Official trade thread/buy-out market 20-21 edition

[BEazy]

I think Rob is going to go with win now moves. Doubt he'll try to get young players back, unless teams put them in as fillers.

[Kilroy]

I think Rob is going to go with win now moves. Doubt he'll try to get young players back, unless teams put them in as fillers.

Clearly the future of the team, led by AD, after LeBron is done, is of if not equal, at least extremely high importance to Rob.. It was clearly a focus in the trez and schroder deals... In fact, up until the negotiations slowed and it became clear Schroder isn't the slam-dunk fit everyone thought he'd be, they were still talking about 'the future next to AD' in our signings...

So I doubt dumping our assets for some half season and done ring chasers, is the plan... And if we could get back some emergent youth talent, I'm sure that would be the preference.

[Vae Victus]

How many 10 day contract players can we sign?

I'd go sign Lin for a 10day and see if he has anything left. Team needs a backup playmaker who can shoot 3s and mid Js. I'd go for Augustine as well if he gets bought out by HOU. Team needs to tread water as best as possible until AD and LBJ come back. AD is likely out for 2 more weeks and i'm planning on LBJ to be out 5-6 weeks. The team desperately need facilitators as we were basically 100% reliant on Lebron ball and got away with Shroeder being the only other facilitator.

The reason i'd focus on 10 days is that i dunno if we have the roster spots or cap remaining under the apron to sign vet min pro rated players. The team needs vets who can play now, cant really rely on new outside young guys, and able to cut em with no muss no fuss after 10 days if they dont perform. Someone like Lin is perfect in that he's desperate enough to take a 10day while others will demand a full vet min prorated deal.

[Dr Aki]

Aaron Gordon (who's still 25yo!) has 18.1m and 16.5 mil left on his contract and just demanded a trade to a big market

I know it would kill team depth at this stage, but I would seriously consider Harrell (9.3m) + THT (1.5m, RFA) + salary filler (Wes, Dudley, McKinnie - total 7.0m) to get Gordon

Gordon would play make from the wing position (he does this for Orlando) with a healthy dose of athleticism, especially during this time while Lebron/AD is injured

Obviously, trading 5 for 1 would destroy team depth during this period, and it might necessitate KCP (12.1m) instead to keep a bit more depth for this period. And there's the point that Orlando would probably want more than THT and Harrell as well

[kblo247]

Aaron Gordon (who's still 25yo!) has 18.1m and 16.5 mil left on his contract and just demanded a trade to a big market

I know it would kill team depth at this stage, but I would seriously consider Harrell (9.3m) + THT (1.5m, RFA) + salary filler (Wes, Dudley, McKinnie - total 7.0m) to get Gordon

Gordon would play make from the wing position (he does this for Orlando) with a healthy dose of athleticism, especially during this time while Lebron/AD is injured

Obviously, trading 5 for 1 would destroy team depth during this period, and it might necessitate KCP (12.1m) instead to keep a bit more depth for this period. And there's the point that Orlando would probably want more than THT and Harrell as well

Why would Harrell go to Orlando? He has to agree to it and he should say no unless he hand picks his team.

Gordon doesn’t impress me at all and he’s not a wing. He’s a 4. A 4 who has never really helped his team win. The only constant they have is Vucevic. Everyone else stays hurt or under performing these few years and Vucevic keeps them on the treadmill.

[Dr Aki]

Aaron Gordon (who's still 25yo!) has 18.1m and 16.5 mil left on his contract and just demanded a trade to a big market

I know it would kill team depth at this stage, but I would seriously consider Harrell (9.3m) + THT (1.5m, RFA) + salary filler (Wes, Dudley, McKinnie - total 7.0m) to get Gordon

Gordon would play make from the wing position (he does this for Orlando) with a healthy dose of athleticism, especially during this time while Lebron/AD is injured

Obviously, trading 5 for 1 would destroy team depth during this period, and it might necessitate KCP (12.1m) instead to keep a bit more depth for this period. And there's the point that Orlando would probably want more than THT and Harrell as well

Why would Harrell go to Orlando? He has to agree to it and he should say no unless he hand picks his team.

Gordon doesn’t impress me at all and he’s not a wing. He’s a 4. A 4 who has never really helped his team win. The only constant they have is Vucevic. Everyone else stays hurt or under performing these few years and Vucevic keeps them on the treadmill.

Harrell has no say, he doesn't have a (de facto) no trade clause. That only happened with KCP and Javale McGee the last few seasons because they had signed 1 year contracts/extensions and would in effect lose their (early) Bird rights if they were traded, thus giving them a right of refusal.

