Official trade thread/buy-out market 20-21 edition

[Lakers24gm]

Lakers Trade
Kyle Kuzma
Quinn Cook
Javale McGee
28th pick

Pistons Trade
Tony Snell
Luke Kennard

Lakers get some better shooters to put around Bron and AD. Pistons bring Kuzma home and get Lakers first.

[Kobe System]

1) Danny green, #28, CASH, and kuz for bogs (from SAC) and #12 (draft Aaron Nesmith)

2) Try our luck with Kcp (s&t) and cook for oladipo, if his value is that low. Bargain... Risk<<<<< reward

3) if houston is desperate to cut costs.... Avery bradley and mcgee for covington. Also addresses their need for a center, while being able save 6+ million (if they release bradley)

Side note.... I like Donte DiVincenzo. Could get be had for kuz?

All of these proposals will be declined rather quickly.

[tamaraw08]

OMG, hard no on Oladipo. He is the modern day Carmelo Anthony. He is not a great defender(post injury), not a great passer, under 5 assists, not a great rebounder, doesn't go to the FT line enough. We fans most of the time remember his clutch shots at Indiana but it's not like very efficient there anyway. 5 of 7 years, he has failed to hit above 36% from 3 pt area, hit just under 32% last year. Career 53.6 TS% compare that to Bradley who shot 53.7 last season with much better defense and the Lakers won without him in the bubble.
btw, you can find pretty much everything from youtube including Danny Green and KCP's defensive highlights.

The highlights were to show people his abilities, he was 1st team all defense. He has only just come back from injury and he will be better next season. It's unlikely indiana trades him anyway as his value is low right now but it won't be mid-season.

Oladipo is one of the nicest, most hard working, team first dudes out there in the league. His injury is the only big question. If fit, he makes us pretty heavy favorites to repeat.

Awesome elite defender and playmaker. This guy's a genuine elite 2 way wing - an extremely rare commodity in the the NBA.

If we can get him without sacrificing Caruso, Rondo & Bradley(sadly gotta use Green's salary), I'd personally say it's a fare gamble for a chance to pretty much lock in the chip next year.

P.S. - I'd rate him over Kyrie(at any point in his career), pre 2018 Harden

That is the biggest question mark, IF FIT bec he has only played a total of 55 games out of 155 possible games and he shot horribly from 3 last season at under 32%.
Very hard to compare Kyrie from Victor bec they don't have similar skill sets. Victor IF FIT, plays great defense but he is NOT A GOOD 3pt shooter therefore can be a problem in terms of stretching the floor.
His CAREER TS% of 53.6% was matched by Avery Bradley's 53.7% last season, compared that to Kyrie's career 57.2TS%, last season he hit 59.5%. Good 3pt shooters are simply more efficient like Curry who has a career 62.3TS% unless they can manufacture points from the 3pt line like Harden who has a career 60.5%, Victor only goes to the line 3.8 per game.
If the Lakers lose 2 of KCP,Bradley and Caruso, then yes, a fit Oladipo would be good, I would rather retain the current players.
With that said, Lakers can surely use a playmaker/shooter off the bench. I heard Dallas wants Green to pair with Doncic, getting Seth Curry and his CAREER 61 TS% would be nice IMO.

[zimpy27]

Rumours on other boards point to Clippers targeting this team for next season:

CP3, DeRozan, Kawhi, Morris, Wiseman
Lou, Shamet, McGruder, Green, Harrell

Essentially moving Beverley, PG13, Zubac for CP3, DeRozan, Wiseman

I think that team is quite a bit better. I think it's a better organization of players to compete next 2 seasons.

Do Lakers fit well against this team?

[snaquille oatmeal]

We have to keep in mind with all these sign and trade ideas that the Lakers are aiming for the most cap room possible when Giannis is a free agent.
Not saying we will get Giannis just saying that is the plan.

Why would that be the plan?
Compromise the ability to build the best team possible next season for the slim chance Giannis take a pay cut to join the Lakers in 2021.

Seems like it shouldn't be the plan.

I was ready for a big rebuttal but ran across this that expresses my thoughts even better than I would

Watch on YouTube

[zimpy27]

We have to keep in mind with all these sign and trade ideas that the Lakers are aiming for the most cap room possible when Giannis is a free agent.
Not saying we will get Giannis just saying that is the plan.

Why would that be the plan?
Compromise the ability to build the best team possible next season for the slim chance Giannis take a pay cut to join the Lakers in 2021.

Seems like it shouldn't be the plan.

I was ready for a big rebuttal but ran across this that expresses my thoughts even better than I would

Watch on YouTube

So effectively they are choosing to compromise the very best team next season in order to keep open space in 2021.

It won't be Giannis, they don't have enough. Who else would they target instead? What's a young player? Younger than AD I assume?

Oladipo, Lonzo, Dinwiddie, Fox, Kennard, Collins, White

Who else is a young player to add in free agency?

