Official Transaction Ideas thread

[Penberthy]

What would a Dwight package look like?

[Jetset]

Just a something I found interesting. Take out Gasol's awful performance yesterday and think about this with a level head. Some articles (and posters around this site) think that for us to get Howard we'd have to give up Bynum and Gasol. So I ask you, if the only way Orlando trades us Howard is for us to give up Drew and Pau do you do it?

Penberthy to answer your question a Howard package would probably contain Bynum, Odom, filler, 2-3 future 1sts and throw in some 2nd rounders as well.

[The_Trade_Seer]

We could get d12 at next year's ta for Bynum, Caracter, Ebanks, picks and cash ... we'd also need to take back Q-Tip ... that would get it done.

[Jetset]

......It will take a lot more than that to get Howard smh

[The_Trade_Seer]

Nope.

[The_Trade_Seer]

Interesting to note is that the Raptors are absolutely bent on adding a starting center so that Bargani can move to PF ... Colangelo even said he would consider trading his top pick which should be #3 or so.

I can see the Raptors accepting a Calderon/Barbosa/Amir Johnson / #1 pick for Pau and Walton ... would you take that deal? I would definitely consider it as it improves the PG slot, gives us a solid backup SG, a nice young PF and a top pick to use on a Derrick Williams.

The Raps may want Bynum even more as he is more of a true C and is young and fits with their future guys like DeRozan, JJ, Ed Davis, etc ... perhaps we could work a 3 team trade with the Raps and Magic to get Dwight if the Magic really don't want Drew.

Something like the following might work:

LAKERS TRADE: Bynum and Pau
LAKERS RECEIVE: D12, Ed Davis, Jose Calderon and Barbosa

MAGIC TRADE: Dwight, Duhon and Q-Tip
MAGIC RECEIVE: Raps #1 Pick, Gasol and Ebanks

RAPS TRADE: #1 Pick, Calderon, Davis and Barbosa
RAPS RECEIVE: Bynum, Duhon, Q-Tip

I do think the Magic would get the most value if they traded Dwight before the draft but I think they will hold onto him until the trade deadline and therefore be forced to take Bynum and filler as there won't be any better offers on the table and D12 will say he'll only sign an extension with the Lakers.

[Jetset]

Your ideas are predicated off the notion that Dwight says he'll only accept a trade to the Lakers. What if he doesn't say that, or what if Orlando's F.O. is actually as daffy as the posters on the Magic board and let him walk during F.A.?

[Jetset]

Well this is more deserving of being in the NBA Draft topic, I figured I'd just post it here since that thread keeps dying.


As you all know this year's draft is looking to be somewhat of a downer compared to what it could've been if all these players declared instead of returning to school. But nonetheless there's still talent to be had with these 2nd round draft picks. Here are what I think to be the best players in the 2nd round according to position that could be had by a trading up or just simply drafting them. The players after the slashes are substitutes that should be considered if the first player is already taken off the board.

PG: Shelvin Mack /Darius Morris, Ben Hansborough, Norris Cole, Antoine Diot
SG: David Lighty /Marshon Brooks
SF: DeAndre Liggins /Scotty Hopson, Xavi Rabaseda
PF: Matthew Bryan-Amaning /Malcolm Thomas, Jamie Skeen
C: Keith Benson /Nikola Vucevic

Analysis Time:
PG:
Mack: We all know about Mack from his NCAA tourney play so there's really no need to get into details about him. Great size for the PG position, good body control, excellent shooter. Combo-guard.

Morris: Has great size and length (6'4"), solid athleticism and first step. He's been compared to Tyreke Evans with his aggressiveness and ability to overpower his defender.

Hansborough: Prolific from stroking it deep. Amazing 3pt shooter, decent athleticism, great court vision and timing of passes.

Cole: Average length. Not overly athletic but has enough of a first step to be effective. Not much is known about how he'll project to the NBA because he didn't play NBA prospects in College, but despite that glaring issue Cole dominated his division in his Senior year averaging 22/5. Doug Gottlieb has coined him the best PG in the draft not named Kyrie Irving.

Diot: International player. Great range on his shot with quick and high release, able to slash and finish at the rim effectively and has great court vision and ball handling skills.

SG:

Lighty: Solid speed, quickness, strength, works tirelessly on the defensive end, savvy passer and is good contributing in catch and shoot situations. Has been quicker after recovering from a torn ACL.

Brooks: Possesses a smooth offensive game, shows great ability to create shots and score. Not an elite athletic prospect but has a respectable first step and rangy stride and shows great ability to slash his way to the paint.