That's not the case with Harrell, who signed a 1+1 as a free agent, and thus has no early Bird rights to lose. Harrell's 110% opting out anyway, he'd be getting paid peanuts relative to his production at 10 mil next season and the Lakers may be resigned to losing Harrell because he'd be too rich to afford next off-season. At least in Orlando, they'd have the money to sign him long term in a low income tax state. Either way, the key part of this is Orlando getting THT, who's probably going to make bank in the offseason.

Either way, the Lakers have an extreme lack of playmaking, size and athleticism on the wing at the moment, so even though he's not the ideal wing, he still provides that in a very affordable contract (18.1 mil this season, 16.5 mil next season). He'd cover a lot of holes. Heck he's even shooting 40% from 3pt on the season and is a 37% career 3pt shooter.

I'd make this trade with one eye on the future (and immediate salary cap ramifications), while limping into the playoffs

Gasol/Kieff/Buyout
AD/Gordon
Lebron/Kuz
KCP/Caruso
Schroder/Buyout

[iamworthy]

Players I'm willing to trade

KCP
Wes
Harrell
And Caruso but the piece coming back has to be right

[kblo247]

Aaron Gordon (who's still 25yo!) has 18.1m and 16.5 mil left on his contract and just demanded a trade to a big market

I know it would kill team depth at this stage, but I would seriously consider Harrell (9.3m) + THT (1.5m, RFA) + salary filler (Wes, Dudley, McKinnie - total 7.0m) to get Gordon

Gordon would play make from the wing position (he does this for Orlando) with a healthy dose of athleticism, especially during this time while Lebron/AD is injured

Obviously, trading 5 for 1 would destroy team depth during this period, and it might necessitate KCP (12.1m) instead to keep a bit more depth for this period. And there's the point that Orlando would probably want more than THT and Harrell as well

Why would Harrell go to Orlando? He has to agree to it and he should say no unless he hand picks his team.

Gordon doesn’t impress me at all and he’s not a wing. He’s a 4. A 4 who has never really helped his team win. The only constant they have is Vucevic. Everyone else stays hurt or under performing these few years and Vucevic keeps them on the treadmill.

Harrell has no say, he doesn't have a (de facto) no trade clause. That only happened with KCP and Javale McGee the last few seasons because they had signed 1 year contracts/extensions and would in effect lose their (early) Bird rights if they were traded, thus giving them a right of refusal.

That's not the case with Harrell, who signed a 1+1 as a free agent, and thus has no early Bird rights to lose. Harrell's 110% opting out anyway, he'd be getting paid peanuts relative to his production at 10 mil next season and the Lakers may be resigned to losing Harrell because he'd be too rich to afford next off-season. At least in Orlando, they'd have the money to sign him long term in a low income tax state. Either way, the key part of this is Orlando getting THT, who's probably going to make bank in the offseason.

Either way, the Lakers have an extreme lack of playmaking, size and athleticism on the wing at the moment, so even though he's not the ideal wing, he still provides that in a very affordable contract (18.1 mil this season, 16.5 mil next season). He'd cover a lot of holes. Heck he's even shooting 40% from 3pt on the season and is a 37% career 3pt shooter.

I'd make this trade with one eye on the future (and immediate salary cap ramifications), while limping into the playoffs

Gasol/Kieff/Buyout
AD/Gordon
Lebron/Kuz
KCP/Caruso
Schroder/Buyout

Harrell does have say. It goes back to if he wanted money he would be a Hornet. That’s where the clippers had a sign and trade lined up and were getting their pg. He signed for less to come to the Lakers. He effectively took a 1+1 based off klutch. If he doesn’t want to go he’s not going. Pelinka is not Mitch level stupid and trying to cause himself to be known as a bad GM with no people skills that no one wants to deal with.

I understand you not wanting to lose Trez in the summer and not wanting to pay THT and Caruso and Dennis all at once. I don’t get how Gordon solves anything when he’s a weak defender, hell he was a weak defender for Frank in Orlando. He really can’t defend the 3, 4, or 5 at all. He just is a lob threat but he’s also by far the lowest iq on the team and has been a low iq for years in Orlando.

I mean if it was a talent like Lavine okay. But I just don’t see how you give up THT and Trez for Gordon. Then you also give up 3 more bodies. You have to carry 14 on the roster without talking 2 ways. So you have 9 guys, 2 buyouts make 11, but how are you getting the other 3?

[LAKESHOW]

I actually like Trez. Of course he's expendable, but I like his play when put in the right position with Bron and AD around the basket. He attacks rim. But with the current crop of guys, and without our 2. Hes unrecognizable

[Dr Aki]

Why would Harrell go to Orlando? He has to agree to it and he should say no unless he hand picks his team.

Gordon doesn’t impress me at all and he’s not a wing. He’s a 4. A 4 who has never really helped his team win. The only constant they have is Vucevic. Everyone else stays hurt or under performing these few years and Vucevic keeps them on the treadmill.