[Slava]

Rumours on other boards point to Clippers targeting this team for next season:

CP3, DeRozan, Kawhi, Morris, Wiseman
Lou, Shamet, McGruder, Green, Harrell

Essentially moving Beverley, PG13, Zubac for CP3, DeRozan, Wiseman

I think that team is quite a bit better. I think it's a better organization of players to compete next 2 seasons.

Do Lakers fit well against this team?

That team is comfortably worse than what they have now. I don't presume Kawhi would be fine with the team bedding in Wiseman in what looks like late prime years for him. Derozan needs the ball in his hands to be moderately effective and he won't be getting that with CP3 who likes full control of an offense on top of Kawhi. Then you add in the durability issues of both Chris Paul and Kawhi and they are essentially back to where they were as a plucky underdog before Kawhi and PG got there.

Lakers, Golden State, Denver are all better than that team and they'd be in the next tier with Utah, Houston, Portland and whatever OKC have left.

[Slava]

Why would that be the plan?
Compromise the ability to build the best team possible next season for the slim chance Giannis take a pay cut to join the Lakers in 2021.

Seems like it shouldn't be the plan.

I was ready for a big rebuttal but ran across this that expresses my thoughts even better than I would

Watch on YouTube

So effectively they are choosing to compromise the very best team next season in order to keep open space in 2021.

It won't be Giannis, they don't have enough. Who else would they target instead? What's a young player? Younger than AD I assume?

Oladipo, Lonzo, Dinwiddie, Fox, Kennard, Collins, White

Who else is a young player to add in free agency?

The number of free agents taking a one year deal to play on a contender in a squeezed out cap year is going to be huge. Lakers can comfortably fill the roster when they have the recruiting power of LeBron and AD from minute 1 of free agency without sacrificing long term flexibility. Then it depends on what LeBron wants to do, stack up rings or wanting to have the max salary year after year. Either way, if he is a max player at 37 or 38, Lakers will still be contenders and don't have to look elsewhere for that second star.

[snaquille oatmeal]

Rumours on other boards point to Clippers targeting this team for next season:

CP3, DeRozan, Kawhi, Morris, Wiseman
Lou, Shamet, McGruder, Green, Harrell

Essentially moving Beverley, PG13, Zubac for CP3, DeRozan, Wiseman

I think that team is quite a bit better. I think it's a better organization of players to compete next 2 seasons.

Do Lakers fit well against this team?

That team is comfortably worse than what they have now. I don't presume Kawhi would be fine with the team bedding in Wiseman in what looks like late prime years for him. Derozan needs the ball in his hands to be moderately effective and he won't be getting that with CP3 who likes full control of an offense on top of Kawhi. Then you add in the durability issues of both Chris Paul and Kawhi and they are essentially back to where they were as a plucky underdog before Kawhi and PG got there.

Lakers, Golden State, Denver are all better than that team and they'd be in the next tier with Utah, Houston, Portland and whatever OKC have left.

to zimpy
Not sure why I have to clarify that “a young player” automatically means not Chris Paul’s old a$$.

[zimpy27]

Rumours on other boards point to Clippers targeting this team for next season:

CP3, DeRozan, Kawhi, Morris, Wiseman
Lou, Shamet, McGruder, Green, Harrell

Essentially moving Beverley, PG13, Zubac for CP3, DeRozan, Wiseman

I think that team is quite a bit better. I think it's a better organization of players to compete next 2 seasons.

Do Lakers fit well against this team?

That team is comfortably worse than what they have now. I don't presume Kawhi would be fine with the team bedding in Wiseman in what looks like late prime years for him. Derozan needs the ball in his hands to be moderately effective and he won't be getting that with CP3 who likes full control of an offense on top of Kawhi. Then you add in the durability issues of both Chris Paul and Kawhi and they are essentially back to where they were as a plucky underdog before Kawhi and PG got there.

Lakers, Golden State, Denver are all better than that team and they'd be in the next tier with Utah, Houston, Portland and whatever OKC have left.

to zimpy
Not sure why I have to clarify that “a young player” automatically means not Chris Paul’s old a$$.

Don't understand what this in reference to

[lazybatman]

Rumours on other boards point to Clippers targeting this team for next season:

CP3, DeRozan, Kawhi, Morris, Wiseman
Lou, Shamet, McGruder, Green, Harrell

Essentially moving Beverley, PG13, Zubac for CP3, DeRozan, Wiseman

I think that team is quite a bit better. I think it's a better organization of players to compete next 2 seasons.

Do Lakers fit well against this team?

CP3 as your only PG is a huge gamble cos of his health. DeRozan's Lebron's b*tch.

Can we get Zuby back from them for Dwight and Javale.

[snaquille oatmeal]

That team is comfortably worse than what they have now. I don't presume Kawhi would be fine with the team bedding in Wiseman in what looks like late prime years for him. Derozan needs the ball in his hands to be moderately effective and he won't be getting that with CP3 who likes full control of an offense on top of Kawhi. Then you add in the durability issues of both Chris Paul and Kawhi and they are essentially back to where they were as a plucky underdog before Kawhi and PG got there.

