Kawhi on draft day...?

[MachoMan]

Cyberx on Clutchfans.....

Had a real good conversation with a league insider.

Lakers are prepared to offer Ingram and some (no word exactly, I would imagine Randle, BI, Cavs pick, Hart)

Then bring in Lebron and Paul George as free agents.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php?threads/sources-lakers-plan-this-summer-trade-for-kawhi-sign-bron-pg.289511/

I would guess there is a very low probability there is substance to the claim?

Then there was the quote from Nate Robinson published today...

From what I heard, from a little birdie, what I heard that the reason why he doesn’t, not that he doesn’t want to play, is that he doesn’t want to be in San Antonio no more, is because that I heard a big bag was coming. But if he doesn’t leave San Antonio that bag is not coming.

Robinson added California is Leonard’s desired destination:

Believe you me, he definitely wants to be somewhere especially like being at home.

https://thebiglead.com/2018/04/03/nate-robinson-heard-kawhi-leonard-doesnt-want-to-be-in-san-antonio-wants-closer-to-home/

[Edrees]

woudln't wanna do it unless I know more about how Kawhi is sitting out so long from this injury. If he can be 2016 kawhi to me it's worth it, especially considering we drop deng in that deal.

but not knowing what he'll be or his deal it's too big of a risk.

[JohnVancouver]

what the hell does "a big bag comin" mean?

[MachoMan]

what the hell does "a big bag comin" mean?

I also was wondering about what he was referring to with that line. Maybe a shoe contract or endorsement deal?

[larry14r]

Kawhi is both an MVP and DOPY candidate. Can’t stress that enough. Portland doesn’t have anybody like that. The closest comparison would be Lebron (in the past) or Anthony Davis (now).

No player by himself can win anything. But you look at the common denominator. The team with the best players win. Again and again. Surefire hall of famers. Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Lebron, etc. there’s a reason why they win multiple championships, while everybody else loses.

If you start thinking, “well, we can’t get Kevin Durant, but we’ll get Paul George” you already lost the championship. George needs to be your 2nd or even 3rd best player.

Well, “Durant is getting older,” doesn’t mean anything either. So much elite young talent right now. Anthony Davis just turned 25 a few weeks ago. Embiid 24. Giannis 23. Towns 22. Simmons 21. And every other year, the league gets some exceptional talent.



If we can’t get Kawhi or Anthony Davis, then we need to pivot and keep tanking all the way until we get the very best talent, or our own guys take a very big jump.

Re-signing Randle, Lopez, etc...sorry that’s not going to win you anything. Getting Kawhi with capspace is everything, because these guys themselves know it better than anybody else, which is why top players have been jumping ship to team up.

We anit tanking again.

[milesfides]

Why not? Trust the process. See Sam Hinkie and the 76ers. Embiid, Simmons, Fultz, Saric are absolutely the best young core in the league, and aside from Embiid's extension that kicks in next season, all of them are on rookie contracts. They can offer max contracts to any superstar for the next 2-3 seasons. If you can't sign top free agents (we haven't been able to for a very long time) or trade for them (we haven't since six years ago in Dwight Howard), then you need to do it through the draft. Tank - and tank hard, all the way.

[milesfides]

All signs are pointing to Kawhi wanting out...not really a medical issue, since he's been cleared already, and the conflict with his teammates are showing that this is a strong sign of a player flexing his way out of town.

I said this before - good on him for controlling his own destiny. Not all roads lead to Pop's Spurs.

Get Kawhi, then George will come. Forget Lebron, his defense has slipped, too old, and our wings are set with Kawhi and George.

Lonzo has locked down point, and Kuzma's our stretch four.

Center is the only gap in our roster, and we should use the remaining capspace to sign Derrick Favors, then give New Orleans a standing offer of George+Favors+pick for Anthony Davis. Then sign Klay (to replace George) next summer.

[ISayshowmee]

Lakers with all that cap room, giving up young assets like Ingram is not a smart move.

[Kilroy]

I'd have a tough time giving up just Ingram for Kawhi honestly... But Ingram and Randle and presumably one of our firsts, would be super tough to deal with. Kawhi's amazing and everything, but Ingram has Kawhi potential right now... And Randle's 23 and already one of the top Bigs in the league...
I hope that doesn't happen tbh...

[TheHartBreakKid]

Randle's inclusion would merely mean that it's a sign and trade (and would require Randle signing off on it).....so that doesn't seem likely to me.