Harrell has no say, he doesn't have a (de facto) no trade clause. That only happened with KCP and Javale McGee the last few seasons because they had signed 1 year contracts/extensions and would in effect lose their (early) Bird rights if they were traded, thus giving them a right of refusal.

That's not the case with Harrell, who signed a 1+1 as a free agent, and thus has no early Bird rights to lose. Harrell's 110% opting out anyway, he'd be getting paid peanuts relative to his production at 10 mil next season and the Lakers may be resigned to losing Harrell because he'd be too rich to afford next off-season. At least in Orlando, they'd have the money to sign him long term in a low income tax state. Either way, the key part of this is Orlando getting THT, who's probably going to make bank in the offseason.

Either way, the Lakers have an extreme lack of playmaking, size and athleticism on the wing at the moment, so even though he's not the ideal wing, he still provides that in a very affordable contract (18.1 mil this season, 16.5 mil next season). He'd cover a lot of holes. Heck he's even shooting 40% from 3pt on the season and is a 37% career 3pt shooter.

I'd make this trade with one eye on the future (and immediate salary cap ramifications), while limping into the playoffs

Gasol/Kieff/Buyout
AD/Gordon
Lebron/Kuz
KCP/Caruso
Schroder/Buyout

Harrell does have say. It goes back to if he wanted money he would be a Hornet. That’s where the clippers had a sign and trade lined up and were getting their pg. He signed for less to come to the Lakers. He effectively took a 1+1 based off klutch. If he doesn’t want to go he’s not going. Pelinka is not Mitch level stupid and trying to cause himself to be known as a bad GM with no people skills that no one wants to deal with.

I understand you not wanting to lose Trez in the summer and not wanting to pay THT and Caruso and Dennis all at once. I don’t get how Gordon solves anything when he’s a weak defender, hell he was a weak defender for Frank in Orlando. He really can’t defend the 3, 4, or 5 at all. He just is a lob threat but he’s also by far the lowest iq on the team and has been a low iq for years in Orlando.

I mean if it was a talent like Lavine okay. But I just don’t see how you give up THT and Trez for Gordon. Then you also give up 3 more bodies. You have to carry 14 on the roster without talking 2 ways. So you have 9 guys, 2 buyouts make 11, but how are you getting the other 3?

Gordon's contract is way friendlier (and somehow doable due to how little he makes) than Lavine, who's contract makes it completely impossible.

But yeh, I agree, at the end of the day, the Lakers being hard capped make it nigh impossible to merge (productive) players into a single entity this season.

[DNP-Old]

Yep it’s pretty much pay him or treat him right and hopes he nice enough to throw you a sign and trade with wherever he goes so you get a TPE back. He doesn’t have to do you that favor though so shopping him or disrespecting him will bite you badly.

I mean realistically we would be stuck with THT and Caruso at the 1. At best case we would have to hope and pray that he allowed you to sign and trade him to a team of his choice for 20 something mil to get a tpe, and then hope Klutch pulls their strings to get Bledsoe directed this way as he’s the most attainable guy I can think of.

Realistically the Lakers would love to pay him starting at 16M but he should say no because it’s no real raise and bad business. His agent should ask for the max, I don’t care what anyone says, his agents job is to start as high as possible and negotiate down, not start at a reasonable number. I would say Dennis should have 21-22 in his head. The front office and him need to meet between 18-19 which is fair market value.

One man's "stuck with" is another man's "set at." THT will be better than DS next season. Book it.

In what world?

We may score more off sheer drives and he get some better assist numbers imitating how Rondo plays with the layup package. But THT is the worst shooter on the team. He’s been horrible his college, g league, and nba career from distance so spacing issues won’t get better. And he’s a team defense breakdown waiting to be exploited. Hell watch why he got benched when ad and Bron were available, he was always lost in the team concept, and that could be seen versus Atlanta yesterday too as he didn’t know whether to double, trap, or rotate which got them consistent open looks and him benched in the 4th. Him and Dennis are in two different realms in terms of the end of the court Vogel values.

I don’t see Gilbert Arenas or James Harden or Tracy McGrady emerging in THT; I don’t see transcends the league and becomes a star. I see more Jeremy Lin, hype and flavor of the month

This world. He doesn't have to be as good as Arenas, Harden or McGrady to be better than Schroder. I don't care about his hype. When a see him play, I see all the tools to be a very good NBA player. Couple that with having daily access to James' tutoring, gives me confidence in his development. Schroder is basically a quicker version of Jeremy Lin (without the hype).

[iamworthy]

If we get Drummond that probably means Rob is working the phones trying to trade Harrell and KCP.