Lakers, Golden State, Denver are all better than that team and they'd be in the next tier with Utah, Houston, Portland and whatever OKC have left.

to zimpy
Not sure why I have to clarify that “a young player” automatically means not Chris Paul’s old a$$.

Don't understand what this in reference to

You were asking what young guys are the Lakers trying to sign as per Pelinka’s quote on the video and you listed some of the younger guys, but to me it was obvious in the quote that Rob was talking about not signing anybody that is as old as CP3 to pair up with Davis in the not so distant future.

...anybody as long as they are not pass 33 years old I suppose

[zimpy27]

to zimpy
Not sure why I have to clarify that “a young player” automatically means not Chris Paul’s old a$$.

Don't understand what this in reference to

You were asking what young guys are the Lakers trying to sign as per Pelinka’s quote on the video and you listed some of the younger guys, but to me it was obvious in the quote that Rob was talking about not signing anybody that is as old as CP3 to pair up with Davis in the not so distant future.

...anybody as long as they are not pass 33 years old I suppose

Oh ok, so I interpreted young because they want that player to continue with AD beyond LeBron.

It makes me think that KCP, Kuzma, Caruso, THT are unlikely to be traded. Unless packaged with a guy like Green for a better young player.

[snaquille oatmeal]

Don't understand what this in reference to

You were asking what young guys are the Lakers trying to sign as per Pelinka’s quote on the video and you listed some of the younger guys, but to me it was obvious in the quote that Rob was talking about not signing anybody that is as old as CP3 to pair up with Davis in the not so distant future.

...anybody as long as they are not pass 33 years old I suppose

Oh ok, so I interpreted young because they want that player to continue with AD beyond LeBron.

It makes me think that KCP, Kuzma, Caruso, THT are unlikely to be traded. Unless packaged with a guy like Green for a better young player.

They do want a player to go beyond Lebron with Davis, but it doesn’t have to be somebody coming off his rookie deal.

[zimpy27]

You were asking what young guys are the Lakers trying to sign as per Pelinka’s quote on the video and you listed some of the younger guys, but to me it was obvious in the quote that Rob was talking about not signing anybody that is as old as CP3 to pair up with Davis in the not so distant future.

...anybody as long as they are not pass 33 years old I suppose

Oh ok, so I interpreted young because they want that player to continue with AD beyond LeBron.

It makes me think that KCP, Kuzma, Caruso, THT are unlikely to be traded. Unless packaged with a guy like Green for a better young player.

They do want a player to go beyond Lebron with Davis, but it doesn’t have to be somebody coming off his rookie deal.

Potentially but who else other than the guys that I mentioned (and Giannis) would they target in 2021 free agency?

I couldn't really see any other prospects that can be a strong player for next 5 years (1 year until free agency and 4 there after)

[BEazy]

I think Pelinka is going to try to get Oladipo. He has the perfect contract for us and he also is young. I would try to trade DG and 28th pick and a filler for him.

[zimpy27]

I think Pelinka is going to try to get Oladipo. He has the perfect contract for us and he also is young. I would try to trade DG and 28th pick and a filler for him.

Yeah Green, Kuzma, pick 28 for Oladipo has rumoured to be in play for a while now. Not sure if Pacers take it but is probably the best offer they get.

[BEazy]

I think Pelinka is going to try to get Oladipo. He has the perfect contract for us and he also is young. I would try to trade DG and 28th pick and a filler for him.

Yeah Oladipo, Kuzma, pick 28 for Oladipo has rumoured to be in play for a while now. Not sure if Pacers take it but is probably the best offer they get.

We'd have to include DG to make contracts match. Kuz and 28th pick won't get it done. Unless there's a 3rd team involved.

I would try to give them DG, 28th, and Cook for Oladipo. Hopefully the league approves Deng's contract to get off our books. That way we can pay Dwight, KCP, and Rondo.

[zimpy27]

I think Pelinka is going to try to get Oladipo. He has the perfect contract for us and he also is young. I would try to trade DG and 28th pick and a filler for him.

Yeah Oladipo, Kuzma, pick 28 for Oladipo has rumoured to be in play for a while now. Not sure if Pacers take it but is probably the best offer they get.

We'd have to include DG to make contracts match. Kuz and 28th pick won't get it done. Unless there's a 3rd team involved.

I would try to give them DG, 28th, and Cook for Oladipo. Hopefully the league approves Deng's contract to get off our books. That way we can pay Dwight, KCP, and Rondo.

Oops it was a typo. I was meant to say "Yeah Green, Kuzma, pick 28 for Oladipo has been rumoured to be in play for a while now."


It comes down to what Indy wants to do, I think it will be there best offer. They need to decide if they want one year of Oladipo or 5 years of Kuzma and pick 28.

[Spens1]

If Green + Kuz + 28 for Dipo is on the table we should take it, no offense to Kuzma but he is probably never going to be the third star (at least on the lakers) that a guy like Oladipo will be. A 2nd ring is far more important than potentially what Kuzma may be in 4-5 years time, especially if he's still got the same bad habits he has now. He may end up being a Julius Randle type player (which is a good player but not neccesarily one that you want to be your main piece in a winning situation).