Ingram/Cavs pick/future first is probably the offer. Kawahi has an 18m contract IIRC so we'll be eating up around 11m of that to our cap in such a trade, taking our capspace down to 59 (if we stretch Deng), 70 (if we trade Deng instead of stretching him) and 48m if we keep Deng. That's obviously still enough money for Kawahi and probably Julius as well, but Lebron is probably out of the picture unless we trade Deng which would be even tougher to do if we are giving up the cavs pick and maybe another pick to the Spurs.





The one really good thing about Kawahi would be that he really wouldn't be out of position playing the 2 while PG and Ingram would be......the FO better have a damn good idea of his health before pulling the trigger on this though....assuming the rumors are true and it's something that's even being considered.



If Kawahi doesn't come back 100%, a situation where Ingram is better than Kawahi next year isn't all that far fetched......then you consider the 11m in cap we gave up and any another assets, AND their age difference, and this could easily end up looking like a bad move unless we have a healthy Kawhi.



On a more positive note, getting Kawhi on draft night would mean that PG's odds of coming are higher.....and the Kawahi PG and Lonzo defense on the perimeter is pretty scary to think about.

[Dr Aki]

i can't give up ingram or lonzo man

everyone else, i'm down

[Showtime:Part2]

I’m not understanding something. If Kwahi says he only wants to go home to la, why not wait a year and sign him instead of trading Ingram? If he doesn’t expressly say la only, then why take the risk of him leaving after a year when we have to give up Ingram? Wasn’t this the same situation w pg

[MachoMan]

I’m not understanding something. If Kwahi says he only wants to go home to la, why not wait a year and sign him instead of trading Ingram? If he doesn’t expressly say la only, then why take the risk of him leaving after a year when we have to give up Ingram? Wasn’t this the same situation w pg

if the ultimate goal is to sign PG-13 and Lebron, then there will be no cap space to spend.....he would have to be acquired via trade.

[MachoMan]

i can't give up ingram or lonzo man

everyone else, i'm down

the odds of Ingram or Ball ever becoming impactful as Kawhi is extremely low.

[larry14r]

i can't give up ingram or lonzo man

everyone else, i'm down

the odds of Ingram or Ball ever becoming impactful as Kawhi is extremely low.

So is us beating GSW or Hou. Plus Kawhi can leave us high a dry next year if he opts out. Also the Spurs want Ingram in any because they have a young guard to develop they don't need Ball, and also LeBron wants Ball here too since he fond of his play. Also we have say good bye to Randle too because we won't have money to re-sign him either.

[MachoMan]

i can't give up ingram or lonzo man

everyone else, i'm down

the odds of Ingram or Ball ever becoming impactful as Kawhi is extremely low.

So is us beating GSW or Hou. Plus Kawhi can leave us high a dry next year if he opts out. Also the Spurs want Ingram in any because they have a young guard to develop they don't need Ball, and also LeBron wants Ball here too since he fond of his play. Also we have say good bye to Randle too because we won't have money to re-sign him either.

Lakers or any team seeking Kawhi would likely do their due diligence before moving assets for him...so if LA traded for him, I think they would have confidence he planned on resigning. I responded to the Ball part in "Ideal Offseason" thread. In regards to Randle, if Deng could be moved in package with assets to acquire Kawhi, there are possibilities that allow us to maintain his cap hold.

[LAKESHOW]

I've always said give Ingram some time. His game will grow. And it has, tremendously. That mid range is startin to hit consistently. His length defensively is devastating with several examples I don't wanna go over. His long range is Poppin as well. And we all know his driving ability. I would give up anything for a big time player. But I do not wanna give up Brandon Ingram. This guy is startin to feel himself, and when he gains full confidence, he will literally shoot over all competition with his game.

[milesfides]

Nobody is disputing that Ingram will improve or is already a solid player in many ways.

MVP and DPOY? No. There's no evidence whatsoever that he's going to get on that level, because then you're making baseless claims that he's the next Lebron, Kevin Durant...

or Kawhi Leonard.

[LAKESHOW]

Miles, you mention KD and Bron. Then throw Kawhis name in that mix. But your basing that on what? He hasn't played all year. Dudes injured. Damaged goods. Ingram is young and I'll take him over damaged goods. You say he's NOT really hurt? But that he's disgruntled and quit on his team? I'll take Ingram over that as well.

[larry14r]

Nobody is disputing that Ingram will improve or is already a solid player in many ways.

MVP and DPOY? No. There's no evidence whatsoever that he's going to get on that level, because then you're making baseless claims that he's the next Lebron, Kevin Durant...

or Kawhi Leonard.

This is why no one listens to you, and like I told you before if he is damaged goods, and Pop turns Ingram into a monster. Then you're toast.