5TS%. or in essence, Schroder is scoring almost 15 pts for under 12 shots/game.

Yep it’s pretty much pay him or treat him right and hopes he nice enough to throw you a sign and trade with wherever he goes so you get a TPE back. He doesn’t have to do you that favor though so shopping him or disrespecting him will bite you badly.

I mean realistically we would be stuck with THT and Caruso at the 1. At best case we would have to hope and pray that he allowed you to sign and trade him to a team of his choice for 20 something mil to get a tpe, and then hope Klutch pulls their strings to get Bledsoe directed this way as he’s the most attainable guy I can think of.

Realistically the Lakers would love to pay him starting at 16M but he should say no because it’s no real raise and bad business. His agent should ask for the max, I don’t care what anyone says, his agents job is to start as high as possible and negotiate down, not start at a reasonable number. I would say Dennis should have 21-22 in his head. The front office and him need to meet between 18-19 which is fair market value.

One man's "stuck with" is another man's "set at." THT will be better than DS next season. Book it.

In what world?

We may score more off sheer drives and he get some better assist numbers imitating how Rondo plays with the layup package. But THT is the worst shooter on the team. He’s been horrible his college, g league, and nba career from distance so spacing issues won’t get better. And he’s a team defense breakdown waiting to be exploited. Hell watch why he got benched when ad and Bron were available, he was always lost in the team concept, and that could be seen versus Atlanta yesterday too as he didn’t know whether to double, trap, or rotate which got them consistent open looks and him benched in the 4th. Him and Dennis are in two different realms in terms of the end of the court Vogel values.

I don’t see Gilbert Arenas or James Harden or Tracy McGrady emerging in THT; I don’t see transcends the league and becomes a star. I see more Jeremy Lin, hype and flavor of the month

[TyCobb]

Trade Montrezl Harrell and Wesley Matthews to Philly for Tony Bradley, Matisse Thybulle, and Tyrese Maxey.