SF:

Liggins: The prospect I want the most of the bunch. Killer 3pt shooter and defender. He's not really great shooter or creator but those are things he can work on. He can play all positions 1-3 but he'd be better as a SF imho. Some have favorable opinions on him such as a poor man's Iguodala.

Hopson: Benefits from his quick first step and body control to attack the rim. He seems to rely too much on his athleticism because of his lack of skill. Not really a good shooter.

Rabaseda: International player. Nice height for the position (6'7"), quick first step, good body control, and an excellent ball handler for someone his size. Great shooter as well.

PF:

Bryan-Amaning: Possesses elite athleticism and explosiveness from the PF position. Has developed a back to the post game but it isn't exactly refined. Has also worked on adding a jump shot to his arsenal. Needs to drastically work on defense but definitely shows promise.

Thomas: Has a 7'2" wingspan that allows him to play taller than he's listed (6'8"). Solid passer, able to beat slow defenders to the rim and has a solid hook shot. Shows promise on the defensive end. Able to play SF/PF.

Skeen: Plays with smooth range and shows excellent touch from the perimeter. Just an average rebounder, lacks lateral quickness. Must work on post fundamentals.

C:

Benson: Defensive Player of the Year and Player of the Year in his conference. Possesses exceptional size (6'11") fluidity, great wingspan and has good timing and touch around the rim. Really instinctive on the defensive side getting blocks and rebounds. More of a finesse player. He lacks lower body strength and needs to add muscle to reach his full potential.

Vucevic: Good shooter from mid-range and developing somewhat of a 3pt shot. Starting to show comfort handling the ball on drives. Prone to being pushed around when in the paint, his length is what helps him contest shots. Able to play PF/C.

There are plenty more prospects but these were all I had time to go in and discuss on.

[Jajwanda]

Perhaps you pull a three way trade for Chris Paul in the off-season. Gasol out, Paul in.

I can only imagine what the team could do if they could get decent backup big men. Maybe a Walton for Gooden trade and then sign Marcus Camby with the MLE. Draft another big man in the draft by trading a couple of 2nds in combo.

PG- Paul, Blake
SG- Bryant, Brown
SF- Artest, Barnes
PF- Odom, Gooden
C- Bynum, Camby

The starting lineup with Paul and the flexibility to post up provided by Odom changes the entire dynamic of the team. They could be sensational defensively and Chris Paul would provide something of a revival for Kobe Bryant. That team takes another two titles.

[The_Trade_Seer]

Your ideas are predicated off the notion that Dwight says he'll only accept a trade to the Lakers. What if he doesn't say that,

No, you're missing the point. Dwight doesn't have a no-trade clause and would have to go wherever the Magic ship him so it isn't about that. However because Dwight's contract is up after next year he can say he will only sign an extension with the Lakers and therefore limit where he is traded ... the Carmelo situation was identical.

or what if Orlando's F.O. is actually as daffy as the posters on the Magic board and let him walk during F.A.?

They simply can't be that dumb, not after what Shaq did to them.

[The_Trade_Seer]

Perhaps you pull a three way trade for Chris Paul in the off-season. Gasol out, Paul in.

It's possible but not likely. I would see it as a three team trade deadline deal with the Magic and Dwight involved, landing us both CP3 and D12 ... dreaming is fun isn't it

Anyways, this is how such a dream could go down:

LAKERS TRADE: Bynum, Gasol and first and second round picks
LAKERS RECEIVE: D12, CP3, Duhon and Q-Tip
WHY: D12 and CP3, duh!

MAGIC TRADE: Dwight, Earl Clark, Duhon and Q-Tip
MAGIC RECEIVE: Gasol, Okefor and tons of picks
WHY: If they are going to lose D12 anyways, dumping the bad contracts of Duhon and Q-Tip and adding Gasol, Okefor and a ton of future picks is a good haul. The Magic may actually improve in the short term and would have a veteran lead team with a win now mentality.

HORNETS TRADE: CP3, Okefor and second round picks
HORNETS RECEIVE: Bynum and Earl Clark
WHY: If they are going to lose CP3 anyways, dumping the contract of Okefor and adding Bynum and Clark is a nice haul.

[Jetset]

Your ideas are predicated off the notion that Dwight says he'll only accept a trade to the Lakers. What if he doesn't say that,

No, you're missing the point. Dwight doesn't have a no-trade clause and would have to go wherever the Magic ship him so it isn't about that. However because Dwight's contract is up after next year he can say he will only sign an extension with the Lakers and therefore limit where he is traded ... the Carmelo situation was identical.

or what if Orlando's F.O. is actually as daffy as the posters on the Magic board and let him walk during F.A.?