[Beethoven]

Here's a crazy offer to entertain:

clips trade Kennard ($4million? this season) + Nic Batum + misc ...for Montrezl

clips get their beloved Montrezl back ( trust me, some of them have been longing for his activity off the bench)

and the Lakers get their 3pt shooting within a better system for those two.
(I love Montrezl too, but at this moment , 3pt shooting is the gravest issue for the Lakers. It affects everything for us, spacing , etc even defense).



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just think about it, Kennard if he thrives within our offense and consistently shoots at a .400 3pt all the way through the playoffs, his new 16 million a year will be WELL WORTH IT.
(Phil Handy and Vogel will have to teach him a thing or two about lateral defensive movement though, and have him go through some weight training to get those quick twitch muscles to par for the new skill).

[iamworthy]

Here's a crazy offer to entertain:

clips trade Kennard ($4million? this season) + Nic Batum + misc ...for Montrezl

clips get their beloved Montrezl back ( trust me, some of them have been longing for his activity off the bench)

and the Lakers get their 3pt shooting within a better system for those two.
(I love Montrezl too, but at this moment , 3pt shooting is the gravest issue for the Lakers. It affects everything for us, spacing , etc even defense).



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just think about it, Kennard if he thrives within our offense and consistently shoots at a .400 3pt all the way through the playoffs, his new 16 million a year will be WELL WORTH IT.
(Phil Handy and Vogel will have to teach him a thing or two about lateral defensive movement though, and have him go through some weight training to get those quick twitch muscles to par for the new skill).

Clippers locker room problems with Trezz is well documented. There's 0% chance they want him back.

[Kilroy]

Trez and Schroder for Beal...

Or KCP/Kuz/Harrell, for Siakam

Or KCP and Harrell for Oladipo

Or KCP/Trez/Kuz for Brogdon...

IDK... Just messing around, although if we get Drummond, we've got a bunch of guys we aren't going to retain next year anyway, so we might as well move them for something we really need.

If we get Drummond, we aren't likely to keep Harrell... And if we trade Harrell for a position of need, it'll be for either a Wing or a combo guard, so we won't need either Schroder, KCP or Kuz... So if there's something out there, we might as well go for it now rather than later... Although I think most of those teams are looking for picks...

[Ball so hard]

THT, the flavor du jour. First it was Caruso and now THT. I would happily ship out either of the two for a Turner caliber player.

[Kilroy]

THT, the flavor du jour. First it was Caruso and now THT. I would happily ship out either of the two for a Turner caliber player.

You think that because you haven't been watching closely... THT is nothing like Caruso if you pay attention... Caruso was a journeyman hero who worked on his game and his relatively limited skills until he became a valuable role playing asset to a championship team...

THT is a second year player with untapped talents that's showing the poise of a Vet... He's also a guy LeBron told Rich Paul to recruit out of high school... THT is way more talented than Caruso and 7 years younger. Right now he's playing like a lottery pick in most drafts. Easily top 5 last draft...

Despite the size and maybe the hype, they're really quite different... IMO you trade Caruso if you have to, because he's probably given you all his going to, and needs to get paid... You try like hell to keep THT if you can, because he's already in the rotation and is maybe a season away from being a solid starter on a good team. He could be the perfect 'Point Guard' to play next to LeBron given that Lebron does that a lot of the time.

[Beethoven]

KCP is being discussed for trades I heard. I wouldnt be surprised if he was gone by Thursday. I dont believe he will change gears once playoffs come. But I would not be surprised if he turns into a flamethrower for the team he goes to.

Caruso is not really helping us this year as well. I think his run with the Lakers although respectable, has plateaued.

[slifersd]

I don't think THT is off the table at all for discussion purposes, nor should he be. He is a nice young player with upside. We all know that. But if giving him up can land us someone higher caliber, like a Myles Turner, then I don't see why we wouldn't at least consider it.

[Freighttrain]

I don't like the amount of players we seem to be throwing into the trade machine. Continuity is something undervalued. Caruso & KCP have shown they can rise when the lights shine the brightest. They are both valuable pieces on this roster and only for a significant upgrade could they be tradable. But those names mentioned here, on the RealGM forum or by analysts make zero sense. A minor upgrade for an unproven player in the playoffs? No thanks. Unless we could get Beal, Lowry or Oladipo type players, I don't even pick up the phone. At the end of the day, we'll face Brooklyn with 3 legitimate superstars. The only way we can win is by having the advantage of our familiarity with each other or having that possible third 'star' to combat their 3 stars. Trading for anything else is just a risk not worth taking. We'll probably finish around the 8th position by the time both LBJ & AD are back. We could even get the play-in game for all I care at the 9th or 10th position. If we have the same players I'm confident we'll make it. However, trying to create chemistry with x amount of new players at such a late point in the season will cost us this season and ruin our championship dream.