They simply can't be that dumb, not after what Shaq did to them.

I know. I understand that but what I'm saying is what if Howard hasn't limited himself to only our team? What if he truly is interested in going to Brooklyn then what? Your trade scenarios where you seem blatantly trying to rip off the Magic then won't work. The Lakers would will need to come up with a stronger package than what you posted if they have a shot at Howard. Bynum, Ebanks and picks isn't enough.

[Doormatt]

You guys have to remember that no team in rebuilding mode wants gasol, he's 30 years old. It's unfortunate NY traded the house to get melo, because a gasol/brown for Douglas/Chandler/Gallo trade would have been epic. Doubt Denver wants gasol either. Maybe nene/Felton for gasol? Prolly not.

Gasols value really isn't high, our best bet is to get more depth in exchange.

[Jetset]

I wouldn't say it's impossible to trade Gasol but it would be extremely difficult to pull off. It would have to take the perfect situation to execute it but I could see a team like Milwaukee, Golden State, or even Toronto willing to trade for him. Milwaukee with a Gasol/Bogut front court would be outstanding and pretty much guarantee them a playoff spot. Golden State could use a big man to pair with Biedrins and I could see Gasol fitting in there as well. Toronto with a Bargnani/Gasol front court would be stupid weak but I could just see Toronto being interested if it became known Gasol was on the trade block.

Of course with the way Pau's been playing as of late it would difficult to convince these teams to bite on his enormous contract.

[rugby-hook]

These trades give laker fans a bad name. Gasol is not moving and nor should he. He has a rough game after the refs let landry bully the situation. In the next round, Gasol will star against Dallas or Portland. The WCF will be interesting with Gasol playing ibaka or Duncan. It is insane to think that LA can get both Paul and Howard.

[Jetset]

These trades give laker fans a bad name. Gasol is not moving and nor should he. He has a rough game after the refs let landry bully the situation. In the next round, Gasol will star against Dallas or Portland. The WCF will be interesting with Gasol playing ibaka or Duncan. It is insane to think that LA can get both Paul and Howard.

I agree Gasol shouldn't be moved but I'm confused as to how anything I've posted may contribute to giving Laker fans a bad name. While they're far from likely, like I stated they're also not outlandish either (maybe Toronto). That is if you were referring to me..........if you were talking about AI-IN-L.A. then where have you been lately? Thats all he posts, funny thing is he actually believes what he posts.

[Jajwanda]

Delonte West and Chauncey Billups are two players the Lakers have to look at during the off-season. West especially is someone whose post game is just so damn underrated. He clears the area, faces up or backs down elevates and hits his shots so efficiently. With shooters and Odom on the floor he could be a big time beneficial player off the bench at PG if Blake becomes the starter soon. Not only that but he can switch with Blake if the opposing PG is a tough match-up. I think West is going to really bother Mike Bibby and Mario Chalmers with his game in a Miami-Boston series.

Another possibility with a Knicks player would be Ronny Turiaf+Toney Douglass. Both have struggled against Boston in this series but they are valuable reserves. New York will probably decline Billups and would love to have a good 11.5m to throw at a guy like Marc Gasol or another true big man, perhaps an Emeka Okafor to solidify the middle for them. I think a trade of the TPE, Ebanks, Caracter and perhaps a couple Laker 2nds could land a quick PG who outside of this series has shown good defensive play and bring back a crowd favorite who can hit shots and block shots. Then the Lakers would be able to spend the MLE on adding a veteran SG rather than Shannon Brown and have an overall deeper bench.

[Doormatt]

I think Felton is going to be avaialable, and really is our best option. Lakers have no need for an injury prone and poor attitude player in west. We already have artest and barnes.

I really like ebanks, and if the lakers move on artest, or barnes doesn't resign, he'll play good back up minutes next year. Same with caracter.

[Jajwanda]

I think Barnes is staying and Artest is hard to get rid of. Felton I have no idea how they would acquire. I think Douglass could be a good fit with his shot, his ability to create a shot, and his combo guard mentality. Just a really good fit and perhaps Turiaf sticks around this time as the 4th big man.

[The_Trade_Seer]

I know. I understand that but what I'm saying is what if Howard hasn't limited himself to only our team? What if he truly is interested in going to Brooklyn then what? Your trade scenarios where you seem blatantly trying to rip off the Magic then won't work. The Lakers would will need to come up with a stronger package than what you posted if they have a shot at Howard. Bynum, Ebanks and picks isn't enough.

Brooklyn? You must be joking. I could see Dwight signing with the Knicks or accepting a trade there (though they will have even less to offer the Magic than the Lakers will), but the Nets? Wow. I don't think so.